Guess which one is HDR?

[Xargo]

The definition of HDR requires the photo to include the same DR than the subject. If single RAW file has the whole DR of the scene, you can say it's HDR. Otherwise it's not. I call shots developed like this "pseudo-hdr".

It's a great shot though and to answer your question the second photo seems like pseudo-hdr.

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[Miroslav Kral1]

For the same reasons I voted No. 1. Clock and clouds.
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[aaronbeach]

I've done quite a few b&w "artificial" multi-exposure HDR with photomatix - and while I may be wrong, #2 looks just that style

 

[Lobby Ludd]

4 sure.

 

[Brian Mosley]

I'm aware that this is a 'pseudo HDR' image... in that I'm attempting to access more of the Dynamic Range stored within the RAW image, through (ideally) multiple RAW conversions, combined into a tonemapped final image.

I think that the superb Relight tool, within Lightzone makes this possible... my only problem is in getting the source image. Unfortunately, the output from Photomatix is in floating point tiff - which only Photoshop (aaargh!) seems to be able to open!

Photomatix can save an Averaged image to normal tif though... which is what I used as my starting point for one of the images here.

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[Xargo]

I think that the superb Relight tool, within Lightzone makes this
possible... my only problem is in getting the source image.
Unfortunately, the output from Photomatix is in floating point tiff -
which only Photoshop (aaargh!) seems to be able to open!

Well, if you feel really geeky, you could try using Matlab. You can use all kinds of bizarre tools provided by "Image Processing Toolbox". I mostly use Matlab for experimenting with NR filters, Fourier analysis and stuff. You can also use Matlab for format changes.

I tried Photomatix but didn't really like the results. Now I use Photoshop's own "Merge to HDR" tool but I see you have mastered the Photomatix a lot better than me.

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[Brian Mosley]

Number 1...

Here it is again : developed from Photomatix HDR combination of 3 exposures.



and here's my latest attempt from Lightzone without HDR...



and here's the starting image, developed from RAW using Master 2.0 to the best of my ability. Notice the huge loss of detail!



How amazing is LightZone?

And would anyone like to have a go with Lightroom? I'm happy to share the RAW file... just e-mail me through my profile.

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[Thomas Kolenich]

You are right. You can see the numbers on the clock on the HDR images. In the original, the are blown out. Great excercise.
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[Xargo]

I could have sworn that number two would be "hdr". Looks like Lightzone is very capable tool indeed.

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[Brian Mosley]

...in the Dynamic Range of the E-400's sensor. It's just a case of accessing the full tonality available in the RAW file.

I'm going to do everything possible to have the Lightzone team give us multiple RAW Adjustment layers... it will make Lightzone an essential tool for many.

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[tex]

This exercise has opened my eyes to how powerful the standard tools
are within Lightzone right now.

and look how people were fooled. but they shouldn't feel foolish! i keep telling everyone what a cool piece of software LZ is, but pictures speak 1000 words. well done, my friend. i'm envious, as my website won't launch until december [and may only be a shell then...] so i can't follow your lead with other examples.

As you may know, I've been campaigning for multiple RAW converter
layers within Lightzone... and I still think that will give even
greater access to the full dynamic range available in RAW.

i just saw that on the LZ forums this evening....good luck. but it would be pretty cool. i have to say thought that with some mastery there's already a ton of power in this program as is. we're all still getting used to the new improved relight tool---so much so everyone's seemed to have forgotten about the zonemapper!

I know that for true HDR imaging, you need to have multiple exposures

• but I'm uneasy with how that might affect overall image sharpness

and pixel level detail,

yeah, well that's the catch, innit! that's why uwe has been obsessing about that 40D's frame rate.

so it's more interesting to me to see how
much of the RAW image data can be accessed. I think Lightzone is
simply incredible in this regard. The Relight tool is phenomenal,
especially when you learn the subtleties of how the layers are
applied using multiply / screen etc.

yeah! all them dang drop-downs which used to not be so usable suddenly are! the range of combinations is incredible.

 

[Brian Mosley]

The Lightcraft support contact has given me some feedback on my request, and I'm now just waiting for Fabio to consider the enhancement (which I requested some months ago)

This is just the sort of thing which is newsworthy, I feel... and would boost lightzone right ahead of the pack. Especially when you consider how important Dynamic Range is becoming... it's already been compared with an albatross(!)

I think I've already shown that Lightzone is the tool to use, to squeeze the greatest Dynamic Range from your Olympus RAW files. What we could have, with this mod is eye popping power!

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[gianstam]

The definition of HDR requires the photo to include the same DR than
the subject. If single RAW file has the whole DR of the scene, you
can say it's HDR. Otherwise it's not. I call shots developed like
this "pseudo-hdr".

It's a great shot though and to answer your question the second photo
seems like pseudo-hdr.

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At last a correct answer. There is a big confusion between tone curve settings and DR of the pic.

 

[D Q E]

If HDR is this subtle, does it make a lot of differnce?

HDR subtle?

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[Brian Mosley]

Hi gianstam,

The definition of HDR requires the photo to include the same DR than
the subject. If single RAW file has the whole DR of the scene, you
can say it's HDR. Otherwise it's not. I call shots developed like
this "pseudo-hdr".

It's a great shot though and to answer your question the second photo
seems like pseudo-hdr.

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Summicron-R, 40-150mm F3.5-4.5, FL36, EC-14, 2x Leica-R extender

At last a correct answer. There is a big confusion between tone curve
settings and DR of the pic.

I don't think I'm confused (but I may be! lol). I'm looking at practical ways in which we can access the greater Dynamic Range recorded in the RAW data file.

I'm absolutely certain (and have illustrated through this exercise) that conventional RAW converters do not give access to the full tonal range offered by the RAW file. Lightzone does a cracking job, and I'm really excited that with a strategic tweak, it could be outstanding in the market place - I'm still waiting for a reply from Fabio, but even as it stands, Lightzone is definitely the way to go if you want the best DR from your Oly RAW files imho.

If anyone would like to propose another RAW converter which does a better job I'd be happy to supply the RAW file to them - just e-mail me through my profile.

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As I say, the wrong light, the wrong
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[gianstam]

Hi gianstam,

Re: Tone curves access DR - if you can't access it, you don't have it.

Absolutely right.

I don't think I'm confused (but I may be! lol). I'm looking at
practical ways in which we can access the greater Dynamic Range
recorded in the RAW data file.

I'm sure you are not. less or more all of us we know each other.

I'm absolutely certain (and have illustrated through this exercise)
that conventional RAW converters do not give access to the full tonal
range offered by the RAW file. Lightzone does a cracking job, and I'm
really excited that with a strategic tweak, it could be outstanding
in the market place - I'm still waiting for a reply from Fabio, but
even as it stands, Lightzone is definitely the way to go if you want
the best DR from your Oly RAW files imho.

If anyone would like to propose another RAW converter which does a
better job I'd be happy to supply the RAW file to them - just e-mail
me through my profile.

Kind Regards

Brian

My post just said that one pic does not gives HDR result. Anyway because it's very difficult to set the correct tone curve I'd like me to have your skills on the PP.

Final, I only use UFRAW (DCRAW) trying set the tone curve for my needs. Unfortunatly I don't do the job anytime.

 

[DLGW]

No text here.

 

[Miroslav Kral1]

..for guessing is satisfaction for being right. )
Right?
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[Brian Mosley]

It's really easy to apply that style to any of your other shots... saves loads of time!



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