Japan Wide Open with a 5D

... in the "Total Light" part, where you argue that a correctly exposed ISO 1600 image in good light, will have less noise than a correctly exposed ISO 100 image in low light... maybe you should think a little more about that :)
 
...and one that deserves a thorough answer. You are correct: the
24mm is not, and cannot be 16mm. And that's a big deal. A real big
deal, actually. However, f / 2.8 cannot be f / 1.4, either, and
that's what I learned on this trip: f / 1.4 at 24mm is worth more to
me than f / 2.8 at 16mm.
Joe, did you discover, like I did when I lived in Japan, that photography in Japan almost demands fast lenses?

I say this because one of the most cuss-inspiring things I found out about Japan in mid-summer is that dawn occurs around 4:30am. For those who do math, yes, that means the Sun rapidly disappears around 5-6 pm year round. Little earlier in winter, a little later in mid summer.

So for anyone out on the streets during the afternoon and especially evening, fast glass nearly becomes a requirement.

It also means less ambient light coming in doors, not that I expect the average Japanese home to be brightly lit either.

Was your experiences the same?
 
Joe, did you discover, like I did when I lived in Japan, that
photography in Japan almost demands fast lenses?

I say this because one of the most cuss-inspiring things I found out
about Japan in mid-summer is that dawn occurs around 4:30am. For
those who do math, yes, that means the Sun rapidly disappears around
5-6 pm year round. Little earlier in winter, a little later in mid
summer.

So for anyone out on the streets during the afternoon and especially
evening, fast glass nearly becomes a requirement.

It also means less ambient light coming in doors, not that I expect
the average Japanese home to be brightly lit either.

Was your experiences the same?
Actually, it wasn't my experience at all. Tokyo is only 3 degrees further North than San Diego, so there's little difference there. And, while I did travel a lot further North than that, it still wasn't anything I noticed one way or another.

I tend to use fast lenses more for shallow DOF than I do shutter speed -- I don't mind stepping up the ISO to get more DOF, although, sometimes, the light is so low, that's not an option. But, of course, it's pretty rare that I want a deeper DOF! : )

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I like your style, but that doesn't mean that I'll buy a 5D and fast
primes. Maybe I could afford it, but I can't justify to spend that
kind of money, "just" for that. If I want shallow DOF, then I'll have
to frame a little tighter than you do. With 20D and Tamron 17-50/2,8
I'll get the same DOF as you at f/2,8, if I frame 1,6x tighter, and
if I frame 3,2x tighter, I'll get the DOF you gets with f/1,4. It's
not the same, of course, but it will have to do, for now anyway.
Try picking up an 85 / 1.8 -- it's releatively inexpensive and was my most used on the 20D. It will give a very shallow DOF on 1.6x wide open.
I can see that you have updated the conclusion in your essay, but in
the first part there is some incorrect calculations, about f-stop and
ISO-values. It should be :

1) 17-55/2,8 ISO 50-3200 on 1,6x
2) 27-88/4,5 ISO 128-8200 on FF

1) 24-105/4 ISO 50-3200 on FF
2) 15-66/2,5 ISO 20-1250 on 1,6x
Corrected. Thanks for pointing out the error!
.. and as I've said, I don't like it much, when you say that my
FOV/exposure interpretation of "equivalent lenses" is "incorrect"..
They are incorrect per the definition of "equivalence" that I give. Of course, feel free to write your own essay and give a different definition -- it would be par for the course with all the conflicting definitions of exposure that I read! : )

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... in the "Total Light" part, where you argue that a correctly
exposed ISO 1600 image in good light, will have less noise than a
correctly exposed ISO 100 image in low light... maybe you should
think a little more about that :)
Yeah, I've been discussing this with a few people. I'm pretty sure I'm right, though. Victor (vor) was assuming that I meant for the same scene, but I must have worded that part poorly. I just mean that there are circumstances where one image at higher ISOs will be less noisy than an image at lower ISOs.

I base that on the editing of my images, where I sometimes use more NR on low ISO images than high ISO images, as well as the fact that it's entirely reasonable to believe that there are times that high ISOs in good light will still gather more total light than lower ISOs in poor light.

But, as I've said, I'm working more on processing images right now than on the equivalence essay.

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I can see that you have updated the conclusion in your essay, but in
the first part there is some incorrect calculations, about f-stop and
ISO-values. It should be :

1) 17-55/2,8 ISO 50-3200 on 1,6x
2) 27-88/4,5 ISO 128-8200 on FF

1) 24-105/4 ISO 50-3200 on FF
2) 15-66/2,5 ISO 20-1250 on 1,6x
Corrected. Thanks for pointing out the error!
Well, except that it still says 15-66/1,8 instead of 15-66/2,5 .. I'm not being pedantic here, just trying to be helpful!
.. and as I've said, I don't like it much, when you say that my
FOV/exposure interpretation of "equivalent lenses" is "incorrect"..
They are incorrect per the definition of "equivalence" that I give.
Of course, feel free to write your own essay and give a different
definition -- it would be par for the course with all the conflicting
definitions of exposure that I read! : )
Good idea. I might do just that! :)
 
Quoting Joe:

"So, I am not a versatile photographer, but a niche photographer"

This is exactly what it's all about. We want to differentiate our images from the others, so if everybody uses zooms with relatively large(r) DOF, the niche photographer should move to the fastest primes available. The pictures created (assuming a skilled photographer) would be different than the average Joe (not in this case -:) )

Dror

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Really nice shallow dof photos! Japan is a wonderful place for taking photos, isn't it? I lived in Tokyo for 5 years and also have traveled all over Japan on many trips over the years. Also, wonderful people. I'll probably be back in Tokyo for a few months this fall and I'm looking forward to taking more photos, checking out the gear at Yodobashi and Bic Camera, and meeting friends at the izakaya. :-) I travel a lot, but Japan is like my second home so I keep going back there.

Joe, I don't want to post any photos in your thread, but if you are interested in some more Japan photos you can check out my gallery.

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Corrected. Thanks for pointing out the error!
Well, except that it still says 15-66/1,8 instead of 15-66/2,5 .. I'm
not being pedantic here, just trying to be helpful!
Corrected again! And, by the way, thank you! Please don't hesitate to point out mistakes I make, although, with the number of them I do make, that can get tiresome, for sure! : )
.. and as I've said, I don't like it much, when you say that my
FOV/exposure interpretation of "equivalent lenses" is "incorrect"..
They are incorrect per the definition of "equivalence" that I give.
Of course, feel free to write your own essay and give a different
definition -- it would be par for the course with all the conflicting
definitions of exposure that I read! : )
Good idea. I might do just that! :)
Well, it's not like there's only one take on religion, economics, politics, etc., either! : )

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Really nice shallow dof photos! Japan is a wonderful place for
taking photos, isn't it? I lived in Tokyo for 5 years and also have
traveled all over Japan on many trips over the years. Also,
wonderful people. I'll probably be back in Tokyo for a few months
this fall and I'm looking forward to taking more photos, checking out
the gear at Yodobashi and Bic Camera, and meeting friends at the
izakaya. :-) I travel a lot, but Japan is like my second home so I
keep going back there.
I've never been able to visit Japan in the fall, and that's probably the best time!
Joe, I don't want to post any photos in your thread, but if you are
interested in some more Japan photos you can check out my gallery.
I think you're just a little bit more travelled than I. : ) I checked out a few of the galleries (no time right now for all), but I already have a complaint: post bigger pics! I even think my size pics are too small, but I had a thread a little while back asking what people would think about larger, and the vast majority were against it, so I'm keeping them as is.

But just like breasts, quality is paramount, but for the same quality, bigger is better! : )

Anyway, please don't ever hesitate to hijack one of my threads with your own pics. If you have a few that you really like and want to add, please do! But, if I might ask -- post larger! : )

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Quoting Joe:

"So, I am not a versatile photographer, but a niche photographer"

This is exactly what it's all about. We want to differentiate our
images from the others, so if everybody uses zooms with relatively
large(r) DOF, the niche photographer should move to the fastest
primes available. The pictures created (assuming a skilled
photographer) would be different than the average Joe (not in this
case -:) )
Actually, it's true that many like to differentiate themselves from others (probably more a cultural thing than a human thing, however), and I'm no different, that's not why I like shallow DOF. If everyone were shooting shallow DOF, I wouldn't then shoot deep DOF to be different, just as if everyone had a skinny busty girlfriend, I wouldn't go for a flat and chunky honey for myself.

Sure, I like to be different, but I mainly just follow my own interests regardless of what others are doing. Sometimes I follow, sometimes I lead, but mostly I'm just having a good time on and off the path. : )

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... about finding a way to make money in Nihon...

Difficult for an outsider unless you can truly speak Nihongo. Regarding English teaching... bad business, especially these days with the Nova fiasco hitting the front page. However, if you really want to do it one thing I've noticed is that the demand in the Nagano area is still there. Most young foreigners want the big city so the countryside could still be lacking English speaking talent.

If you wife is still a Japanese citizen you will of course be able to get spouse visa... which frees you up to do almost any kind of work. But again, the language skill must be there.... Gambarimashou...
 
Not true. I worked in Japan for 2 years in a high-tech job without knowing hardly any Japanese to begin with. Granted, I had intensive instruction once I arrived (not required but my choice) in addition to daily life experience, but no problem.

I met a guy once from France who left France, landed in Japan, and started looking for a job right then and there, and found one. Again, in high-tech. I don't think he knew any Japanese.

Not saying its easy to find a job in Japan, but if approached the right way with the proper focus, I believe it is doable.
... about finding a way to make money in Nihon...

Difficult for an outsider unless you can truly speak Nihongo.
Regarding English teaching... bad business, especially these days
with the Nova fiasco hitting the front page. However, if you really
want to do it one thing I've noticed is that the demand in the Nagano
area is still there. Most young foreigners want the big city so the
countryside could still be lacking English speaking talent.

If you wife is still a Japanese citizen you will of course be able to
get spouse visa... which frees you up to do almost any kind of work.
But again, the language skill must be there.... Gambarimashou...
 
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... about finding a way to make money in Nihon...

Difficult for an outsider unless you can truly speak Nihongo.
Regarding English teaching... bad business, especially these days
with the Nova fiasco hitting the front page.
JET, I think, limits participants joining to 40 years of age, and its now up to 5 years (extended from 3), and this would be the way to go if you just want to live easily here for a period.
If you wife is still a Japanese citizen you will of course be able to
get spouse visa... which frees you up to do almost any kind of work.
But again, the language skill must be there.... Gambarimashou...
In Joe's case it would all be up to his language ability. There are enough companies that have photogs working events for them (local events, hired out to shoot for the schools on their field days, and even tag along for this school overnight trips!) that he could easily get a job... if he were flexible with his standards (meaning, zoom + flash, though your boss might be sympathetic). This is something I am considering in the next year, but only if I can't find a city which doesn't already have a private teacher.

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-CW
 
Joe,

How often did you have to manual-focus? Did you bracket at all? I'm interested in getting the 50L, but am a bit concerned about the reported/rumoured focus issues. I'm very spoiled by my 85L-II's accuate (albeit slow) focus.

Thx,

Sabesh.
 
Nice pics

Read thru some of the responses and don't get what the big deal is about you having shot all wide open

Here's my 2 cents:

Really like that tricycle shot - has a slight miniature model look to it (to me)

And the lady and child walking image - nice

Least appealing to me was the first image, the mopeders - personally didn't find the angle "interesting"

For the night shot of the store front, I wish the lamps weren't blownout - perhaps better(???) if bracketed and combined into a HDR so that the lamps not as blowout maybe???

Also the umbrella shot, while I liked the color (and lack there of), it just didn't do anything for me - maybe if the umbrellas had been shot from oblique angle then the shallow dof could have come into play, but straight on, it's missing something (for me)

Curious as to what post-processing you did (generally - not asking for every step) for these photos - specifically the old guy on the bicycle, how "far away" is that from straight out of the camera?

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In Joe's case it would all be up to his language ability.
Which is limited, and that's being kind. : )
There are enough companies that have photogs working events for them
(local events, hired out to shoot for the schools on their field days, and
even tag along for this school overnight trips!) that he could easily
get a job... if he were flexible with his standards (meaning, zoom +
flash, though your boss might be sympathetic). This is something I
am considering in the next year, but only if I can't find a city
which doesn't already have a private teacher.
I don't think I can work as a photographer. It's a fun hobby, but not a profitable job. As for teaching English, well, neither my cup o' tea nor my strength. My best chance is to teach at an international school or on a military base, or so we feel.

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Nice pics
Thanks!
Read thru some of the responses and don't get what the big deal is
about you having shot all wide open
Just that I think, for some of the pics, at least, it's an unusual take.
Here's my 2 cents:

Really like that tricycle shot - has a slight miniature model look to
it (to me)

And the lady and child walking image - nice
Funny! I like the trike shot a lot, but the woman and child walking pic ranks towards the bottom for me! : )
Least appealing to me was the first image, the mopeders - personally
didn't find the angle "interesting"
I agree it's the least appealing, but not due to the angle -- I don't like the distractions in the image. However, cropping them out only makes it worse. I still like it, though, but, as you, it is the least appealing for me.
For the night shot of the store front, I wish the lamps weren't
blownout - perhaps better(???) if bracketed and combined into a HDR
so that the lamps not as blowout maybe???
No question about that!
Also the umbrella shot, while I liked the color (and lack there of),
it just didn't do anything for me - maybe if the umbrellas had been
shot from oblique angle then the shallow dof could have come into
play, but straight on, it's missing something (for me)
I actually have another shot of different umbrellas with shallow DOF and an oblique angle, but I don't like it nearly as much. Probably largely due to the lack of colors in that pic as compared to the posted pic, and also it seemed, ironically, that the shallow DOF didn't work as well in that one.
Curious as to what post-processing you did (generally - not asking
for every step) for these photos - specifically the old guy on the
bicycle, how "far away" is that from straight out of the camera?
Interesting you should ask about the bicycle pic in particular, as it had the least amount of PP of the lot! : ) I just did my standard procedure, but to varying degrees, which I've outlined here:

http://www.pbase.com/joemama/editing

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I don't think I can work as a photographer. It's a fun hobby, but
not a profitable job.
Ah, but thats the thing, this isn't "wedding photographer" ala the western independent (or even the Japanese independent who shoot MF for seijin shiki / 3-5-7 or the infant as samurai/sumo shots) who needs to run the business themselves with all the overhead, but working for one of the many local "shops" that sells their services by shooting local events and selling the prints (in the case of larger towns, all of the school have deals with different stores, and when the prints are done, they are numbered and left on the walls of the schools for the kids to order prints). They come in teams of two for the larger events, and send out a single photographer for the formal class shots and the school trips. Its also a matter of taking as many shots with as many people (identifiable) as possible since the prints are the bread and butter. This is a "salaryman" type job though, profitable as any 9-5 at least.

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