high ISO on a sunny day = lost detail??? (5d & mk III)

[José B]

http://mtblog.self.com/beauty/blogs/selfstylesecrets/03.MOB.style.preview.lo.html

and please do share your findings!! i can't wait to see them!!

=D

NM, I have this upcoming shoot and the location might not be ideal as
the background is not so interesting. It's time to bring the Beast
and shoot at ISO 800-1250 and maybe at f/8-f/11 but still throw off
the background. I also want a gritty look to it and at the same token
extend the flash range.

Thanks buddy.

Joji

--
Feeling it from downtown with the well-endowed FiftyDee, the 2Marks
and hitting the quadrupLe-doubLe
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/portraiture_5dmkii
http://www.modelmayhem.com/joji2020

--
http://www.zionpublish.com/photography/

--

Feeling it from downtown with the well-endowed FiftyDee, the 2Marks and hitting the quadrupLe-doubLe
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/portraiture_5dmkii
http://www.modelmayhem.com/joji2020

 

[Newspaper Man]

i like that photo jB!!

amazing clarity and details!!! and i really love how this photo turned out to be so attractive!!!

thanks for sharing!!!

\;-7

http://mtblog.self.com/beauty/blogs/selfstylesecrets/03.MOB.style.preview.lo.html

and please do share your findings!! i can't wait to see them!!

=D

NM, I have this upcoming shoot and the location might not be ideal as
the background is not so interesting. It's time to bring the Beast
and shoot at ISO 800-1250 and maybe at f/8-f/11 but still throw off
the background. I also want a gritty look to it and at the same token
extend the flash range.

Thanks buddy.

Joji

--
Feeling it from downtown with the well-endowed FiftyDee, the 2Marks
and hitting the quadrupLe-doubLe
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/portraiture_5dmkii
http://www.modelmayhem.com/joji2020

--
http://www.zionpublish.com/photography/

--
Feeling it from downtown with the well-endowed FiftyDee, the 2Marks
and hitting the quadrupLe-doubLe
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/portraiture_5dmkii
http://www.modelmayhem.com/joji2020

--
http://www.zionpublish.com/photography/

 

[José B]

beautiful shoes and simple lighting.

We got to shoot in a diner.

Cheers,

Joji

amazing clarity and details!!! and i really love how this photo
turned out to be so attractive!!!

thanks for sharing!!!

\;-7

http://mtblog.self.com/beauty/blogs/selfstylesecrets/03.MOB.style.preview.lo.html

and please do share your findings!! i can't wait to see them!!

=D

NM, I have this upcoming shoot and the location might not be ideal as
the background is not so interesting. It's time to bring the Beast
and shoot at ISO 800-1250 and maybe at f/8-f/11 but still throw off
the background. I also want a gritty look to it and at the same token
extend the flash range.

Thanks buddy.

Joji

--
Feeling it from downtown with the well-endowed FiftyDee, the 2Marks
and hitting the quadrupLe-doubLe
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/portraiture_5dmkii
http://www.modelmayhem.com/joji2020

--
http://www.zionpublish.com/photography/

--
Feeling it from downtown with the well-endowed FiftyDee, the 2Marks
and hitting the quadrupLe-doubLe
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/portraiture_5dmkii
http://www.modelmayhem.com/joji2020

--
http://www.zionpublish.com/photography/

--

Feeling it from downtown with the well-endowed FiftyDee, the 2Marks and hitting the quadrupLe-doubLe
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/portraiture_5dmkii
http://www.modelmayhem.com/joji2020

 

[natureman]

i have to admit i'm a little confused by this all.

if you need the iso to get a fast shutter to totally freeze things it
might get you more detail, but otherwise i'm really not sure how this
makes sense

hi bronxbombers,

first let me stress out... i just want to share my findings (i'm in
no way the athority to this ISO settings)... most pro photogs will
recomend low ISO on a sunny day shoot...

LOW ISO sample

this is a good good example of what i want to avoid, this is the
fresh from the card image @ ISO 100:



this is the enhanced/edited version... i created three (3) layers to
create this finish product...



HIGH ISO sample

now let's check the actual image when i begun to switch to HIGH ISO

these are straight from the card jpg images... you'll see the faces
are more detailed (i'm not talking about super sharp) here... now
it's easier for me to edit and enhance without any layers...





really, i want high ISO (under sunny day shoots) not for stopping the
action... but for easier and faster processing of images...

and i just want to share that... using HIGH ISO under sunny day
shoots will really NOT lose details...

thanks for sharing your excellent images!!! love them and very
detailed and sharp!!

can post the actual full view (fit to screen)?? thanks!

=D

You still don't get it. Take a photography course that focuses on exposure and the relationship between ISO, f-stop, and shutter speed, and how ISO choice affects DR, noise, and details. Learning how to use fill flash, your camera's light meter, and more about post processing would also be a good idea.

 

[photo_genie]

You still don't get it. Take a photography course that focuses on
exposure and the relationship between ISO, f-stop, and shutter speed,
and how ISO choice affects DR, noise, and details. Learning how to
use fill flash, your camera's light meter, and more about post
processing would also be a good idea.

LOL!!! Natureman, I thought you "WERE" a highly intelectual man, BUT I was wrong!

The OP is only sharing his preferred setup. He knows how to shoot!

Do we blast you that you love you 35mm than you 1Ds Mark III? NO!

He's not the best photographer around, BUT his images are far better than yours for sure! Your images are actually so newbie!!

Why so gourchy!?

xoxo

 

[natureman]

You still don't get it. Take a photography course that focuses on
exposure and the relationship between ISO, f-stop, and shutter speed,
and how ISO choice affects DR, noise, and details. Learning how to
use fill flash, your camera's light meter, and more about post
processing would also be a good idea.

LOL!!! Natureman, I thought you "WERE" a highly intelectual man, BUT
I was wrong!

The OP is only sharing his preferred setup. He knows how to shoot!

Do we blast you that you love you 35mm than you 1Ds Mark III? NO!

He's not the best photographer around, BUT his images are far better
than yours for sure! Your images are actually so newbie!!

Why so gourchy!?

xoxo

The OP is doing more than sharing his preferred setup. He's making comments that are misleading and wrong.

Can you show me where I've said I love my 35mm more than my 1Ds Mark III?

How would you know what my images look like? Can you show me some of them?

By the way, I don't have a 1Ds Mark III.

Oh, and one more thing. You might want to be careful when telling someone else that they're not "intelectual", when your own spelling/grammar needs work. Just sayin'.

 

[photo_genie]

Again, the OP is ONLY sharing his setup with very good results!

R-E-S-U-L-T-S

Actual RESULTS!

I'm not here to defend the OP! Enough about the OP.

It's you being so rude and grouchy.

Why so rude and so grouchy!?

And nice try about your images and your 1Ds Mark III. Most of us here knows who you really are.

Better luck next time. Mr. ????

=x

xoxo

You still don't get it. Take a photography course that focuses on
exposure and the relationship between ISO, f-stop, and shutter speed,
and how ISO choice affects DR, noise, and details. Learning how to
use fill flash, your camera's light meter, and more about post
processing would also be a good idea.

LOL!!! Natureman, I thought you "WERE" a highly intelectual man, BUT
I was wrong!

The OP is only sharing his preferred setup. He knows how to shoot!

Do we blast you that you love you 35mm than you 1Ds Mark III? NO!

He's not the best photographer around, BUT his images are far better
than yours for sure! Your images are actually so newbie!!

Why so gourchy!?

xoxo

The OP is doing more than sharing his preferred setup. He's making
comments that are misleading and wrong.

Can you show me where I've said I love my 35mm more than my 1Ds Mark
III?

How would you know what my images look like? Can you show me some of
them?

By the way, I don't have a 1Ds Mark III.

 

[Newspaper Man]

totally agree... at the end of the day, nobody really cares about what SS, A, ISO, etc...

it's the impact of the final product and originality that counts...

the clients really don't care about how i setup my camera...

thanks!!

\;-7

--
http://www.zionpublish.com/photography/

 

[Newspaper Man]

really lovely jB!!!

and... if we can't get a permit...

it's a job for the small lens to shoot inside!

\;-7

We got to shoot in a diner.

Cheers,

Joji

amazing clarity and details!!! and i really love how this photo
turned out to be so attractive!!!

thanks for sharing!!!

\;-7

http://mtblog.self.com/beauty/blogs/selfstylesecrets/03.MOB.style.preview.lo.html

and please do share your findings!! i can't wait to see them!!

=D

NM, I have this upcoming shoot and the location might not be ideal as
the background is not so interesting. It's time to bring the Beast
and shoot at ISO 800-1250 and maybe at f/8-f/11 but still throw off
the background. I also want a gritty look to it and at the same token
extend the flash range.

Thanks buddy.

Joji

--
Feeling it from downtown with the well-endowed FiftyDee, the 2Marks
and hitting the quadrupLe-doubLe
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/portraiture_5dmkii
http://www.modelmayhem.com/joji2020

--
http://www.zionpublish.com/photography/

--
Feeling it from downtown with the well-endowed FiftyDee, the 2Marks
and hitting the quadrupLe-doubLe
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/portraiture_5dmkii
http://www.modelmayhem.com/joji2020

--
http://www.zionpublish.com/photography/

--
Feeling it from downtown with the well-endowed FiftyDee, the 2Marks
and hitting the quadrupLe-doubLe
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/portraiture_5dmkii
http://www.modelmayhem.com/joji2020

--
http://www.zionpublish.com/photography/

 

[natureman]

Again, the OP is ONLY sharing his setup with very good results!

R-E-S-U-L-T-S

Actual RESULTS!

Yeah, but what kind of results, and what about the misleading and confused way to achieve them?

I'm not here to defend the OP! Enough about the OP.

It's you being so rude and grouchy.

Why so rude and so grouchy!?

Me, rude and grouchy? Imposserous! LOL

Why aren't you jumping on the people who attack me just for the fun of it, like you?

And nice try about your images and your 1Ds Mark III. Most of us here
knows who you really are.

Really? You don't have a clue.

Better luck next time. Mr. ????

Why the question marks? I thought you said you and "most of us here" know who I am.

=x

xoxo

You still don't get it. Take a photography course that focuses on
exposure and the relationship between ISO, f-stop, and shutter speed,
and how ISO choice affects DR, noise, and details. Learning how to
use fill flash, your camera's light meter, and more about post
processing would also be a good idea.

LOL!!! Natureman, I thought you "WERE" a highly intelectual man, BUT
I was wrong!

The OP is only sharing his preferred setup. He knows how to shoot!

Do we blast you that you love you 35mm than you 1Ds Mark III? NO!

He's not the best photographer around, BUT his images are far better
than yours for sure! Your images are actually so newbie!!

Why so gourchy!?

xoxo

The OP is doing more than sharing his preferred setup. He's making
comments that are misleading and wrong.

Can you show me where I've said I love my 35mm more than my 1Ds Mark
III?

How would you know what my images look like? Can you show me some of
them?

By the way, I don't have a 1Ds Mark III.

--

 

[José B]

Like you said models (clients) don't give a hoot what aperture/ISO you used to get the shot. The technical aspects that they care about is sharpness of the image and if they like the expression. More importantly they care about when you are going to process their pictures and give it to them.

Have a nice weekend!

Joji

totally agree... at the end of the day, nobody really cares about
what SS, A, ISO, etc...

it's the impact of the final product and originality that counts...

the clients really don't care about how i setup my camera...

thanks!!

\;-7

--
http://www.zionpublish.com/photography/

--

Feeling it from downtown with the well-endowed FiftyDee, the 2Marks and hitting the quadrupLe-doubLe
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/portraiture_5dmkii
http://www.modelmayhem.com/joji2020

 

[natureman]

Like you said models (clients) don't give a hoot what aperture/ISO
you used to get the shot. The technical aspects that they care about
is sharpness of the image and if they like the expression. More
importantly they care about when you are going to process their
pictures and give it to them.

Have a nice weekend!

Joji

First, models aren't "clients" unless they're paying you to take pictures of them. Do your models pay you, or do you pay them? If you pay them, you are their client.

Second, if all the models are concerned about is sharpness and their expression, you might as well just use a point and shoot and set it on full automatic.

Some "clients" may not know ISO or aperture from a lugnut, but they usually do expect high quality pictures and figure that the photographer should know which settings to use to get them.

totally agree... at the end of the day, nobody really cares about
what SS, A, ISO, etc...

it's the impact of the final product and originality that counts...

the clients really don't care about how i setup my camera...

thanks!!

\;-7

--
http://www.zionpublish.com/photography/

--
Feeling it from downtown with the well-endowed FiftyDee, the 2Marks
and hitting the quadrupLe-doubLe
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/portraiture_5dmkii
http://www.modelmayhem.com/joji2020

 

[José B]

Like you said models (clients) don't give a hoot what aperture/ISO
you used to get the shot. The technical aspects that they care about
is sharpness of the image and if they like the expression. More
importantly they care about when you are going to process their
pictures and give it to them.

Have a nice weekend!

Joji

First, models aren't "clients" unless they're paying you to take
pictures of them. Do your models pay you, or do you pay them? If you
pay them, you are their client.

No I don't pay them. Sometimes I get paid by them and a lot of times it is a barter: TFDVD.

Second, if all the models are concerned about is sharpness and their
expression, you might as well just use a point and shoot and set it
on full automatic.

The crispness of the image is the one I get a lot followed by how the background is blurred. So no my SD950IS won't cut it.

Some "clients" may not know ISO or aperture from a lugnut, but they
usually do expect high quality pictures and figure that the
photographer should know which settings to use to get them.

Absolutely right. My models don't care how it is done----they care about the results.

totally agree... at the end of the day, nobody really cares about
what SS, A, ISO, etc...

it's the impact of the final product and originality that counts...

the clients really don't care about how i setup my camera...

thanks!!

\;-7

--
http://www.zionpublish.com/photography/

--
Feeling it from downtown with the well-endowed FiftyDee, the 2Marks
and hitting the quadrupLe-doubLe
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/portraiture_5dmkii
http://www.modelmayhem.com/joji2020

--

--

Feeling it from downtown with the well-endowed FiftyDee, the 2Marks and hitting the quadrupLe-doubLe
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/portraiture_5dmkii
http://www.modelmayhem.com/joji2020

 

[José B]

it would be great if we can 'trade' with the diner owner.

I had a chance to shoot in a nightclub once, just me and my model. Unfortunately one of the owners did not like the idea and he overruled the guy who did.

Joji

and... if we can't get a permit...

it's a job for the small lens to shoot inside!

\;-7

We got to shoot in a diner.

Cheers,

Joji

amazing clarity and details!!! and i really love how this photo
turned out to be so attractive!!!

thanks for sharing!!!

\;-7

http://mtblog.self.com/beauty/blogs/selfstylesecrets/03.MOB.style.preview.lo.html

and please do share your findings!! i can't wait to see them!!

=D

NM, I have this upcoming shoot and the location might not be ideal as
the background is not so interesting. It's time to bring the Beast
and shoot at ISO 800-1250 and maybe at f/8-f/11 but still throw off
the background. I also want a gritty look to it and at the same token
extend the flash range.

Thanks buddy.

Joji

--
Feeling it from downtown with the well-endowed FiftyDee, the 2Marks
and hitting the quadrupLe-doubLe
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/portraiture_5dmkii
http://www.modelmayhem.com/joji2020

--
http://www.zionpublish.com/photography/

--
Feeling it from downtown with the well-endowed FiftyDee, the 2Marks
and hitting the quadrupLe-doubLe
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/portraiture_5dmkii
http://www.modelmayhem.com/joji2020

--
http://www.zionpublish.com/photography/

--
Feeling it from downtown with the well-endowed FiftyDee, the 2Marks
and hitting the quadrupLe-doubLe
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/portraiture_5dmkii
http://www.modelmayhem.com/joji2020

--
http://www.zionpublish.com/photography/

--

Feeling it from downtown with the well-endowed FiftyDee, the 2Marks and hitting the quadrupLe-doubLe
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/portraiture_5dmkii
http://www.modelmayhem.com/joji2020

 

[Luis Dias]

From your examples, I believe your "findings" are due to the use of jpg. This is just a speculation but it is possible that since DR on high ISO is quite limited that the in camera jpg engine is pulling highlights and shadows in order to compensate. On broad day light, this gives you some nice and unexpected results.

However,

This only happens because you shoot jpg. If you shoot Raw you would pull much more detail and possibly a more balanced result from your pictures given the raw possibilities and the low ISO higher DR.

I think your baseball team shoot is a perfect illustration for this. If shot in RAW it would have been very easy (and quick) to adjust the exposure for the dark areas, lightroom for example allows you to “paint” exposure compensation in any areas you like (I was thinking player faces), or use grad filters with positive exposure compensation (I was thinking about the stadium benches), giving a very balanced and natural output. This would have been quite easy and fast to do (faster than your jpg 3 layers enhancement) and give you probably better results than the high iso jpg.

 

[bronxbombers]

but in suhc high dynamic range scenes can you really take advantage of the higher ISOs in that way? won't you just clip right away and have to lower exposure time and do worse?

That's the point you seem to have missed entirely. No need to be
rude. He doesn't care about the dynamic range he won't have to
recover detail with because its already properly exposed.

That's how I understood the OP from the beginning; he starts with the
f-stop and shutter speed he deems necessary, and finds that the
highest ISO that doesn't clip away desired highlights is best, which
is easily demonstrated to be true both with test shots, and with
theory. Some people, however, always have a knack of reading
something else than what someone actually wrote, and go off onto
tangents based on their own biases and lack of mental flexibility.

--
John

 

[photo_genie]

You are such a vain!

Are you an idiot? Sorry I really think you are.

Nice try but it did not work again.

Better luck next time!

Please get a life!

The only reason I will respect you because you are an old man!

Again, the OP is ONLY sharing his setup with very good results!

R-E-S-U-L-T-S

Actual RESULTS!

Yeah, but what kind of results, and what about the misleading and
confused way to achieve them?

I'm not here to defend the OP! Enough about the OP.

It's you being so rude and grouchy.

Why so rude and so grouchy!?

Me, rude and grouchy? Imposserous! LOL

Why aren't you jumping on the people who attack me just for the fun
of it, like you?

And nice try about your images and your 1Ds Mark III. Most of us here
knows who you really are.

Really? You don't have a clue.

Better luck next time. Mr. ????

Why the question marks? I thought you said you and "most of us here"
know who I am.

=x

xoxo

You still don't get it. Take a photography course that focuses on
exposure and the relationship between ISO, f-stop, and shutter speed,
and how ISO choice affects DR, noise, and details. Learning how to
use fill flash, your camera's light meter, and more about post
processing would also be a good idea.

LOL!!! Natureman, I thought you "WERE" a highly intelectual man, BUT
I was wrong!

The OP is only sharing his preferred setup. He knows how to shoot!

Do we blast you that you love you 35mm than you 1Ds Mark III? NO!

He's not the best photographer around, BUT his images are far better
than yours for sure! Your images are actually so newbie!!

Why so gourchy!?

xoxo

The OP is doing more than sharing his preferred setup. He's making
comments that are misleading and wrong.

Can you show me where I've said I love my 35mm more than my 1Ds Mark
III?

How would you know what my images look like? Can you show me some of
them?

By the way, I don't have a 1Ds Mark III.

--

--

 

[Christopher Glaeser]

I agree, if the client likes the photo, that's the bottom line. However, if I were the client, no offense intended, but I would be disappointed with that team baseball photo.

Based on your comments and desire to find a better solution, it's apparent you too are disappointed with the baseball photo. However, rather than trying to learn how to take a properly exposed outdoor photo, you would rather use high ISO in an attempt to reduce the time needed to correct the exposure in a photo editor. IMO, the high ISO does not really mitigate the post editing, but that's not really the most relevant point here.

The fact is, photographers have been taking properly exposed outdoor team photos long before the advent of digital cameras and photo editors. Photographers come to our school several times a year to take all the various team photos. In general, the photos are properly exposed, including the shadows on faces under baseball hats, and they don't require any photo editing. If you learn to balance the exposure with the right amount of fill flash, you will put all this high ISO stuff behind you.

Best,
Christopher

 

[José B]

Pretty good advice. I haven't encountered that sort of lighting challenge (team photo in bright sunny conditions with baseball caps) but do you think using three speedlights are the way to go (one the left, right and center)? I am not sure one speedlight will suffice.

Thanks in advance.

José

I agree, if the client likes the photo, that's the bottom line.
However, if I were the client, no offense intended, but I would be
disappointed with that team baseball photo.

Based on your comments and desire to find a better solution, it's
apparent you too are disappointed with the baseball photo. However,
rather than trying to learn how to take a properly exposed outdoor
photo, you would rather use high ISO in an attempt to reduce the time
needed to correct the exposure in a photo editor. IMO, the high ISO
does not really mitigate the post editing, but that's not really the
most relevant point here.

The fact is, photographers have been taking properly exposed outdoor
team photos long before the advent of digital cameras and photo
editors. Photographers come to our school several times a year to
take all the various team photos. In general, the photos are
properly exposed, including the shadows on faces under baseball hats,
and they don't require any photo editing. If you learn to balance
the exposure with the right amount of fill flash, you will put all
this high ISO stuff behind you.

Best,
Christopher

--

Feeling it from downtown with the well-endowed FiftyDee, the 2Marks and hitting the quadrupLe-doubLe
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/portraiture_5dmkii
http://www.modelmayhem.com/joji2020

 

[John Sheehy]

but in suhc high dynamic range scenes can you really take advantage
of the higher ISOs in that way? won't you just clip right away and
have to lower exposure time and do worse?

He stated that the other option to high-ISO (personally, I don't think ISO 1000 is really all that high for a 5D2) is pushing low ISO, so I assume he is in manual mode. Within that context, there are benefits to the higher ISOs. It seemed as if he were speaking of the DR in the sense of how the ISOs render the DR of the sensor itself, IOW, how they render low absolute signals (due to the high shutter speed, etc).

If that's not what he's doing, then he isn't explaining himself very well.

This thread would have been much more efficient if people had just asked him to clarify himself instead of telling him how stupid they think he is. I get the feeling that he has a history from other threads and that people just came here to poke fun.

--
John