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Why, you ask? Or, perhaps not.

I like my cameras because I'm able to make images with them. They're not perfect and perhaps someone out there can explain "perfect" to me.

Yep, I shoot with 5mp, or is that 4.9mp [?], cameras and one at 7.5mp [E-330] and I'm very pleased.

I can "measurebate" and find fault with every image made but opt not to do so, rather look at the resultant image in order to determine if I, or my selected audience, likes it.

The arguments about DR, banding, noise, blah, blah, blah, have overwhelmed the intent of actually making images.

IMO, most, if not all, of the current DSLRs are quite capable of producing excellent images. Surely, each camera has idiosyncracies and learning to use those to one's advantage is, finally, what making an image is all about.

While it's recognized that this Forum is a "technical" Forum, lately the alleged negatives far outweigh the purpose of the cameras, i.e. to make images.

So, let's not push these excellent cameras beyond their limits then complain that at ISO 64,000 one may see a bit of noise or banding, rather learn to use the cameras within the limitations and do the best that we can within those limitations.

Before I get flamed for using the limitation word, all DSLRs, as all SLRs and all films have limitations.
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Soon as you make people realize that NONE of the DSLRs available today is the limiting factor in their ability to make images.... well.... can you imagine the havoc that will wreak? The economy is on shakey enough ground as it is.

Quickly now.... renounce that post and bemoan your system's inability to shoot cheetahs at full speed at midnight on a moonless night before the universe caves in on itself.

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Inigo Montoya said:
Soon as you make people realize that NONE of the DSLRs available
today is the limiting factor in their ability to make images....
well.... can you imagine the havoc that will wreak? The economy is
on shakey enough ground as it is.
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Sorry...
Inigo Montoya said:
Quickly now.... renounce that post and bemoan your system's inability
to shoot cheetahs at full speed at midnight on a moonless night
before the universe caves in on itself.
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Somewhere, in my archives, is a photo of a black Panther, at midnight running at full speed but that hard drive failed on me yesterday! ;-)
Inigo Montoya said:
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I couldn't agree more with you. I don't even complain to myself why I can't do this or that with either my E500 or E330. I've been very happy with both and have recently made several great prints from them. I don't consider myself a pixel peeper, but I do like new technologies. With that said I agree that it really doesn't matter these days which DSLR you pick up, they can all make great images given the person behind them cares about the image and not all the technological BS that goes along with them.

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Bill,

wise words. The original purpose of a camera - taking pictures - gets easily lost on this forum :-)

A phrase from one of Andreas Feininger's books comes to mind: the technically oriented amateurs always have the latest gear, know every technical detail, but produce dull + boring (if any...) pictures.

I do like to participate in technical arguments, and like to niggle at some issues of my cams, but they're perfect machines to fulfil their purpose (see above)...

All best,

Claus.

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in order for me to feel good about myself, I RELY on the validation of people I don't know, telling me I have the best car, tv, deodorant, watch, dishwasher, underwear, computer, and camera...and they can prove it.

I need to know if I'm enjoying myself.
 
since you admitted that the big '6-2' is coming, you better watch 'measurebating' - that could be kinda stressful on ya!!!! :-)

Seriously - these little machines we use simply amaze me. Following this thread as well as Claus' thread, digital cameras in general are unbelievable. To take light, throw it through those little (or not so little) pieces of glass and get an image out of it and on the computer in a matter of seconds just amazes me.

As for flaws, limitations, etc of these little boxes, I am also amazed that even if i see imperfections on my screen, my little measly photo printer can make the images look like a lab printed them.

This whole digital thing really fascinates me - whether it's my $900 E-500 kit or the $5000-8000 C-N varieties.
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just before I read yours here. If I had read yours first I would not have bothered. I'm just glad that I am not alone in my thoughts and feelings on this subject.

Eddie
 
Hi "Cuddles", you old poodle, you
Bootstrap said:
Somewhere, in my archives, is a photo of a black Panther, at midnight
running at full speed but that hard drive failed on me yesterday! ;-)
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That's the one you took in that coal mine with the lights off and no flash, isn't it?

AND I totally agree with your first post, Bill. More pictures, fewer fights about irrelevancies, folks.

regards, another old poodle.
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Bill, by way of agreement with what you've said, when I look at someone else's pictures, the first thing I ask myself is never "Now, what sort of camera was this taken on?" I'm too busy feeling the photo.

I've wondered why I love my cameras and photography as much as I do, and I think the answer is because it gives me the chance to be interpretive and creative. I have a very technical job, which I feel sometimes unbalances my mind. I don't have time to write a diary - my photos are the way I am interpreting and recording my time on Earth. For me, a good day is one in which I get to use my camera.

Cheers, Baddboy.
 
baddboy said:
I've wondered why I love my cameras and photography as much as I do,
and I think the answer is because it gives me the chance to be
interpretive and creative. I have a very technical job, which I feel
sometimes unbalances my mind.
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Goodness me !

You just found the right way to describe what i experience. I'll be remembering the way you put it ; as a non-native english speaker, that's quite a good help !

Cheers,

Marc
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I'm with you. I can find flaws with almost every image if I look hard enough, but I primarily shoot soccer photos for a club team, and the people who see the photos absolutely flip over what I do, so the heck with a bit of noise or blur.
 
I quite agree. Below an image where I pushed the limits of my E330 beyond what it is capable of. To salvage the lower part of the image where banding still is visible I tried out something new and kind of like the results, as have a few others. It might have made a better image with a camera with a DR wide as the grand canyon. But it would have been a different image. And I'm not complaining.



Happy shooting!
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I'm with you on that one Bill, and I'm glad you said it so loudly. There's not much out there that cannot produce a gorgeous photograph and the biggest limitation is the person holding it. We all have moments of inability to get the shot, but that has little to do with our equipment. The camera one selects is a personal choice and they're so often better than most of the people holding them. No pixel peeping is going to improve someones images so much that it makes a difference in all but a real minority of uses.

Thanks for that

Sergio

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It first began when Arago said "chacun pourra s'en servir" (everybody will be able to use it) while presenting daguerréotype. This was a very optimistic affirmation but, as Talbot noticed, it was still possible to create beautiful images without any knowledge of perspective (though some chemistry and optic knowledges were badly needed.)

Sixty years after, Eastman said "You press the button and we do the rest" and he was so convincing that he was able to sell lot of Kodak Brownies for children.

Including electronic devices and a computer in every camera transformed that into "Press the button, THE CAMERA will do the rest".

As long as teachers will continue to pretend that "Our eyes perform like a camera" it will be an evidence for most peoples that when they find some unpleasant differences between what they saw and what they get from the camera the camera is the culprit.

In such a situation, buying a better camera looks like a very sensible response.
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The cameras we have available to us in 2008 are so amazingly good that we don't even know what to do with them. I wonder how many of those measurebators out there really realize and appreciate what camera makers have accomplished in the past few years.

I mean, think about it for a moment. Let's just take perhaps the hottest issue in these forums, high ISO performance. Digital camera makers have accomplished way more in this area in just 2 or 3 years than film manufacturers were able to do in over 150 years! We wanted cameras that could take good pictures at 1600 and 3200 and even higher ISO levels with very little noise and they gave it to us. Just like that.

The same with exposure latitude. Slide films did not exactly get very much better in that area over 60 or 70 years, did they? Yet now we are whining about "dynamic range" with our digital cameras. What is likely to happen? They will have that fixed, too, probably within another year or two.

I'm sure there are many more things I don't have time to touch on. Oh, and one more: the cameras are way, way cheaper than they were before. So, you get lots more capability for a much lower price than was ever available before. Wow.

Good post, Bill.
 
bobinsandyeggo said:
in order for me to feel good about myself, I RELY on the validation
of people I don't know, telling me I have the best car, tv,
deodorant, watch, dishwasher, underwear, computer, and camera...and
they can prove it.

I need to know if I'm enjoying myself.
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Who do you think you are, the result of other peoples tast or opinion? Go hang yourself and wait till someone says, "a shame, so young....." Then you enyoy yourself fot eternity!

OBB
 
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