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Hi!

Glad to say I finally joined you wonderful foveon folks here...

Been using the SD-14 for bout 2 weeks now and I'm falling more in love with it everyday!!

I'm still getting to grips with and especially having trouble getting the white balance in indoors situations right. Any tips on that one? Yellow pictures are driving me mad :D

Well anyways.. Thank you for all the great posts I've had the pleasure to learn from and check my first batch of pictures @:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/23677463@N04/sets/72157603890494263/

Cheers,

Janne
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'I picture you and me... Always.' -Mute Math
 
Hi!

Glad to say I finally joined you wonderful foveon folks here...
Been using the SD-14 for bout 2 weeks now and I'm falling more in
love with it everyday!!

I'm still getting to grips with and especially having trouble getting
the white balance in indoors situations right. Any tips on that one?
Yellow pictures are driving me mad :D
Either get Photoshop and use the selective colour tool to reduce the yellow content, and/or use flash.
An 80b filter can help a lot when working with incandescant light.
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DSG
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http://sigmasd10.fotopic.net/
 
Thanks!!

I read about the 80b and looks like I'll have to go out and buy one at least for my 30mm.. Thanks for the comments and for the chance to learn!

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'I picture you and me... Always.' -Mute Math
 
Hi man

Welcome to the squad.

Looks like you enjoy the camera.
Had great pleasure in watching your gallery. I think you are very talented.
Keep up the good work, and keep posting.
Hi!

Glad to say I finally joined you wonderful foveon folks here...
Been using the SD-14 for bout 2 weeks now and I'm falling more in
love with it everyday!!

I'm still getting to grips with and especially having trouble getting
the white balance in indoors situations right. Any tips on that one?
Yellow pictures are driving me mad :D
Hard to say without seeing examples, and hearing what were the light conditions and what your settings were.
There are some tips here:
http://www.foto.nordjylland.biz/SD14/SD-usertips.htm#_Toc187351369
as others also have pointed out.

But that you get a yellow cast is a bit mysterious, the weak blue channel is more responsible for noise than colorshift, IMHO.

What kind of lightsource is it - mixed light? And what WB setting do you use? RAW/JPEG?
Well anyways.. Thank you for all the great posts I've had the
pleasure to learn from and check my first batch of pictures @:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/23677463@N04/sets/72157603890494263/

Cheers,

Janne
--
'I picture you and me... Always.' -Mute Math
--
Kind regards
Øyvind Strøm
http://www.pbase.com/norwegianviking/sd14
http://www.norwegianviking.smugmug.com
http://www.pbase.com/norwegianviking
SD-14 Compendium: http://www.foto.nordjylland.biz/SD14/SD-usertips.htm
 
You will save you're self a lot of grief by getting and using an Expodisc or similar WB tool. AWB and the WB presets are not nearly as accurate as an Expodisc.

Also, if I might make a suggestion. For ISO 100-400 set your metering to matrix and your AE compensation to +.7 . The image will look too light on the back of your camera but will come into wonderful richness with a more optimized signal to noise ratio when you work with it in SPP and subsequently photoshop.

When working w ISO 50, meter at ISO 50 and bracket. The highlights are quite delicate but with care pictures made at this ISO are quite striking.

But then again nearly everything is quite striking when it is done properly.

Hope this helps.
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Paul Thacker
http://www.paulthacker.com
 
Thanks for the tips! I'll be sure to read through the whole tutorials page.. Seems to have lots of things I've missed.

BTW know anybody who shoots gigs with the SD-14? Would love to see some pics and gain some knowledge about that.. I work for a music production company so I also shoot gigs for them.
Welcome to the squad.

Looks like you enjoy the camera.
Had great pleasure in watching your gallery. I think you are very
talented.
Keep up the good work, and keep posting.
Hi!

Glad to say I finally joined you wonderful foveon folks here...
Been using the SD-14 for bout 2 weeks now and I'm falling more in
love with it everyday!!

I'm still getting to grips with and especially having trouble getting
the white balance in indoors situations right. Any tips on that one?
Yellow pictures are driving me mad :D
Hard to say without seeing examples, and hearing what were the light
conditions and what your settings were.
There are some tips here:
http://www.foto.nordjylland.biz/SD14/SD-usertips.htm#_Toc187351369
as others also have pointed out.

But that you get a yellow cast is a bit mysterious, the weak blue
channel is more responsible for noise than colorshift, IMHO.
What kind of lightsource is it - mixed light? And what WB setting do
you use? RAW/JPEG?
Well anyways.. Thank you for all the great posts I've had the
pleasure to learn from and check my first batch of pictures @:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/23677463@N04/sets/72157603890494263/

Cheers,

Janne
--
'I picture you and me... Always.' -Mute Math
--
Kind regards
Øyvind Strøm
http://www.pbase.com/norwegianviking/sd14
http://www.norwegianviking.smugmug.com
http://www.pbase.com/norwegianviking
SD-14 Compendium: http://www.foto.nordjylland.biz/SD14/SD-usertips.htm
--
'I picture you and me... Always.' -Mute Math
 
Hello
Thanks for the tips! I'll be sure to read through the whole tutorials
page.. Seems to have lots of things I've missed.

BTW know anybody who shoots gigs with the SD-14? Would love to see
some pics and gain some knowledge about that.. I work for a music
production company so I also shoot gigs for them.
I think I have seen some band shots, but unfortunately I do not remember who or when it was.

--
Kind regards
Øyvind Strøm
http://www.pbase.com/norwegianviking/sd14
http://www.norwegianviking.smugmug.com
http://www.pbase.com/norwegianviking
SD-14 Compendium: http://www.foto.nordjylland.biz/SD14/SD-usertips.htm
 
Shame... Well. I'm sure I'll find some others at some point :D Thanks though!
Thanks for the tips! I'll be sure to read through the whole tutorials
page.. Seems to have lots of things I've missed.

BTW know anybody who shoots gigs with the SD-14? Would love to see
some pics and gain some knowledge about that.. I work for a music
production company so I also shoot gigs for them.
I think I have seen some band shots, but unfortunately I do not
remember who or when it was.

--
Kind regards
Øyvind Strøm
http://www.pbase.com/norwegianviking/sd14
http://www.norwegianviking.smugmug.com
http://www.pbase.com/norwegianviking
SD-14 Compendium: http://www.foto.nordjylland.biz/SD14/SD-usertips.htm
--
'I picture you and me... Always.' -Mute Math
 
BTW know anybody who shoots gigs with the SD-14? Would love to see
some pics and gain some knowledge about that.. I work for a music
production company so I also shoot gigs for them.
Grab yourself a Sigma 30mm f/1.4. It's your best bet for indoor shooting in existing low light/concert conditions. This is especially true if you have better access to the band than most concertgoers. You will be allowed to get up close and personal with such a great lens.

--
Greg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gregorylee/sets/

(Most of my photos are taken with either the SD10 or SD14. I had a brief tryst with a Panasonic LX2, but I couldn't bear the noise. Maybe the DP1 will fulfill my point-and-shoot desires!)
 
Thanks Greg!!

Been seriously photographing for about 9 months now so still getting started. :D

-Janne
Welcome!

Your work shows great breadth and diversity. If this is your first
batch, I can't wait to see what's coming down the line. :)

--
Greg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gregorylee/sets/

(Most of my photos are taken with either the SD10 or SD14. I had a
brief tryst with a
Panasonic LX2, but I couldn't bear the noise. Maybe the DP1 will
fulfill my point-and-
shoot desires!)
--
'I picture you and me... Always.' -Mute Math
 
I'm still getting to grips with and especially having trouble getting
the white balance in indoors situations right. Any tips on that one?
Yellow pictures are driving me mad :D
Ohhh, your pictures are outstanding. How did you do that? Personally I have difficulties to balance skin colors with SPP because of that tiny color wheel.

Underexposing and color sometimes bite, you already found it out. The X3F sensor is assumed to see in a different color room than we do, and some color amounts spill over from one primary color into the other. Therefore a color transformation and subtraction of the spill over colors are needed (I hear that, beware). The color transformation can clip values in some situations, and underexposed channels make subtractions difficult, thus introducing noise from the very underexposed channel into the other (does this make sense?). Some folk discovered that under natural light high ISO is pretty good with X3F sensors, and indoors B&W conversions as well.

The conclusion of this is not to expose very close to the limits of the sensor. The histogram is not exactly that what the sensor receives, because it is RGB, after transformation. Unfortunately the three channels are not on display before transformation.

The X3F sensor is balanced for daylight. Under artifical light the contribution of the blue channel (the hard light important for contrasts) is becoming lower with color temperature. You can check this with the histogram. While the red channel is near clipping the blue channel is very weak.

To improve the balance between the channels a blue filter (transmissive for blue light and attenuating red light) helps. You will loose some of the red light while you can lengthen exposure to bring up the blue light for a better balance then.

Another difficult situation is mixed light. You can get it when you shoot indoors in incandescent light (which is very red) and using a flash. For a good color balance you will have to compensate the flash light with a red filter (gel) in front of your flash, while you have a blue filter on your lens. If you don't people close to the flash have ghost-white faces while skin more behind is near natural, or you have natural skin tone in the front and yellow/red faces behind. It is your choice ;)

But why don't you shoot under sun light or even better flash light if you want what people assume to be the best white balance? Using expo dish and similar material will not give you the mood of the situation, because together with the color picker or the camera WB it will adjust colors for daylight. Still you can adjust with the color picker and adjust the color back to 2900K or what color your light had before.

Very unsatisfying results come from flourescent light which has strong peaks in the green. Avoid it when possible.

With Lightroom, probably also Photoshop color balancing is mostly easy. SPP takes longer time, but sometimes results from SPP are superior.

Best regards

Wolfgang
 

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