I'm telling ya - at this point in time MP count becomes as relevant as MHz count. In fact when I'll be buying my next camera I'll be asking how fast the autofocus is, what the shutter lag is, how much noise does it get in ISO 1600 and many other questions and whether it has 9mp or 12 will be the last of my worries.
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F717 vs new Olympus DSLR
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Stephen Waits
Senior Member
No way - while it's getting closer to prosumer, it's still got a long way to go. Sorry, but prosumer is at around US$1000. Very Very serious amateurs and seasoned Professionals are buying the current DSLRs. Some prosumers may make the leap, but that's the exception rather than the norm.
Sony's got prosumer cornered with the F7X7 IMO.
--Steve
Stephen Waits
Senior Member
Vapor doesn't compare to anything..
Jimmy Chen
Senior Member
Even tho I like to see Canon and Nikon do that, but currently I highly doubt it as their whole basis of their existing D-SLR narketing is their ability to push existing 35mm lenses onto users. The last thing those users wants to hear is a major switch from the mfg'er and they now must buy a whole new line of lenses for the next Canon or Nikon.
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jc
F707 w/ Nikon 5T/6T
http://www.reefkeepers.org/gallery/f707
http://www.reeftec.com/gallery
Jimmy Chen
Senior Member
Ahh, who knows, I guess that all depends on how deep those mfg'ers want us to dig into our pockets, right? ;p
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jc
F707 w/ Nikon 5T/6T
http://www.reefkeepers.org/gallery/f707
http://www.reeftec.com/gallery
True. But what are the gonna say and do if their users will start defecting in droves to the more affordable alternatives?
Jimmy Chen
Senior Member
But that is just it, if you only have a few hundred spent on lenses, you may, but if you have thousands invested in existing 35mm lenses, you arent going to defect.
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jc
F707 w/ Nikon 5T/6T
http://www.reefkeepers.org/gallery/f707
http://www.reeftec.com/gallery
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Ulysses
Guest
Okay, I'll keep biting. 
Before we beg your questions, I'll beg another: What 12MP sensor?
Ulysses
Before we beg your questions, I'll beg another: What 12MP sensor?
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Ulysses
I'm no expert in SLRs, so correct me if I'm wrong but I had an impression that only a few, say Nikon, lenses are truly compatible with their DSLRs, so in switch to digital some losses are inevitable no matter what's the sensor size.
Jimmy Chen
Senior Member
Come on man, this is info from an article you shared with the forum ... ;pBefore we beg your questions, I'll beg another: What 12MP sensor?
http://www.steves-digicams.com/smp/08042002.html
"A competing development is that Canon is rumored to be working on a 24x36mm 12-mp CMOS sensor slated for a future EOS-1D evolution."
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jc
F707 w/ Nikon 5T/6T
http://www.reefkeepers.org/gallery/f707
http://www.reeftec.com/gallery
Jim K53618
Senior Member
Well I don't mind throwing my two pixels in here. First of all let me make it clear that I own a 707 and E20, and also Nikons and Canons. I do have my favorites, but brand loyalty has nothing to do with it : )
Ok here goes. I realize that many are excited and looking forward to the Olydak, and I hope it's a smashing success! I really do! I just don't think it will fly, at least not for very long. It sounds like a great idea, but it's been done before. Minolta tried something simular with the RDxxxx. The RD3000 even had dual sensors! The body was borrowed from their Advantx line, and used the advantx lenses. It produced too much noise, and the lenses were too slow. Kodak tried it with the Pronea body, DCS330 and it was designed around the advantx lens line too. Much like the whole advantx film line these to failed to ever take off. I hope this time around Oly has better luck with it, and kodak has better luck with Oly. Even if it works out to be good and the quality is there, it's still going to be priced around $2000 body only. How many lenses can Oly have ready by launch, three, four? They will be competing with the D60, and D100, not to mention the S2, and by then the SD9. Why should people buy in to a completely new lens line that could become obsolete in a year or two? It's ging to be a hard sale!
I would have preferred to see Oly use their time and resources improving their Exx camera! All they need to do is increase the buffer, and write speed, increase the shutter speed to at least 1/1000 in Interlace, reduce the noise and increase the ISO, and they wouldn't be able to keep up with the orders even if it cost $2000! There are just way too many advantages to the Exx camera to ignor! Thanks to it's beam splitter it can deliver a true optical view finder AND a LCD monitor just as true as the sony 707 in manual mode! Never mind the Olydak, worry more about the E30!!!
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Jimmy Chen
Senior Member
I think the issue is more of how good of a quality existing lenses will produce with existing D-SLRs. Since they are all APS size or smaller, the better lenses still can be used to produce good quality images w/o lost at the edges.
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jc
F707 w/ Nikon 5T/6T
http://www.reefkeepers.org/gallery/f707
http://www.reeftec.com/gallery
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Donald Cooper
Guest
Meaty rumors? At least this guy has a web site in English. If I remember you were getting your info from a Chinese poster of unclear origins. Bah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ...... (I'll grant you the poster turned out to be right )
So yeah, it seems fair.
On a serious side, changing the design parameters frequently yields great results. You can cut costs by 90% if you design pumping systems around pipes rather around pumps. You can get really interesting cars if you design around the wheels rather than the engine. http://www.hypercar.com So you might get really interesting cameras if you design around the sensor rather than the lens.
And that said, I've had SLRs, I don't want any more, with or without a D. Give me a single zoom lens!
)So yeah, it seems fair.
On a serious side, changing the design parameters frequently yields great results. You can cut costs by 90% if you design pumping systems around pipes rather around pumps. You can get really interesting cars if you design around the wheels rather than the engine. http://www.hypercar.com So you might get really interesting cameras if you design around the sensor rather than the lens.
And that said, I've had SLRs, I don't want any more, with or without a D. Give me a single zoom lens!
Fair how? hahahah...
Olympus hasn't made an announcement, and we don't even have any
meaty rumors to sharpen our teeth upon.
All Oly has said is: "just you guys wait. Boy oh boy are we gonna
have some news. It's gonna be big, so don't buy anything else yet.
It's gonna be big, I'm tellin' ya."
Hahahahahahahahah
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Ulysses
That's exactly what I meant. Won't you incur some losses as many of you trusty expensive lenses become essentially unusable?
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Ulysses
Guest
I remember the article, guy.
What I'm saying is that we have nothing to substantiate it.
Do you have evidence besides that article I found?
Ulysses
What I'm saying is that we have nothing to substantiate it.
Do you have evidence besides that article I found?
--Before we beg your questions, I'll beg another: What 12MP sensor?
Ulysses
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Ulysses
Guest
When you dig up your Chinese poster of the Olydak, then we'll talk.
For now, we've got maybe two lines of specs on it?)
And we don't know about those even. I just have no idea what we're comparing here other than lots of specs on the F717 and no specs on the Olydak D-SLR that they might announce for the year 2004.
I'd start looking for Chinese websites on it, if I were you guys. The Chinese know everything. Them and the Australians.
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Ulysses
For now, we've got maybe two lines of specs on it?
)And we don't know about those even. I just have no idea what we're comparing here other than lots of specs on the F717 and no specs on the Olydak D-SLR that they might announce for the year 2004.
I'd start looking for Chinese websites on it, if I were you guys. The Chinese know everything. Them and the Australians.
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Ulysses
A.D
Forum Enthusiast
Olydak is bound to generate some interest for obvious reasons but lets be practical here. Nobody knows when it will enter production, this photokina may just show a prototype model. Oly is depending heavily on 3rd party manufacturers to come forward and produce lenses for the format but that will depend on the success of the format. I'd say it's a risky business investing into a system like this which might get obsolete even before it's introduced.
I'm looking forward to canon instead. Canon is determined to introduce dslrs to the prosumer market as early as they can and we may expect them to bring down the price to $1500 level early next year and eventually to the $1000 level in a not so distant future as might appear. With the excellent lens lineup and accessories available along with the best of 3rd party support I can't imagine how can Olydak compete if it's not substantially cheaper or excellent in photographic quality
I'm looking forward to canon instead. Canon is determined to introduce dslrs to the prosumer market as early as they can and we may expect them to bring down the price to $1500 level early next year and eventually to the $1000 level in a not so distant future as might appear. With the excellent lens lineup and accessories available along with the best of 3rd party support I can't imagine how can Olydak compete if it's not substantially cheaper or excellent in photographic quality
A.D
Forum Enthusiast
I've read so many conflicting rumours in this respect.....
Canon is definitely replacing the 1D so it will be the top of the line aimed at pro and will come with a matching price tag. It's certainly going to be full frame with minimum 6mp but probably more than that. Perhaps it still uses a CCD
Hubert Tse
Forum Enthusiast
Why do you think that it is only fair to compare F707 with the upcoming Olympus DSLR? What are the rationales behind your statement?
I do not have a F707 but common sense tells me that I cannot fairly compare it with something like D60. They are totally two different ponds of fish.
Regards,
KW Tse
BryanS
Senior Member
I think Olympus is being silly designing a whole system around a sensor size limitation that will likely be very temporary. And will lens manufacturers make lenses for it? I highly doubt it.
What will be the quality of these lenses, and who will be willing to invest in an Edsel?
It really reminds me of these cameras, which now sell on Ebay for a small fraction of their original value... and just try to find film for them:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1374655944
Check on Ebay in a couple of years for these dSLRs. You'll be able to get one for a song, and maybe a whole bunch of lenses, too.
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BryanS
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