d100 or s2 pro ???

[sarhento]

Actually, he thinks buying Fuji is stupid. The way I see it is this: One prefers one to another because of reasons they perceive have value to them. You do that, I do that. What's so stupid to you, makes perfect sense to others. Personally I respect people's preferences whether it's canon, nikon or fuji. I have a D1X and in line for D100.

He (my boss) thinks having the word "Fuji" around his neck is not acceptable given the kind of people he circulates in.

sarhento

My boss' reason: He does not want to be seen with Fuji around his
neck.

sarhento

I've cancelled two answers to such stupidity because they were just
too obvious and anyone can imagine them : so please do.

You must pass real enlighting days with him...

 

[Jean Montambeault]

He (my boss) thinks having the word "Fuji" around his neck is not
acceptable given the kind of people he circulates in.

sarhento

Thanks for confirming.

))))

He circulates in people ? I thought that he might be a virus or bacteria of some kind.

)))))

Thanks, that feels good.

P.S. Get the hell out of there !

 

[Alfred]

He (my boss) thinks having the word "Fuji" around his neck is not
acceptable given the kind of people he circulates in.

sarhento

this could really make a lot of sense ... just think that this person is doing e.g. extensive paid work for nikon or nikon-related businesses.

Can make perfect sense.

I for my part would not eat frozen food that's not made by nestlé ... ;o)

enjoy life,
alfred

My boss' reason: He does not want to be seen with Fuji around his
neck.

sarhento

I've cancelled two answers to such stupidity because they were just
too obvious and anyone can imagine them : so please do.

You must pass real enlighting days with him...

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[Dennis D]

One big thing for me is that the S2 can only use the mechanical shutter release while the D100 can use the 10 pin electronic shutter release as well as the mechanical one. That feature along with the fact that the only choice for raw in the S2 is the large interpolated one (no uninterpolated raw images available) has caused me to go with the D100
Dennis D

S2 Pro has multi-exposure mode while D100 hasn't.

S2 Pro has a function for the user to clean the CCD, while D100
hasn't.

S2 Pro has iso100 while D100 starts from iso200.

S2 Pro has USB and firewire for speedy transfer while D100 has
only USB.

May be there are more.

Well, just to spice things up a little...

D100 has optional vertical grip (S2 hasn't)

D100 has flash-sync of 1/180 (S2 has 1/125)

D100 has 1 lithium pack for power (S2 has 3 types of batteries, 2
of which cannot be rechargable (lithium for flash, button-type for
retaining data))

Maybe there are more.

(Both have the same AF-system, the same lens-specs, similar body, ...)

Jörg

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Dennis D

 

[Dennis D]

D100 has optional vertical grip (S2 hasn't)

Thats right. Yet some of the functions that come only with this
option on the D100 are standard on the S2

Actually that's not true, there is no vertical shutter release on the S2 and no 10 pin connection on the S2, the vertical grip on the D100 has both of these.
Dennis D

 

[Jean Montambeault]

D100 has optional vertical grip (S2 hasn't)

Thats right. Yet some of the functions that come only with this
option on the D100 are standard on the S2

Actually that's not true, there is no vertical shutter release on
the S2 and no 10 pin connection on the S2, the vertical grip on the
D100 has both of these.
Dennis D

Dennis,

read again carefully : I wrote that some of the functions the D100 can't without the batteries pack... not all of the functions. For example it can (has to really) use NiMH batteries... or, it can take voice memos, which I use a lot in the middle of the woods, mountains, oceans...

Otherwise, both points you're making are valid and would be nice features to have on the S2.

I'm still probably going to buy the Fuji, simply for the type of picture, because the colors appeals more to me, the different nature of its softness. It would take a lot of inconveniences on the S2 or extras on the D100 to balance that.

I'll take good pictures and I'll still come here and look at what you're shooting : I'm sure it won't be time lost, because the D100 can take beautiful pictures. I regret to have to choose.

Jean.

 

[Dennis D]

You're right Jean; I didn't see "some" when I read your post, my apologies.

I had intended on getting the S2 but I need the 10 pin connection so I had to go with the D100. Good luck with your S2
Dennis D

D100 has optional vertical grip (S2 hasn't)

Thats right. Yet some of the functions that come only with this
option on the D100 are standard on the S2

Actually that's not true, there is no vertical shutter release on
the S2 and no 10 pin connection on the S2, the vertical grip on the
D100 has both of these.
Dennis D

Dennis,

read again carefully : I wrote that some of the functions the
D100 can't without the batteries pack... not all of the
functions. For example it can (has to really) use NiMH batteries...
or, it can take voice memos, which I use a lot in the middle of the
woods, mountains, oceans...

Otherwise, both points you're making are valid and would be nice
features to have on the S2.
I'm still probably going to buy the Fuji, simply for the type of
picture, because the colors appeals more to me, the different
nature of its softness. It would take a lot of inconveniences on
the S2 or extras on the D100 to balance that.
I'll take good pictures and I'll still come here and look at what
you're shooting : I'm sure it won't be time lost, because the D100
can take beautiful pictures. I regret to have to choose.

Jean.

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Dennis D

 

[David SL]

The D100 has 12 selectable ISO levels the S2 does not(only 6).

The D100 has 3 selectable color spaces, the S2 does not(1).

The D100 has a custom tone curve import option, S2 does not.

The D100 has + -5 adjustments in EV in auto mode, S2 does not(+ -3).

The D100 has AE and WB bracketing, S2 does not(as far as I know).

The D100 has near 3fps shooting speed the S2 is specified to have only 2fps.

I'm very confused: I heard a lot about both s2 and d100.
What to choose ??
thanks a lot !
Tommaso

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[sarhento]

P.S. Get the hell out of there !

With the language you use, perhaps you should yell that to yourself.

 

[Danny Brenner]

As a pro photographer for many many years I have never touched Minolta. All my friends working for the leading Israeli daily newspapares as well as AP/Reuters/AFP etc. have never touched Minolta and for the same reason will not ever touch Fuji. Just Nikon or Canon. Think about it! Think Pro!

The D100 has 3 selectable color spaces, the S2 does not(1).

The D100 has a custom tone curve import option, S2 does not.

The D100 has + -5 adjustments in EV in auto mode, S2 does not(+ -3).

The D100 has AE and WB bracketing, S2 does not(as far as I know).

The D100 has near 3fps shooting speed the S2 is specified to have
only 2fps.

I'm very confused: I heard a lot about both s2 and d100.
What to choose ??
thanks a lot !
Tommaso

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[Jean Montambeault]

With the language you use, perhaps you should yell that to yourself.

I see that it is too late for you. My heart feels a little heavier for that. (Sob)

BTW, I wasn't yelling but whispering with insistance.

Have a nice life if you still can.

 

[sarhento]

I have a wonderfvul life. It's you I'm worried about.

With the language you use, perhaps you should yell that to yourself.

I see that it is too late for you. My heart feels a little heavier
for that. (Sob)

BTW, I wasn't yelling but whispering with insistance.

Have a nice life if you still can.

 

[Dick Lau of Calgary]

Again depends your need.

Better image quality –S2
Bigger print size –S2
Firewire –S2
Able to use non-DX Nikon/third party flashlight –S2
TOC –S2 (it really depends your need, like the grip and flash)

User friendly –D100 (if you need vertical shutter release)
High ISO -D100
Faster continuous shot –D100 (not too sure about that)
Better look –D100
Better service –D100
Higher resell value –D100 (we have to wait and see for this one)

****

I'm very confused: I heard a lot about both s2 and d100.
What to choose ??
thanks a lot !
Tommaso

 

[sarhento]

BTW, that's insistence not insistance. ;-)

sarhento

With the language you use, perhaps you should yell that to yourself.

I see that it is too late for you. My heart feels a little heavier
for that. (Sob)

BTW, I wasn't yelling but whispering with insistance.

Have a nice life if you still can.

 

[Dick Lau of Calgary]

It seems S2 can use most of Nikon flash with TTL while D100 limited to DX flash. D100 can use normal Nikon flash but only in A mode and not DTTL or TTL (if i recall correctly).

I have a SB-24 and SB-28. I check the price for SB-28 on ebay, one word, cheap. If I sell my SB28 (exellence condition) on ebay and get a new SB-80DX, I think I will lost 150-200 USD.

And the price for D100 start adding up, like the PC connector AS-15 for D100 $15 USD and the Grip, 300USD, plus the 150USD for the flash.

****

Sure is, and one is a biggie: the Fuji uses Nikon's standard flash
methodology (TTL with any TTL Speedlight, just like the 35mm
bodies) and the D100 can only TTL with a DX flash.

so you're saying my SB28 (not DX version) would work in TTL with
the S2? That's a MAJOR plus for the S2 then. I wonder how Fuji does
what Nikon didn't seem to be able to do. Would Fuji's TTL use the
info from D-lenses as well or they're implementing basic TTL only?

 

[Dick Lau of Calgary]

SJH,

I think it is hard to say which one is better for now. We have to wait till the real test comes out.

Remember the great F3's flash adapter? We all love this unique feature, aren't we?

****

Hi Tom,

Re:
"Sure is, and one is a biggie: the Fuji uses Nikon's standard flash
methodology (TTL with any TTL Speedlight, just like the 35mm
bodies) and the D100 can only TTL with a DX flash."

This is a little misleading. The Nikon D100 supports 5 segment
D-TTL (TTL for digital SLR), whereas the Fuji S2 only supports
regular 35mm type of TTL.

Since the S2 is not a regular 35mm camera, the TTL flash technology
is not as advanced as the D-TTL the D100 offers with a Nikon DX
dedicated flash.

i.e D100 flash technology is better than S2, and it would
definately be worth investing in a DX flash if you buy a D100.

Rgds,

sjh

 

[Jean Montambeault]

**** Lau wrote:
I'll mess with your well ordered tableau here, I'm afraid. Please forgive me.

Again depends your need.

Better image quality –S2

I'd say different, probably better for commercial (publicity), portrait, artistic photography and yet, there's room to discuss that.

Bigger print size –S2

Inasmuch as one is attentive to the real aliasing problem of Fuji's interpolation. Easy to spot, easier to correct, limited to a couple of circumstances but very real.

Firewire –S2
Able to use non-DX Nikon/third party flashlight –S2
TOC –S2 (it really depends your need, like the grip and flash)

add very nice ISO 100
No contest for these three.

User friendly –D100 (if you need vertical shutter release)

Yep.

High ISO -D100

Is it usable ? Also good only for small pictures I believe.

Faster continuous shot –D100 (not too sure about that)

The S2 is limited to 2fps and 7 shots and that, in any resolution, remains the same ; I find that last part strange but don't mind so much.

Better look –D100

??? Don't every camera look like ugly clumps of technology since forever ?

Better service –D100

Your mileage may vary.

Higher resell value –D100 (we have to wait and see for this one)

Most likely, although that the resale value of digital technology for the years to come will be real low. I wouldn't give more than 1k $ for a used D-30 now : would you ?

 

[Dick Lau of Calgary]

thanks for mess up my little list.

So what is your choice?

For the image quality and size, add we need to do is a side by side real life test. But since we don’t have the camera, we leave it to Phil.

For some of the features from both S2 and D100 is the marketing thing on paper. What matter is how the picture looks. Isn’t it?

****

Again depends your need.

Better image quality –S2

I'd say different, probably better for commercial (publicity),
portrait, artistic photography and yet, there's room to discuss
that.

Bigger print size –S2

Inasmuch as one is attentive to the real aliasing problem of Fuji's
interpolation. Easy to spot, easier to correct, limited to a couple
of circumstances but very real.

Firewire –S2
Able to use non-DX Nikon/third party flashlight –S2
TOC –S2 (it really depends your need, like the grip and flash)

add very nice ISO 100
No contest for these three.

User friendly –D100 (if you need vertical shutter release)

Yep.

High ISO -D100

Is it usable ? Also good only for small pictures I believe.

Faster continuous shot –D100 (not too sure about that)

The S2 is limited to 2fps and 7 shots and that, in any resolution,
remains the same ; I find that last part strange but don't mind so
much.

Better look –D100

??? Don't every camera look like ugly clumps of technology since
forever ?

Better service –D100

Your mileage may vary.

Higher resell value –D100 (we have to wait and see for this one)

Most likely, although that the resale value of digital technology
for the years to come will be real low. I wouldn't give more than
1k $ for a used D-30 now : would you ?

 

[Bill Marks]

****,

5 segment D-TTL is proven technology. It is the same as the D-TTL technology in the professional D1x and D1h cameras.

The TTL in the S2 is based on 35mm film camera technology (F80) which does not apply in the same way with a digital camera (distance to film plane versus the CCD sensor).

Nikon's answer to this was to develop the D-TTL technology which would give more accurate TTL with a digital SLR.

Rgds,

sjh

 

[Jean Montambeault]

thanks for mess up my little list.

You're welcome, of course.

So what is your choice?

So far, Fuji.

If I was in journalism, documentary and mostly human interest stories I'd go for the Nikon eyes closed.

I might be tempted by the Canon if I was doing lots of landscape, although I'm most curious to see what Fuji's colors can do for that.

My photo store will lend me one of each and I'll decide then. It may mean that I'll have to wait till the pre-ordering crowd passes. Well, that'll leave me with the glorious August light (I live near Montreal), autumn colors, ever changing winter sheer shine, gatherings in warm places... Wouldn't you survive on that regime ?

For some of the features from both S2 and D100 is the marketing
thing on paper. What matter is how the picture looks. Isn’t it?

There is no discussion there.
I don't expect much bad from any of the three brands though.

Yet, I'd bet anything that there will be people who can do their best work only with a Nikon, others with their Fuji or Canon (Sigma maybe ?). Ah! Humans! What an invention! Then again : what an invention!

Read ya!

Jean