What's with all the belligerent 5d2 posting?

[aburton]

As a soon-to-be owner of a 5DmkII, I've been browsing this particular forum more than usual.

GOOD GRIEF!

It's like there's this moral imperative to humiliate anyone who dare post less-than-perfect shots.

Ok! We get it! You can criticize others' work! You don't have to be mean about it! I realize there's a lot of frustration going around because we've all been waiting for a long time, and there still haven't been many great sample galleries (or examples for that matter). But come ON! There's no reason to be mean! The new owner is excited to have a new camera and may or may not have the skill level to access all that the 5DmkII has to offer, but so what? I'm tired of seeing posts like:

-"I'm not sure what your point is: that the 5dii can take out-of-focus, un-sharp pictures in tough conditions? You win that challenge."

-"No offense, but they are out of focus, poorly composed, and don't show me anthing a P&S couldn't do. Ugh. "

-"I think the camera itself is overkill for you if that are the best sampless you managed to get out of 5d in couple of weeks..."

These are incredibly thoughtless and unnecessary comments which should have been kept to posters' selves. I expect more from DP'ers. I hope those of you who find yourselves s in a situation where you're underwhelmed by the performance of the 5DmkII can stop and take a moment to ask yourself whether you're actually making a value-added comment, or whether you're taking advantage of the internet's anonymity to vent your own frustrations at the cost of someone else's feelings.

As for me, regardless of the quality of my shots, I don't ever plan on posting my work to this site. I'm really disappointed in how many trolls have made their way into this forum.

 

[M_Edge]

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[bluefox9er]

sorry, it isn't beligerent to point out that posting terrible, out of focus and uninteresting photos taken with cutting edge camera technology isn't going to win many favours. those particular shots you are referring to, well lets say my cell phone could ( and does) produce better.

it's like going on and on about how beautiful women are and then citing rosie o'donnel as an example of a beautiful woman.
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[doubleeagle]

I have been disappointed in this forum for the same reasons. Please, there are too many real problems in the world - we don't need to come to this forum and read personal attacks. Be kind.

 

[Tom Batinich]

You expect more from DP'ers? Where have you been ?

These are incredibly thoughtless and unnecessary comments which

should have been kept to posters' selves. I expect more from DP'ers.
I hope those of you who find yourselves s in a situation where you're
underwhelmed by the performance of the 5DmkII can stop and take a
moment to ask yourself whether you're actually making a value-added
comment, or whether you're taking advantage of the internet's
anonymity to vent your own frustrations at the cost of someone else's
feelings.

 

[aburton]

Isn't there a constructive way of saying that instead of being mean?

 

[Scales USA]

Yes, its getting to be pretty boring.

Lots of those that wouldn't know a good photo if they saw it, so they nitpick on lack of absolute perfection in technical details.

 

[Nicolaj Roos]

You're absolutely right.

As a soon-to-be owner of a 5DmkII, I've been browsing this particular
forum more than usual.

GOOD GRIEF!

It's like there's this moral imperative to humiliate anyone who dare
post less-than-perfect shots.

Ok! We get it! You can criticize others' work! You don't have to be
mean about it! I realize there's a lot of frustration going around
because we've all been waiting for a long time, and there still
haven't been many great sample galleries (or examples for that
matter). But come ON! There's no reason to be mean! The new owner is
excited to have a new camera and may or may not have the skill level
to access all that the 5DmkII has to offer, but so what? I'm tired of
seeing posts like:

-"I'm not sure what your point is: that the 5dii can take
out-of-focus, un-sharp pictures in tough conditions? You win that
challenge."

-"No offense, but they are out of focus, poorly composed, and don't
show me anthing a P&S couldn't do. Ugh. "

-"I think the camera itself is overkill for you if that are the best
sampless you managed to get out of 5d in couple of weeks..."

These are incredibly thoughtless and unnecessary comments which
should have been kept to posters' selves. I expect more from DP'ers.
I hope those of you who find yourselves s in a situation where you're
underwhelmed by the performance of the 5DmkII can stop and take a
moment to ask yourself whether you're actually making a value-added
comment, or whether you're taking advantage of the internet's
anonymity to vent your own frustrations at the cost of someone else's
feelings.

As for me, regardless of the quality of my shots, I don't ever plan
on posting my work to this site. I'm really disappointed in how many
trolls have made their way into this forum.

 

[WalterSrChat]

This is the professional camera forum, expect criticism of your pictures, after all, how are you suppose to improve if you are always told how great you bad pictures are?

Men have a habit of pointing out flaws in your work, that’s what men do, and sometimes we are not nice about it, because that takes extra time.

You should be thankful we take the time to point you in the correct direction!

:0)
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I am out to take the perfect picture, if it exits!

 

[Nicolaj Roos]

and sometimes we are not nice about it, because that takes extra
time.

No it doesn't.

 

[Dark Adept]

GOOD GRIEF!

It's like there's this moral imperative to humiliate anyone who dare
post less-than-perfect shots.

I've certainly learned my lesson. I simply won't be posting any more photos, which is a shame because I know there are a helpful minority on here that I could learn a lot from.

My least favorite comments? "Your 100% crops are poor compositions" and "I could take better shots with my cell phone." I would have hoped that people would take the time to understand what the image represents rather than reacting simply to whether they like it or not. I'm especially eagerly awaiting the technical details of this cell phone that has a 1500mm+ equivalent zoom so they could capture the same image from the same vantage point!

I certainly appreciate your call for sanity and civility and echo it myself. I had hoped the signal-to-noise ratio would return to a bearable level, but I'm not holding my breath.

 

[Jeff Seltzer]

Two of the comments were from me (in the OP). It was unfair to take them out of context. Go to the origional thread. Then come back and tell me if you still think "I wouldn't know a good photo if I saw it."

Go here: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=30429728

Yes, its getting to be pretty boring.

Lots of those that wouldn't know a good photo if they saw it, so they
nitpick on lack of absolute perfection in technical details.

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http://www.jeffseltzerphotography.com

 

[Camera Dog]

you must have missed this picture.
http://www.rosie.com/photos/rosies-photos.aspx?ID=8775

Rosie is a very kind, warm and beautiful woman.

bluefox9er wrote:
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it's like going on and on about how beautiful women are and then
citing rosie o'donnel as an example of a beautiful woman.

--
Certified Professional Master Photographer, Level 3.
Certified Expert on 30 D and on Zoom L Lenses
Working on L Prime Certification

 

[Jeff Seltzer]

In the thread you are talking about, the original poster included images showing how great the 5dii is.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=30429728

Indeed, they were horribly out-of-foucs. Indeed, they looked like something from a P&S. It's not mean. I didn't call him names. In fact, my feedback isn't even subjective. It's empirical - they are out of focus. Period. If he showed them to me in person, I'd say the same thing.

I would expect that someone who posts images in this forum can take a little feedback. My assumption is that someone spending $3k+ on a camera is not exactly a beginner. I'm not being thoughtless at all. I think the OP is being defensive - he could actually learn something.

I've posted lots of work in these forums, and I've received sometimes harsh, but most often constructive criticism.

As a soon-to-be owner of a 5DmkII, I've been browsing this particular
forum more than usual.

GOOD GRIEF!

It's like there's this moral imperative to humiliate anyone who dare
post less-than-perfect shots.

Ok! We get it! You can criticize others' work! You don't have to be
mean about it! I realize there's a lot of frustration going around
because we've all been waiting for a long time, and there still
haven't been many great sample galleries (or examples for that
matter). But come ON! There's no reason to be mean! The new owner is
excited to have a new camera and may or may not have the skill level
to access all that the 5DmkII has to offer, but so what? I'm tired of
seeing posts like:

-"I'm not sure what your point is: that the 5dii can take
out-of-focus, un-sharp pictures in tough conditions? You win that
challenge."

-"No offense, but they are out of focus, poorly composed, and don't
show me anthing a P&S couldn't do. Ugh. "

-"I think the camera itself is overkill for you if that are the best
sampless you managed to get out of 5d in couple of weeks..."

These are incredibly thoughtless and unnecessary comments which
should have been kept to posters' selves. I expect more from DP'ers.
I hope those of you who find yourselves s in a situation where you're
underwhelmed by the performance of the 5DmkII can stop and take a
moment to ask yourself whether you're actually making a value-added
comment, or whether you're taking advantage of the internet's
anonymity to vent your own frustrations at the cost of someone else's
feelings.

As for me, regardless of the quality of my shots, I don't ever plan
on posting my work to this site. I'm really disappointed in how many
trolls have made their way into this forum.

--
http://www.jeffseltzerphotography.com

 

[Camera Dog]

if you go to the zoo, don't be disappointed when the chimps fling #@( at each other. That is what chimps do. Don't expect them to recite poetry to you.

for the longest time, dpreview has had people flinging &#^ at each other. If you express a viewpoint, it isn't valid unless you show a good cat picture or some artsy garbage.

--
Certified Professional Master Photographer, Level 3.
Certified Expert on 30 D and on Zoom L Lenses
Working on L Prime Certification

 

[Jeff Seltzer]

I still don't understand how telling someone their pictures are horribly out of focus is a peronal attack.

I have been disappointed in this forum for the same reasons. Please,
there are too many real problems in the world - we don't need to come
to this forum and read personal attacks. Be kind.

--
http://www.jeffseltzerphotography.com

 

[José B]

I've been a dpreview member here for a long time and this is always the case everything there is a new camera launch. Some people will pixel-peep images to death. Also don't dare to post any pictures that are not National Geographic or SI quality as there are some who will make rude comments.

OTOH, there are gems to be had here like people who are helpful with their CC of your images and/or honest reviews of their new cameras.

Best regards,

José

As a soon-to-be owner of a 5DmkII, I've been browsing this particular
forum more than usual.

GOOD GRIEF!

It's like there's this moral imperative to humiliate anyone who dare
post less-than-perfect shots.

Ok! We get it! You can criticize others' work! You don't have to be
mean about it! I realize there's a lot of frustration going around
because we've all been waiting for a long time, and there still
haven't been many great sample galleries (or examples for that
matter). But come ON! There's no reason to be mean! The new owner is
excited to have a new camera and may or may not have the skill level
to access all that the 5DmkII has to offer, but so what? I'm tired of
seeing posts like:

-"I'm not sure what your point is: that the 5dii can take
out-of-focus, un-sharp pictures in tough conditions? You win that
challenge."

-"No offense, but they are out of focus, poorly composed, and don't
show me anthing a P&S couldn't do. Ugh. "

-"I think the camera itself is overkill for you if that are the best
sampless you managed to get out of 5d in couple of weeks..."

These are incredibly thoughtless and unnecessary comments which
should have been kept to posters' selves. I expect more from DP'ers.
I hope those of you who find yourselves s in a situation where you're
underwhelmed by the performance of the 5DmkII can stop and take a
moment to ask yourself whether you're actually making a value-added
comment, or whether you're taking advantage of the internet's
anonymity to vent your own frustrations at the cost of someone else's
feelings.

As for me, regardless of the quality of my shots, I don't ever plan
on posting my work to this site. I'm really disappointed in how many
trolls have made their way into this forum.

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[Veridicus]

Your comments regarding a lack of civility and politeness are spot on. I do appreciate very direct criticism because it does make me a better photographer. However, some critiques that you've sited are just plain mean-spirited and serve no purpose but to diminish the value of the juror.

I'm currently the happy owner of a well-used 5D and thanks to the very informative posts here, I'll just have to wait until some issues are resolved before I can ever hope to upgrade. Thanks again for making an effort to slow down the personal sniping and nudging the conversation back to civil discussions of the issues. --V

 

[dwterry]

I used to really enjoy reading DPReview, but I swear in the last year or so, things have really gone down hill with the type and style of posts we get here.

Amen to everything you said.

 

[José B]

for error because you can hike up ISO. When I had the 20D/30D I was not afraid to hike it up to ISO 800 with this camera I'll take it to ISO 2000. This will minimize those OOF shots.

As a soon-to-be owner of a 5DmkII, I've been browsing this particular
forum more than usual.

GOOD GRIEF!

It's like there's this moral imperative to humiliate anyone who dare
post less-than-perfect shots.

Ok! We get it! You can criticize others' work! You don't have to be
mean about it! I realize there's a lot of frustration going around
because we've all been waiting for a long time, and there still
haven't been many great sample galleries (or examples for that
matter). But come ON! There's no reason to be mean! The new owner is
excited to have a new camera and may or may not have the skill level
to access all that the 5DmkII has to offer, but so what? I'm tired of
seeing posts like:

-"I'm not sure what your point is: that the 5dii can take
out-of-focus, un-sharp pictures in tough conditions? You win that
challenge."

-"No offense, but they are out of focus, poorly composed, and don't
show me anthing a P&S couldn't do. Ugh. "

-"I think the camera itself is overkill for you if that are the best
sampless you managed to get out of 5d in couple of weeks..."

These are incredibly thoughtless and unnecessary comments which
should have been kept to posters' selves. I expect more from DP'ers.
I hope those of you who find yourselves s in a situation where you're
underwhelmed by the performance of the 5DmkII can stop and take a
moment to ask yourself whether you're actually making a value-added
comment, or whether you're taking advantage of the internet's
anonymity to vent your own frustrations at the cost of someone else's
feelings.

As for me, regardless of the quality of my shots, I don't ever plan
on posting my work to this site. I'm really disappointed in how many
trolls have made their way into this forum.

--

Feeling it from downtown with the well-endowed FiftyDee, the 2Marks and hitting the quadrupLe-doubLe
Recent work:
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/cris_5dmkii
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/alejandra_1dmkiii
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/ashley