Best telephoto lens for e-500

haha, nah I just don't like carrying a tripod period. They're useful and all, but they're a pain to use (IMHO).

I'm thinking I might invest in a monopod, it's bound to get more use than the tripod because I can stick it in the top half of the Lowepro Orion I use, rather than carrying the tripod on the other shoulder and spending about 5 minutes getting it set up right.
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Another Option, wait for the Sigma 135-400, good reach, and well below half the Bigma. Image quality is goodfor the price, not far from excellent, is close to impossible in that price tag.
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I used to feel the same way about tripods, but then I always used bogen. I switched to giottos for my walkabout tripod, and I hardly notice it.

Just like lenses, not all tripods are created equal.
haha, nah I just don't like carrying a tripod period. They're
useful and all, but they're a pain to use (IMHO).

I'm thinking I might invest in a monopod, it's bound to get more
use than the tripod because I can stick it in the top half of the
Lowepro Orion I use, rather than carrying the tripod on the other
shoulder and spending about 5 minutes getting it set up right.
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But, (there's always a but isn't there?), I was out shooting today
and was trying to take a photo of Stirling castle from about 3
miles away with the 40-150. It was getting dark, the sun had
already set over the horizon. I really don't like carrying my
tripod with me and setting it up, it's just too cumbersome for my
liking. So I was trying to handhold the 40-150 at 150 with f/5.6.
So do you have the newer and slower compact 40-150? My 40-150 is f/4.5 at 150mm. So the 50-200 would have given me an extra bit of magnification and would have been only 2/3 of a stop faster - maybe a full stop faster if I zoomed it back to 150mm.
ISO 400 was as high as I wanted to go, so the shutter speed was
1/13s. Not much fun to be honest, about as steady as a pneumatic
drill.
In-camera IS would probably serve you better. Though that and a faster lens would be best.

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Any time you are hiking with gear, your mileage will vary. For me, it wasn't a weight issue but a bulk issue with my tripod. Switching to a four section helped a ton, though it's more prone to vibration. Quick to get used to.
I don't have a problem carrying my tripod around. I clip it to my
sling shot and have hiked many a steep miles with it.
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The 40-150 is undoubtably the deal of the century. That said, it doesn't hold a candle to the 500-200. If you can't see the difference, I am surprised. The 40-150 purple fringes and the bokeh isn't nearly as nice. That extra reach means quite a bit in wildlife situations. It is also sharper, and faster. It is sharp wide open, though, on the E-500 wide open it does vingette some. Strangely, I don't see the vignetting on my E-1.

It is heavier, but, I personally don't find it heavy and I hold it for often 12 hours at a time on my feet. Maybe because it balances so well on the E-1. Then again, I don't mind the weight of the 35-100 and that is fairly heavy.

I am a 5ft tall woman, so, it isn't like I am extra strong! The 50-200 was on my camera 95% of the time, ,until I got that 35-100 and now it shares space with that lens.

There is a difference. A large difference.
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For me it's the cumbersomeness (if that's a word) of tripods. When I go out to take photos I'm either going for very specific shots, in which case I can cope with taking the time to use the tripod, or I'm going for a walk and taking photos along the way. Stopping to set up a tripod just isn't very practical.

Not only that but when I'm sometimes taking photos in areas where there isn't enough room for a tripod.

That's why I'm gradually thinking monopod, it may not have the same stability but it's a heck of a lot more practical for my uses.

Besides the unwillingness to use a tripod means I can sort of kind of justify purchasing the 50-200. Because that stop will make all the difference (deadpan) :-P
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Hi!

My vote goes to adapted MF teles, preferably non-IF one-touch designs, which help control CA and allow for swift focussing.

Depending on how much experience you have with MF, this might be a difficult task at first, but a little practice can get you to a point where very good results are obtainable.

The best thing is, that you have (no more limited than some time ago) budget access to pro lenses of the past at a fraction of the price. Some are still worth being used today.

[btw, my vote goes to some golden ED Nikkors]

Regards
Alex

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If you don't mind toting a tripod and the 50-200 is too much, check out some manual lenses on ebay. There are many a great deal to be had. Do a search on this Forum for Nikon 300mm F4, 400mm F5.6 and Tamron 300mm F2.8 (or Big Bertha).

I checked your website and it looks like most of you wildlife could be done better with some of these manual lenses. However, the best solution by far would be the ZD50-200. It would make you a big fan of Oly's pro-grade lenses and as far as I am concerned it is reasonably priced compared with competing offerings (try to find a top quality, weather sealed 400mm f3.5 FOV for under $900).

Good Luck.
 
I Have to disagree with your findings.

I think everyone here agrees the 50 - 200 is an optically better lens, ( a better value? - No, my 40 - 150 was FREE !, there was no difference between the 1 lens and 2 lens price when I bought my E500 early last fall ) that’s not the debate, as I see it. For the user who posted the question and judging bye his one reply th $800 TO $1000 is not affordable at the moment and or presumably not worth it, which really only leaves a few alternatives. The Not so great or probably the same, sigma 50 - 200 ( I never Used it ) or any combo legacy glass with an adapter.

Not knowing the poster I will make a further assumption that he / she also wants full Functionality, NOT manual focus and F stop metering, there by eliminating all but the sigma 50 - 200.

As far as your findings that the 50 - 200 would have produced a better photo, it may or may not have. At the same 150 setting you would have had one extra stop of speed possibly even two. So at that point you could have decreased the ISO and or increased the shutter speed ( you could have also gone to 4.5 on your aperture but that’s an argument for another time. ). Would this really have given you a better photo?

Lets me play devils advocate and assume you were able to not only decrease the iso but, increase the shutter as well. How much better would the pic really have been? Not $900 better IMO.

I would have leaned cam against a tree or placed it on a rock or something and hoped for the best.

I to Loathe tripods so I understand your frustration but IMO I don’t think the 50 - 200 results would have warranted the extra expense, Over a lifetime maybe, factoring in the extra weight and expense I still say no.

Im waiting for better higher ISO performance or in cam / lens VR to help offset the differences in lens speed, these do work as is proven bye other cam / lenses and in your situation particularly they might have made the difference. Again, this is just my opinion based on your scenario. Although for me, since most of my shooting is Action Shots, VR sadly wont help, So I to need both speed and a better ISO combo.

What I still don’t understand is why everyone is excited about Sigmas release of what almost everyone has called mediocre lenses at best into the 4/3 format.

They have warehouses of this stuff that isn’t selling so some genius finally decided to slap on a 4/3 mount and give it a shot. .Wouldn’t you? I am surprised it took so long to do it.

To my knowledge all but two of the so far released and announced to be released Sigma Lenses are NOT made for Digital. And both of those, though I have no experience with them, I will this one time do what I hate and say - " from what I read these seem to be inferior to Olys offerings"

With that said, the 30 1.4 is on my watch list and if I can sample it and its better then the 35 Oly which I own, I am prepared to buy it. Mainly because I think the 35 is to slow, but I love its size and weight and it is also a little long for my tastes. I also think the Leica 25, which is the length I want, will be over $1000 if and when its ever released. So that one wont make it to my bag.

While the Made for Digital makes ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENCE to me, it is one of the sole foundations of 4/3 and the Oly lens myth. Nearly every person on this forum has at one point used this as an argument for why 4/3 and oly lenses are better. I am not here to argue that point, if you feel it is a reason Oly lenses are better , I have no problem with it. But, at the same time if that is one of your beliefs then it goes with out saying that any Sigma or other Non Digital Specific lens will be inferior including all Oly Legacy glass.

On a side not, the 300- 800 Sigma while an amazing lens on paper, is probably the last one or two of the 20 originally produced ( if that many ) and the cost of slapping on a 4/3 adapter vs the chance of it selling, (if it does ) makes that decision worthy of a Noble Laureate. Any adapter or marketing that would give this limited use uber Expensive behemoth a shot at selling is not only worth it for sigma but mandatary. assuming it is one they have in stock locked away in a vault somewhere. I highly doubt they would make a new one to order unless its paid in Full , In Advance.
 
... So I was trying to handhold the 40-150 at 150 with f/5.6.
ISO 400 was as high as I wanted to go, so the shutter speed was
1/13s. Not much fun to be honest, about as steady as a pneumatic
drill.

At that point I really began wishing I had the 50-200, just for
that extra stop. ...



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Sorry to say, but...
ONE extra stop wouldn't have helped much.
Your pic is TWO f/stop underexposed.

Plus (from the motion blur I see even in your 6:1 downsampled copy) I'd say you need go not slower than 1/100s, that is 3 f/stop more.
Total: 5 f/stop 'extra' for correct exposure, i.e.:
1/100s f/1.0 (!!!) at 150mm iso400, or
1/100s f/5.6 at 150mm iso12800 (!!!), or
carry a tripod, or
you might get a much more interesting view of the castle under decent lighting.
Confirmed: 40-150 f/3.5-4.5 is a great lens (when properly used):



Olympus E-300 , Zuiko Digital 40-150mm f/3.5-4.5 - 1/60s f/4.2 at 108.0mm iso800

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How is it than you can care enough about photography that you're willing to spend nearly $1000 to gain another 50mm and a fractional stop, but you scoff at setting up a tripod?

Tripods are your friend. If you hate your current tripod, make it a priority to find a tripod you like. Trust me on this. A 40-150 shot on a tripod is going to be sharper than a 50-200 handheld.
 
yes they are. As I said, when I'm going out to specifically take a photograph I have been visualising I have absolutely no problems taking the tripod and spending time setting it up properly. I have used my tripod for a few night shots, where a tripod is essential, and for some wildlife shots with the 40-150 which would have been unobtainable otherwise.

But when all I'm doing is going for a walk, albeit with a camera, I find it very cumbersome to set up a tripod for a quick shot and then pack up and move on again. Not only that but some of the photos I have taken when walking, around campus in particular, are of the squirrels, rabbits and various birds that abound the campus. In those instances I do not have the time to set up a tripod to take a photograph, as the animals have generally moved shortly after taking the photograph.

Tripods, like all other camera equipment, have their uses and I fully understand that. In some cases however they are simply impractical for the circumstances.
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This was my first thought when I saw this thread. Anyone on a limiting budget looking for big telephoto will be much better off buying a second hand (or using a currently owned) MF zoom lens. Unless someone dies and leaves me a ton-o-money, I won't be springing for any ZD lenses above and beyond what I already spent for the two kit lenses.

Regardless of the caveats associated with using older MF lenses, I think you'll always be better off that way than paying rather big bucks for the 50-200 and then adding a teleconverter or magnifier of some type. The older namebrand lenses should not be overlooked, and don't think that you have to stick with Olympus OM lenses -- you can go for just about any namebrand and there's a 4/3 adapter for it. When you find one that looks interesting (eBay ,etc.) do a little research on it, figure out if it was a nice lens, and then go for it -- pick up an adapter on eBay for under $20.

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My husband and I shoot horse shows together when he is available. He uses the 40-150 and I use the 50-200. I can tell you without a doubt there is a distinct photographic difference. Same light, same focal length. The 40-150 purple fringes and has a tendency to not handle contrast as well. It isn't as sharp and the bokeh isn't as nice. Not to mention the photos must be cropped to get the same perspective.

He and I BOTH prefer the 50-200 and see the difference and IT SHOULD be a big difference! I am here to say the price is worth it. Is the 40-150 a good lens?? Heck ya! One of the best kit lenses out there. Doesn't mean it is as good as the 50-200.

The Sigma 55-200 is not nearly as good of a lens as the 40-150. I would not buy it if I had the 40-150. I had it for awhile before I could justify the money for the 50-200. If you were to add in a teleconverter, I doubt the images would be useable.

In all honesty, the reason my husband bought me the 35-100 for Christmas was not only that he loves me, but, he wants to either use it, or the 50-200. He is tired of being the one having to use the 40-150.

It is still a great lens for a kit lens. It is a great size and light. It just doesn't hold a candle to the 50-200.

Image quality comes much more from the glass than the body. You get what you pay for. Though, I think the 40-150 is worth a lot more than what is paid for it!

If I were the OP, the only other lens that might interest me is the upcoming 135-400 by Sigma. Actually, that interests me now
As far as your findings that the 50 - 200 would have produced a
better photo, it may or may not have. At the same 150 setting you
would have had one extra stop of speed possibly even two. So at
that point you could have decreased the ISO and or increased the
shutter speed ( you could have also gone to 4.5 on your aperture
but that’s an argument for another time. ). Would this really have
given you a better photo?
I to Loathe tripods so I understand your frustration but IMO I
don’t think the 50 - 200 results would have warranted the extra
expense, Over a lifetime maybe, factoring in the extra weight and
expense I still say no.
 
Its not 400 the lens is 50 - 200, You are not using it on a 35MM Film camera. The fact that you get the perceived 100 - 400 35 mm equivalent to me is just marketing!
A 50 - 200 lens is a 50 - 200 lens PERIOD.

I don’t really know the prices of the competition or if any offer one that’s both weather sealed and as fast. But doing a quick search I see

Canon which has both the EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM and the EF 70-200mm f/2.8L USM which range from 900 to $1300 minus incentives, and mounted ( if it could be ) on an Oly would be nearly identical, with slightly less range but 2.8 fixed. They also have a Fixed F4. Sigma has the 50 - 200? Identical range but slower? There are also a whole slew of 18 - 200 some with VR some with out all slower? would you compare it to any of those? or do you try and find a 100 to 400 which is also available. but that on an oly would be 200 to 800 using your 35 mm mind set.

But they are all still Exactly what they say and in the case of Oly its 50 - 200.

What I am trying to express is I ( we) don’t shoot film anymore, For better or worse Oly has a 2x factor - forget it exists and use the lenses for what they are , not what marketing tells you they compare to
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