Olympus vs Canon forum = Canada vs US

If Canada = Oly as the underdog, there is much to celebrate.

What good "shots" can you get out of such a 'small' and unknown place?

Some examples:
• Avril Lavigne
• Nickelback
• Nelly Furtado
• Shania Twain
• Pamela Anderson, and other "Bare Naked Ladies"
• Sum41
• Alanis Morissette
• John Candy
• Jim Carrey
• Martin Short
• Rick Moranis
• Howie Mandel
• Dan Aykroyd
• Ed the Sock
• Red Green
• Peter Jennings
• Bryan Adams
• Sarah McLachlan
• Celine Dion
• Cirque du Soleil
• Neil Young
• Keanu Reeves
• Diana Kral
• Kiefer Sutherland
• William Shatner
• Christopher Plummer
• Terry Fox
• Ice Hockey and the Stanley Cup

• and the Grey Cup, which represents the "World Championship" of Canadian Football... won only once in its 98-year history by an American team (The Baltimore Stallions in 1995).

It looks like the BIG DOG, which = Canikon isn't creating all the pretty pictures of the world.

Wherever you come from, whatever equipment you use: shine!

--
Barry
 
The most biased anti-canadien I have ever known was a coworker who was born, raised and educated in Canada. He finally got fed up with it and moved south of the border. His parents refused to talk to him or to his wife and kids because he moved here. Oh the other fatal mistake he made was that he married an Irish woman, for some reason his family didn't like that either. Go Figure.
--
egalvan
 
The Canon forum is far more civil. They are not afraid of divergence
of opinion. We know that Olympus is beautiful; let's just relax,
tolerate divergences, say farewell to the ones that leave and welcome
new comers, even if they have not yet realised that they must have an
unfailing faith to be allowed to write here.
My friend, there will be good and bad apples in any forum. I guess you haven't been to DSLR forums much? I guess buying into a system is sort of like religion to some.

That said, there are level-headed and helpful people also. You just have to know who they are.
 
This forum can get very bad. I read all SLR forums on this site and
can say that without question, the Olympus forum is by far the worst.
You have a basic gang of "good ol' boys" followed by the "me too"
people who attack anyone with anything negative about Olympus or four
thirds. It's funny when something good is said. The "me too" people
always join the "good ol' boys" in a round of brown lips.

There was actually someone looking to buy an SLR for the first time
and was considering Olympus. He quickly changed his mind after what
he had seen on this forum. When he made a comment that was fair, he
was attacked and labeled a troll. He got very little help. He ended
up buying into another system because he found civil people who were
able to offer help and advice without being offended by questions.

I think some members in this forum like trouble. What other reason
is there form them to reply and attack to a topic they don't like and
give it life. If the "good ol' boys" would just ignore the troll
topic in the first place, then it would die and go away in a few
hours. That never seems to happen. They always attack and the topic
always tops 100 replies.

The "good ol' boys" try to rule this forum with fear. They bully
everyone because they have no real power. One member here was banned
twice and was nearly banned a third time for his comments and
replies. Some even go through your history and look any anything in
you past to attack you with. That is just sick in my opinion.

There are good members here who are very helpful. It just feels like
they are outnumbered by the bad.

I've said it before and I'll say it again.... It's just a camera
system. Olympus is not the best at everything in the world. Face it
as it is a fact. Four thirds has limits. It has very slightly lower
image quality than most DSLRs. Will you notice this on print? no,
not at all. You will only see when you pixel-peep at high ISO.
Still though, facts are facts. No need to get offended. It's only a
camera system, not a football team.
I think I read a similar thread of your in one of the forums, where you gripe about the same "me too" and "good ol' boys" groups. In any case, that is true about most DSLR forums. And no, the Olympus SLR forum isn't even the worst forum I've been to here and elsewhere.

In any case, yes, I've been surprised about the behavior of some of the people here recently, but, like you said, there are still rational and sensible people who post on this forum, and it's the same with the other forums. We just have to pick who we listen to.

I noticed you snuck in a small comment about 4/3. I'd rather wait until the consortium exhausted all technological advancements before passing judgments. 4/3 might have limits now, but may be improved on later on.
 
I am an American who thinks Canadians are patriotic and proud. They
should be. Canada is a great country with some of the finest people
anywhere. I visited Victoria last January and was treated with
courtesy and respect. I will go again. America needs the friendship
of Canada. Many great progressive political movements originate in
Canada.

I am glad you felt comfortable posting in this forum. You used many
metaphors that should get some of us to think more about how we
perceive and treat each other.

Freedom...what a concept!

Dan
--
The 'Camera'...but a tool of the 'Artist'...the creator needs but a
chalk and a slate to render immortality...
I'm a Filipino and I also think Canada is grand. :D

About the analogies, though, that's only one person's viewpoint. I find it best not to stereotype nationalities, as well as forum posters.
 
Mac guys are smug because they know they have the superior system, but always feel slightly picked on because of the dominance of the Windows juggernaut that forces mediocrity and bug-ridden software down everyone's throats.

Just replace Canon with Microsoft and Apple with Olympus, and we're almost there :).
 
Anyone who would base his or her major purchase on the atmosphere of
a freaking Internet forum is an idiot, plain and simple, no doubt
about it.
Why call him an idiot? He felt he could not get the civil help he
needed from this forum. He found a forum that had people who treated
everyone (even trolls) well. He felt he could learn more from them.
Sounds fair to me. Some people like to avoid negative things and
this forum has many negative members.
Dunno about that. I've found a myriad of helpful posts in the Olympus forum and elsewhere, which is why I decided to buy an E-510. And, really, trolls and DSLR forums don't mix. Fan boys will soon jump on his behind eventually. I'll reserve my comment about you and negativity.
Oh, please. You'll find your "good ol' boys" in ANY camera forum
here. Spend a few days in the Nikon or Canon forum; there's dozens
more there than you'll find here.
Do you post there? Birds of a feather...
And this is your idea of a post that's supposed to spread positive vibes and goodwill?
Oh, I get it, you're a striking, laid-off Hollywood writer. Now I
see why.
A well though out comment that has everything to do with my
observations and shows you are a very well educated thinker. Really
though, what does this have to do with the topic? Is this an attempt
at humor?
One member here was banned
twice and was nearly banned a third time for his comments and
replies. Some even go through your history and look any anything in
you past to attack you with. That is just sick in my opinion.
Which makes me wonder why you're here. There are, after all, other
Internet forums to play in.
What does this comment have to do with me?
Bull. (my eyes are starting to well with tears)
Another well thought out comment.
Even though your closing statement was BS, it still brought tears to
my eyes which are now running down my cheeks. I do hope you guys
settle this ridiculous strike soon, as I'm seriously missing The
Daily Show with Jon Stewart.
How old are you? This is such an odd comment that has nothing to do
with the topic at hand. I'm not sure if it is meant to be insulting
or your attempt at humor. You have done nothing but add to my point
with your "me too" post.
It just means that your offhand comment about the 4/3 system didn't go unnoticed. Nope, it's not an odd comment.
 
Anywas, I think photography often has a lot to do with community,
especially for people starting out that are trying to learn more
about it.
Agreed. I joined up several forums just for the possible help I'd be getting from the community and to help others later on.
 
If Canada = Oly as the underdog, there is much to celebrate.

What good "shots" can you get out of such a 'small' and unknown place?

Some examples:
• Avril Lavigne
• Nickelback
• Nelly Furtado
• Shania Twain
• Pamela Anderson, and other "Bare Naked Ladies"
• Sum41
• Alanis Morissette
• John Candy
• Jim Carrey
• Martin Short
• Rick Moranis
• Howie Mandel
• Dan Aykroyd
• Ed the Sock
• Red Green
• Peter Jennings
• Bryan Adams
• Sarah McLachlan
• Celine Dion
• Cirque du Soleil
• Neil Young
• Keanu Reeves
• Diana Kral
• Kiefer Sutherland
• William Shatner
• Christopher Plummer
• Terry Fox
• Ice Hockey and the Stanley Cup
• and the Grey Cup, which represents the "World Championship" of
Canadian Football... won only once in its 98-year history by an
American team (The Baltimore Stallions in 1995).

It looks like the BIG DOG, which = Canikon isn't creating all the
pretty pictures of the world.

Wherever you come from, whatever equipment you use: shine!

--
Barry
Oh, c'mon Barry! Where's Steve Nash? :)
 
Oh, c'mon Barry! Where's Steve Nash? :)
D'oh! Forgot about Steve! And I could ad that James Naismith — the founder of basketball — was born, raised and educated in Canada.

--
Barry
 
• Bryan Adams
• Celine Dion
• Keanu Reeves
• William Shatner
Oh man, when I read these four I thought you were listing reasons to
invade Canada.
LOL! No need to invade us, since the last 3 are residing in the U.S.A! Not sure where Bryan is spending his time.
--
Barry
 
Don't forget the RCMP. The "horsemen" who "always" get their "woman"...............well yes men do sometimes run afoul of the law here and our mounties always get them..................eventually. :-))

Hell our "horsemen" are so popular that I seem to recall that DISNEY bought the rights to use the familiar photo of a mounty holding a lance astride his horse.

--
Bill
 
I wholeheartedly agree with what you said as that is what I have been witnessing for last few years. These "me too" guys are actually the reason why these "good ol' boys" can bully. I have been around longer than many of these "me too" guys and noticed that there is a big tendency in many newcomers to be part of this "good ol' boys" group. Could it be their defense mechanism to protect themselves from the bullies? Can't say.

There are also a few like Effzeeone who would voice against the bullies, but they are seriously outnumbered. As you have experienced from your spat with a "me too" guy, they have too much time in hand to spend on these forums and any fight with them will be futile unless you have the time. You probably have also discovered that if you are civil, chances are that, you'll lose the battle here.

In any case, good luck with your battles. Hope people find their voices and join you to make this forum a better place.
This forum can get very bad. I read all SLR forums on this site and
can say that without question, the Olympus forum is by far the worst.
You have a basic gang of "good ol' boys" followed by the "me too"
people who attack anyone with anything negative about Olympus or four
thirds. It's funny when something good is said. The "me too" people
always join the "good ol' boys" in a round of brown lips.

There was actually someone looking to buy an SLR for the first time
and was considering Olympus. He quickly changed his mind after what
he had seen on this forum. When he made a comment that was fair, he
was attacked and labeled a troll. He got very little help. He ended
up buying into another system because he found civil people who were
able to offer help and advice without being offended by questions.

I think some members in this forum like trouble. What other reason
is there form them to reply and attack to a topic they don't like and
give it life. If the "good ol' boys" would just ignore the troll
topic in the first place, then it would die and go away in a few
hours. That never seems to happen. They always attack and the topic
always tops 100 replies.

The "good ol' boys" try to rule this forum with fear. They bully
everyone because they have no real power. One member here was banned
twice and was nearly banned a third time for his comments and
replies. Some even go through your history and look any anything in
you past to attack you with. That is just sick in my opinion.

There are good members here who are very helpful. It just feels like
they are outnumbered by the bad.

I've said it before and I'll say it again.... It's just a camera
system. Olympus is not the best at everything in the world. Face it
as it is a fact. Four thirds has limits. It has very slightly lower
image quality than most DSLRs. Will you notice this on print? no,
not at all. You will only see when you pixel-peep at high ISO.
Still though, facts are facts. No need to get offended. It's only a
camera system, not a football team.
 
really? When I was on the panasonic boards, I was overly impressed
with the community, and becuase of that I was eager to join it by
getting a panasonic camera. Why does that make me an idiot?
Because you were influenced by unknown people as opposed to making
your own educated decisions. You were probably one of those who
walks into a forum and asks, "Should I buy a Panasonic or a Pentax?"
You found the community to be a great big Panny Love-In, and to
become a member, you bought yourself a Panny. You were then a
card-carrying member of the commune. Just like you are here,
apparently.
They're not unknown people if you converse with them any significant amount. And yes I am one of those people who walked into a forum and asked advice to which camera would suite my needs/wants. And believe it or not some forums give some great answers, believe it or not the pany board isn't afraid to refer me to the Fuji F20/F30/F31 for low light PnS's, or to a non-Pany DSLR if that's what better suits the poster.

I guess I was a card carrying pany fan, they make great PnS's, what's wrong with that? I had a nikon before that, and a pentax after that, what's the big deal?
I know
many people that got a camera due to the helpfulness and also results
posted on forums.
But from DPR? You've GOT to be kidding me. How many is many? I'd
never even heard of this chat slum until after I bought my camera.
Nobody held my wittle hand. If I had, I probably would have ended up
with a Canon!
Each forum has it's own personality/tone, and there WAS many. Frankly a camera can be a difficult thing to learn, and sometimes having a near realtime support group is a really handy thing. Panasonic cameras as of late have had some weak points namely very poor NR (venus 3 engine), the forum is very good at both advising against such cameras for some people, and also ways to work around it. Perhaps the forums here at DPR that you frequent aren't like that. I don't doubt it, most other boards here arent the same as the pany board, I kinda miss it ;)
Here's the MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT: Hey Oly forum! I did NOT buy my Oly
gear because I was influenced by you or because of the photos posted
by you! I made up my own mind that Oly was the right gear for me,
THEN I joined the forum! I am so sorry!
So, how did you do your research? Purely on reviews? That's fine, or maybe you tried the cameras in a store? Or just trolled forums? or maybe you bought all the cameras and returned the ones you didn't like. Either way, it doesn't matter, if that worked for you that's great. Some people can't afford to buy every camera. And some people DO read reviews, but then need to ask people if the reviews were fair, or explain something that may have came up in the review but didn't make sense. That's why these forums are good.
Frankly, if I see great results from a camera on a given forum, and I
can ask questions about the camera prior to buying it, and get great
feedback both positive and negative. then i see no reason why
someone is an idiot for choosing that brand of camera...
I don't either. But you can see the same results on ANY given forum.
So, Virginia, how does one make up their mind in buying a camera? I
see fantastic shots on ANY forum here, and I know there are fantastic
people in those forums.

In the end, however, one becomes a sheep, with Canon being the
biggest flock of all. The other little lambs; you know, us, the
sickly skinny ones with club hoofs and smelly dirty wool end up here,
or other less popular camera forums.
Why does it need to be that way? I've owned many brands, and have used even more, I can see the benefits of all of the cameras I've used. Why do you think everyone has to be as narrow minded as you?

My Nikon CP5000 was a great camera, had RAW support with a firmware upgrade. The lens was sharp, and it took great photos, the side flip screen was divine. But the thing was SLOWWWW, slow AF, no AF-Assit lamp, Raw write times were around 12 seconds, the UI was horrid, press this button turn that knob for everything.

The FZ50 had an amazing lens, great resolution, quick RAW write times (given the 23+MB raw files), great UI, halfway good flip screen, but DR/noise was poor, and no raw buffer.

The *ist D was a great sized SLR, image quality was ok, and camera response was ok, my len's were the weakest link, and the raw buffer got full real quick, image review on RAW files were super slow, the view finder even with a Katz eye was difficult for MF.

The e-510 is a great sized camera with great features, like IS, antidust, live view, though still has a bit of a problem with metering, Auto white balance indoors is poor (the FZ50 was great at this, the nikon not so much, the pentax was always wrong), not that it matters much since i shoot RAW always. the live view is less effective since it has no contrast detect or a flip screen, but still handy for tripod MF shots of still objects. The zuiko lens lineup is solid, with a well laid out and full lens selection. I like that I can pick a "Grade" and know what i'm getting in terms of IQ and build quality.

Either way, all my cameras I've had have had strengths and weaknesses, but if someone had a certain need, I would definately recommend them to another brand than Oly if it suited them better...
Why by a camera if only to post on these chat forums?
Some people may find it a hobby, posting about their hobby doesn't seem like a stretch.. I'm not necessarily in that group.
Do you
actually print out your photography?
Yes
Do you actually sell your work?
Yes
Or do you just hang here, posting your kids and cats and pray for a
10?
If I had kids or cats I might do that too, do I pray for a 10, of course... what's wrong with that?

--
Cloverdale, B.C., Canada
Olympus e-510
http://joesiv.smugmug.com
 
Dear Dawg
In the Olympus forum, people are extremely sensitive to what the
Canon guys are saying. They see trolls everywhere. They secretly envy
the Canon ISO 3200. I think many Olympus users have an inferiority
complex, that is quite unjustified.
How true... Psychologists should study dpreview forums; some could
write their masters' or PhD theses on it, LOL...
I am. (see profile).

--
kindest regards, john from Australia.

http://canopuscomputing.com.au/gallery2/main.php
 

Keyboard shortcuts

Back
Top