c2100 vs. c700

[cutman]

I just got back from CompUSA, where I tested both the c700 and c2100. My biggest worry before going in was that the c2100 would be too big...but that wasn't the case at all! In fact, I was surprised at how small most the of the cameras in the store were. The Sony DSC-F707, for example, is tiny!!

I have one final question...the c2100 didn't seem to focus well, and I didn't see a manual focus on it. Was it probably because of the weird lighting in the store, or because it is a display model that has been handled many times by many different people, or what? The focus on the c2100 is usually pretty good, right?

By this time next week, I might have a new camera! Thanks.

Richard

 

['UZ'pShoot'ERS']

I just got back from CompUSA, where I tested both the c700 and
c2100. My biggest worry before going in was that the c2100 would
be too big...but that wasn't the case at all! In fact, I was
surprised at how small most the of the cameras in the store were.
The Sony DSC-F707, for example, is tiny!!

Yeah it's a nice 5x for twice as much but the colors it produces seem to be neon in comparison to most also...do a search for grass shots from that camera...

I have one final question...the c2100 didn't seem to focus well,
and I didn't see a manual focus on it. Was it probably because of
the weird lighting in the store, or because it is a display model
that has been handled many times by many different people, or what?

Quit possibly all of the above...For all you know the MACRO function might've been active & you could've been out of it's macro ranges...I can't imagine there's a better auto focus out there...You do have to halfpress the shutter though for it to focus unless the Continuous autofocus is set to be on..The flourescent WB setting probably would be a good idea in a place like that too but more for better color than focus.....There's a relatively easy way to get the manual focus but it's not readily available unless you know a little more about it's buttons & general function control...I don't use it but tried it yesterday with help from BobS when we were comming home from a shoot....it's actually pretty easy....

The focus on the c2100 is usually pretty good, right?

I love it due to my lack of manual function knowledge & basic photography principles....Until recently I've been strictly a "P" or on occaision Spec"P" shooter...But the past few outing's I've been doin "A" mode...Gee I might have to change my name to UZI "A" Shooter...LOL

By this time next week, I might have a new camera! Thanks.

Good Luck...& have a nice trip

Richard

--'Happy Shootin' !!!UZ'P'Shooter http://www.pbase.com/rrawzz http://www.pbase.com/otfgallery/uzpshooterMe & My UZI, Strollin Down The Avenue. Me & My UZI, Focusin On Somethin New. To 'UZe' Or Not To 'UZe'? That 'IS' The Question. Weather It 'IS' Nobler To Suffer Natures Outrageous Slings & Arrows? Or Go With Adobe? That's My Story & I'm Stickin To It. Take It Or Leave It

 

[Inigo Montoya]

Based on this article:
http://www.mav-magazine.com/Jun2000/FigureofMerit/

to compare max zoom (optical) and CCD pixels you can use the formula:
(focal length)^2 * # of pixels. For the Uzi that comes out as:

(380)^2 * (1600x1200) = 277,248,000,000 (277.2 billion)

From Phil's specs here on the G2 we get:

(102)^2 * (2272x1704) = 40,278,961,152 (40.2 billion)

With a 2x teleconverter (6x total zoom):

(204)^2 * (2272x1704) = 161,115,844,608 (161.1 billion)

You'd need a little better than a 2.6x teleconverter on the G2
to "optically" capture the same number of pixels at max zoom that
the Uzi can. Of course there are teleconverters that can be used
with the Uzi as well. Just a B300 at 1.7x bumps that total up to
over 801 billion, never mind all the killer stacked combos, 5x eagle eyes,
etc. Come in below/closer than 290mm equivalent focal length however,
and the G2 with a 2x teleconverter takes over. Uzi still wins for everything
beyond 144mm if no telecon is used on the G2.

http://samples.dpreview.com/gallery/canong2_samples1/Originals/010816-1646-56 . jpg

remove the space before jpg

there are time that high res is hard to beat...but it come with a
price, G2 is twice the price, plus you need to buy a teleconverter,
but its a nice camera for quality of image.

with a telephoto its 6x but can the high resolution compensate for
the remaining between 6x and 10x? maybe yes?

Hello everyone, I am trying to decide what camera to buy, and I
need some advice. I am going on a trip to Alaska, and I want to
get a good digital camera with a nice zoom so that I can take some
good pictures of the wildlife. The 10x zoom on the c700 caught my
attention, but the 2.1 megapixels scared me because I'm not sure if
that is good quality.

Don't be scared about only having 2.1 megapixels, certainly not if
your camera has a 10X zoom, because:
1) If you need more than 5X, your picture will turn out to have
more pixels in the final picture than any normal 3X optical zoom
camera with 3 or 4 megapixel CCD's. Why? Because those cameras need
to zoom digitally to get beyond 3X, and digitally zooming = huge
pixel losses.
2) If you need no optical zoom (like a landscape taken at full
wide), just use the pano function and stitch some pics together.
Easy as 1 2 3! By doing so, your image can have as much or more
pixels than a 3 or 4 megapixel camera. See this example of 4
pictures stitched together (image size: 4972x968=4812896 pixels):

While inquiring about the c700, others suggested that I take a look
at the c2100. It has been discontinued, but I found it for
$500...which is cheaper than the c700. Both have the same zoom and
same amout of megapixels.

Prices are comparable indeed. Some say that the c700 is cheaper,
but then they forget that the UZi comes with a charger, a remote,
batteries... If you take these items into account, the UZi is still
a little cheaper I guess.

Any suggestions?

Yes, I do: go for the UZi. That IS works: in low light situations
and/or at full tele, you'll need it. And even if you are one of
those 'lucky few' that can take a sharp 10X shot handheld: your
PERCENTAGE of succeeded pics will certainly be much higher with IS.
And don't forget: when photographing wildlife, even at full tele
you may not get a 2nd chance to get a sharp picture.

Thanks.

You're welcome.

Richard

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['UZ'pShoot'ERS']

Mostly kidding But had to clarify a few discrepancies...--'Happy Shootin' !!!UZ'P'Shooter http://www.pbase.com/rrawzz http://www.pbase.com/otfgallery/uzpshooterMe & My UZI, Strollin Down The Avenue. Me & My UZI, Focusin On Somethin New. To 'UZe' Or Not To 'UZe'? That 'IS' The Question. Weather It 'IS' Nobler To Suffer Natures Outrageous Slings & Arrows? Or Go With Adobe? That's My Story & I'm Stickin To It. Take It Or Leave It

 

[michel58672]

By the way, did you receive my question about the A50 ?

Daniella,
Et ma question ? est-elle arrivée sur ton mail ? Tant pis, je la pose ici :
Voici mon mail d'hier :

I write to your mail instead of the Olympus forum for the obvious reason below (not a oly question) :

I was browsing your pics at Pbase and understood that you had a Canon A50. I am seeking a camera to complement my E100RS, that is mainly a wide angle and very little. And cheap. I had decided that the A50 should be what I need, but it seems difficult to find nowadays. Can you tell me which price you would consider correct for a used A50. Do you think it is still a good camera for indoor and landscape shots (because of the wide angle). Is the flash strong enough ? How is the battery life ? And finally which (cheap - no D7) 28mm camera would you have to complement an E100RS, with the main constraint being as wide angle as possible - I would love a 28 ? I can't find better than Oly 3000,3020,3030 which are 32x96. Am I wrong ? Please Daniella, answer if you have enough time, Thank you anyway for the superb pics,
Michel

 

[Dwight1973]

The 2100 focuses great for me. Maybe like Mr. P Shooter mentioned the macro might have been turned on and the camera was out of it's focus range. My 2100 has never had a problem focusing so I would guess that would be the culprit.

I just got back from CompUSA, where I tested both the c700 and
c2100. My biggest worry before going in was that the c2100 would
be too big...but that wasn't the case at all! In fact, I was
surprised at how small most the of the cameras in the store were.
The Sony DSC-F707, for example, is tiny!!

I have one final question...the c2100 didn't seem to focus well,
and I didn't see a manual focus on it. Was it probably because of
the weird lighting in the store, or because it is a display model
that has been handled many times by many different people, or what?
The focus on the c2100 is usually pretty good, right?

By this time next week, I might have a new camera! Thanks.

Richard

 

[Inigo Montoya]

Wouldn't the Pro90 be the closest thing to an Uzi if you couldn't
get one? Same 10x image stabilized lens? See my other response
about the "effective" zoom range of the G2 and a 2x converter.
At 204mm max, it only gets you out to about the equivalent of the
Uzi at 290mm once the G2's extra pixels are accounted for. The Pro90
would get you all the way out to 380mm.

Thanks for all the great responses. I'm sorry about bringing up
this topic again...I should have searched before asking the
question!

It sounds like the c2100 will be my best bet, but I have one more
question: Are there any cameras on the horizon that would be worth
considering? I have a few months before I must get a camera, so
atleast a little bit of time is on my side. Any idea if a camera
with atleast a 10x zoom and maybe 3 megapixels might come out
before now and summer?

Thanks again.

Richard

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[Dwight1973]

The 3030 is 28mm, I have one and love it, takes great pictures.

And finally which (cheap

• no D7) 28mm camera would you have to complement an E100RS, with

the main constraint being as wide angle as possible - I would love
a 28 ? I can't find better than Oly 3000,3020,3030 which are 32x96.
Am I wrong ? Please Daniella, answer if you have enough time, Thank
you anyway for the superb pics,
Michel

 

[Inigo Montoya]

You can get the camera now and enjoy shooting with it and if
something comes along in the future you can EBay it and get most,
if not all of your money back.

I wouldn't be too sure about that. The Uzi is popular now at $500
because most other cameras in the same class still cost a lot more.
What happens to the Uzi's value when say, a $999 F707 has been
displaced by a new model and can also be had at that price?

At max optical zoom, the F707 is roughly equal to the Uzi at 304mm
after accounting for its extra pixels. And closer in, it takes the lead in
terms of putting pixels on the subject.

There are probably other models that the same will happen to. Each new one
will be more competition for the Uzi in the used camera market and will likely
drive its price down further.

 

[Juli Valley]

I checked the resellersratings.com and couldn't find it there. -- http://www.pbase.com/julivalley/galleries21oo , B-3oo3o4oJuli

 

[Dwight1973]

Thats why I said get the camera, check PMA to see what's coming out. If he sees something announced at PMA he wants, sell the 2100 on EBay. I really seriously doubt that in less than 3 week's time the prices are going to change that drastically.

You can get the camera now and enjoy shooting with it and if
something comes along in the future you can EBay it and get most,
if not all of your money back.

I wouldn't be too sure about that. The Uzi is popular now at $500
because most other cameras in the same class still cost a lot more.
What happens to the Uzi's value when say, a $999 F707 has been
displaced by a new model and can also be had at that price?

At max optical zoom, the F707 is roughly equal to the Uzi at 304mm
after accounting for its extra pixels. And closer in, it takes the
lead in
terms of putting pixels on the subject.

There are probably other models that the same will happen to. Each
new one
will be more competition for the Uzi in the used camera market and
will likely
drive its price down further.

 

[michel58672]

The 3030 is 28mm, I have one and love it, takes great pictures.

Thank you, Dwight !
I had been fooled by the information at this page :
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Olympus/
P.S. I don't understand, I find the same (32mm) at
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/C33/C33A.HTM
P.P.S Are you sure, Dwight ?
here Phil confirms 32mm :
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/olympusc3030z/
And Megapixel says the same.
Too bad, I would have loved 3 megapixels and 28mm for scenic pics.

I am trying a C3000 borrowed from a friend, I will see how it works. Obviously it does not fit in my pocket as used to do the D460Z.

Why don't they build 3 megapixels/28mm/pocket size cameras -just for 2.1 or 1.5 mp/38mm/Uzi/E100RS users complement their long nose cameras ?
Thanks anyway
Michel.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

Oh, ok.. I thought you were saying to buy now, and if something good
is announced at PMA (that might not hit the shelves until June/July) to
keep shooting with it, and then sell when the new model is out.

"Never mind".

You can get the camera now and enjoy shooting with it and if
something comes along in the future you can EBay it and get most,
if not all of your money back.

I wouldn't be too sure about that. The Uzi is popular now at $500
because most other cameras in the same class still cost a lot more.
What happens to the Uzi's value when say, a $999 F707 has been
displaced by a new model and can also be had at that price?

At max optical zoom, the F707 is roughly equal to the Uzi at 304mm
after accounting for its extra pixels. And closer in, it takes the
lead in
terms of putting pixels on the subject.

There are probably other models that the same will happen to. Each
new one
will be more competition for the Uzi in the used camera market and
will likely
drive its price down further.

 

[Terry Thorn]

and i don't think any c700 owner do...but i am not fat, so i care
about the weight i carry when hiking. some people i know spent $$$
just to remove 1/2 pound out of their mountain bike...and they are
VERY athletic people.

Whoops... story change. You once said that YOU paid about $1000 to remove 1/2 pound from YOUR mountain bike.

 

['UZ'pShoot'ERS']

your theory works out even better against the G2 with the Pro90 since it has .5 more Mps ....

Thanks for all the great responses. I'm sorry about bringing up
this topic again...I should have searched before asking the
question!

It sounds like the c2100 will be my best bet, but I have one more
question: Are there any cameras on the horizon that would be worth
considering? I have a few months before I must get a camera, so
atleast a little bit of time is on my side. Any idea if a camera
with atleast a 10x zoom and maybe 3 megapixels might come out
before now and summer?

Thanks again.

Richard

--
Daniella
http://www.pbase.com/zylen
C7OO discussion group:
http://www.homepet.com/cgi-bin/c700/UltraBoard.cgi

--'Happy Shootin' !!!UZ'P'Shooter http://www.pbase.com/rrawzz http://www.pbase.com/otfgallery/uzpshooterMe & My UZI, Strollin Down The Avenue. Me & My UZI, Focusin On Somethin New. To 'UZe' Or Not To 'UZe'? That 'IS' The Question. Weather It 'IS' Nobler To Suffer Natures Outrageous Slings & Arrows? Or Go With Adobe? That's My Story & I'm Stickin To It. Take It Or Leave It

 

['UZ'pShoot'ERS']

you can have the neon color rendition of the 707...& the dedicated media Beta-stick

You can get the camera now and enjoy shooting with it and if
something comes along in the future you can EBay it and get most,
if not all of your money back.

I wouldn't be too sure about that. The Uzi is popular now at $500
because most other cameras in the same class still cost a lot more.
What happens to the Uzi's value when say, a $999 F707 has been
displaced by a new model and can also be had at that price?

At max optical zoom, the F707 is roughly equal to the Uzi at 304mm
after accounting for its extra pixels. And closer in, it takes the
lead in
terms of putting pixels on the subject.

There are probably other models that the same will happen to. Each
new one
will be more competition for the Uzi in the used camera market and
will likely
drive its price down further.

--'Happy Shootin' !!!UZ'P'Shooter http://www.pbase.com/rrawzz http://www.pbase.com/otfgallery/uzpshooterMe & My UZI, Strollin Down The Avenue. Me & My UZI, Focusin On Somethin New. To 'UZe' Or Not To 'UZe'? That 'IS' The Question. Weather It 'IS' Nobler To Suffer Natures Outrageous Slings & Arrows? Or Go With Adobe? That's My Story & I'm Stickin To It. Take It Or Leave It

 

[johnd1]

But if nothing else with 10X and IS comes out at the end of feb, It is a good bet that the UZI and RS will not see much of or any price drop.

The value is in that big zoom, image quality, and the IS for the UZI and for the RS 's additional pre capture feature . These models might even bring more money if they get harder to find. Time will tell.

The 707 is just plagued with problems, the D7 has it's own. Nikon's 5000 ultra short focal length makes it a camera I wouldn't pay 200.00 for. The Canon G2 is another limited zoom model .Check their forums for the complaints.

They gave us more pixels , thats all. Until they make better 5X, 6X ,or 7 X models than what they threw at us ,the UZI will still be my favorite.

The only camera that may interest me is the Fuji 602. Thats a while off at least till I read the users reviews. beginner and intermediate photographers don't need 4,5,6 MP's We want zoom cause thats where he fun is.Another MP on my UZI and O shutter lag would be the frosting on the cake though and really welcome.JD

There are probably other models that the same will happen to. Each
new one
will be more competition for the Uzi in the used camera market and
will likely
drive its price down further.

 

[Daniella68313]

By the way, did you receive my question about the A50 ?

Daniella,
Et ma question ? est-elle arrivée sur ton mail ? Tant pis, je la
pose ici :
Voici mon mail d'hier :
I write to your mail instead of the Olympus forum for the obvious
reason below (not a oly question) :
I was browsing your pics at Pbase and understood that you had a
Canon A50. I am seeking a camera to complement my E100RS, that is
mainly a wide angle and very little. And cheap. I had decided that
the A50 should be what I need, but it seems difficult to find
nowadays. Can you tell me which price you would consider correct
for a used A50. Do you think it is still a good camera for indoor
and landscape shots (because of the wide angle). Is the flash
strong enough ?

huhu..no way the A50 will be better than your 2.1 mp camera for landscape..it is only 1.3 and the very low res show in landscape.

How is the battery life ? And finally which (cheap

• no D7) 28mm camera would you have to complement an E100RS, with

the main constraint being as wide angle as possible - I would love
a 28 ?

I would get the c2040...outstanding lens F1.8 and 28mm...no better deal and its cheap now. I have paid my A50 250$ and i could have the c2040 for about 350$ probably.

You can also buy it refurbish, its cheaper but come with only 3 month warranty.

I think the c3000 can exibit even more chromatic aberation and the c700. The c2040 is the best 2.1 mp for landscape today i think.

I can't find better than Oly 3000,3020,3030 which are 32x96.

Am I wrong ? Please Daniella, answer if you have enough time, Thank
you anyway for the superb pics,
Michel

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[Daniella68313]

well, some people buy wide angle lens, but vigneting can be a problem. The c2040 is only 2.1 mp but its 28mm and its 1.8 bright lens...

I think the price for the c3000 and the c2040 are about the same but for landscape the c3000 might show lots of chromatic aberation when overcast sky, so look at samples as many as you can.

I don't think the c3000 is 28mm though...where did you got that?

The 3030 is 28mm, I have one and love it, takes great pictures.

Thank you, Dwight !
I had been fooled by the information at this page :
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Olympus/
P.S. I don't understand, I find the same (32mm) at
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/C33/C33A.HTM
P.P.S Are you sure, Dwight ?
here Phil confirms 32mm :
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/olympusc3030z/
And Megapixel says the same.
Too bad, I would have loved 3 megapixels and 28mm for scenic pics.
I am trying a C3000 borrowed from a friend, I will see how it
works. Obviously it does not fit in my pocket as used to do the
D460Z.
Why don't they build 3 megapixels/28mm/pocket size cameras -just
for 2.1 or 1.5 mp/38mm/Uzi/E100RS users complement their long nose
cameras ?
Thanks anyway
Michel.

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[Leo]

Daniella,

If to consider a more expensive camera then there is more to choose from. One is Fuji and another is Minolta. A 700 would be nice addition for my 2100. I will wait the show and then will define the choice.
The 2100 + 700 = 2800 (like Fuji ;-)
Leo

Thanks for all the great responses. I'm sorry about bringing up
this topic again...I should have searched before asking the
question!

It sounds like the c2100 will be my best bet, but I have one more
question: Are there any cameras on the horizon that would be worth
considering? I have a few months before I must get a camera, so
atleast a little bit of time is on my side. Any idea if a camera
with atleast a 10x zoom and maybe 3 megapixels might come out
before now and summer?

Thanks again.

Richard

--
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