Forget, Canon vs. Nikon, or FF vs. Crop!!!

[jimstir]

repost i posted in wrong forum

Whilst I appreciate this site and the forums within it are principally an area for ,On the whole men to argue why their choice of camera is without a doubt not only the best choice for them but should be the best choice for everyone. I think that for a large part the dividing line in photography is between those who wish to create images and those that want to buy, brag about and beat to death the technical merits of equipment the more expensive the better of course!.

Anyone with an unbiased viewpoint would have to say that any of the current crop of DSLR, s are all capable of delivering excellent images and the eye of the photographer is of far more significance in the resulting effect of the image. I could care less what camera or lens, aperture or shutter speed the photographer used the results are what counts, I have seen some truly vitriolic and abusive arguments on several of the forums about stuff so daft it beggars belief. No one would ever look at the work of a painter and say if only he had used x brand of brush or perhaps different set of paints you would be laughed at.

I own a Nikon d2x, a D200 and a Canon 1ds, with a number of lenses which I use for both my work and for my pleasure and I can state by use that both systems are more than capable of doing the job. I have no doubt that the other DSLR on the market can deliver the goods when in the right hands so why don’t we just declare a truce and we may all benefit from the advice and vision of the many great photographers on all these forums

Digital photography is a fantastic tool with the ability to try your hand at any photographic technique without the costs associated with film I have wasted dozens of rolls of film trying out new techniques over the years , is it not possible to enjoy using our skills without having to resort to trading insults,
Cheers
jim

 

[Bob Jeffares]

I couldn't agree more---one of the posts last night about ff got ugly...name calling and such. Its all about the art of photography, not pitteling minute problems that one might have....the art is working around strengths & weaknesses. Be an artist, not just a camera operator.

 

[audhon]

I agree that people are forgetting the artistic aspec of the picture. Noise or what used to be in film, grain, had its place. How when and where photos were taken is more interesting. Remember, a bad workman blaims his tools.

 

[Hemidart]

I almost switched to Canon, but stayed with Nikon because of the equipment I already had. Personally when it comes to the final images, both Canon and Nikon deliver the goods. If I was just starting out ether route would be the right choice.

I do love the statement I have read here...."Pro's don't use Nikon"
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[jimstir]

i agree gents a camera is only a tool no more no less when you look at the photograph it is the image that should catch your eye not a forensic examination of the technicalities of the lens/ camera used to take the image.

i cannot think of any other area were the tools used to do the job have more emphasis than the job , i work professionally as a photographer , but my real joy is making images for me , surely trying to catch what your eye or your minds eye saw is what it is really about,
cheers
jim

 

[Dan Desjardins]

not every troll's goal is to tout their brand because they believe it's the best. There are professional trolls who promulgate negative information, competitive weaknesses, and even breaches of business ethics about a brand in hopes of driving buyers in some other direction. Their motives are possibly financial, justification for their own doubts, or they are just plain mean spirited or vengeful.

The signal to noise ratio in this, and any open forum is going to be low - you have to tune in what you want. Since this is an open forum your definition of noise will be different from many others - we all tune to what we are interested in and there are many interests represented here. Some of us are interested in arguing.

For me, trolls and people who want their snapshots critiqued are noise - for trolls howto techniques and great photography are noise. For egos who into owning the most expensive equipment - anyone who has a bigger lens is noise. These are some of the factions that make up this forum. I admit I find noise entertaining from time to time. I don't hate the noise - I just know when to move on to the next thread.
There can be no truce in this chaos - just sifting.

 

[Film_Ruled]

I work full time in photography.

I use Canon digital, Nikon film, Hasselblad Xpan film, Leica film, Wista film.

They all give me different looks. I think that many on this forum, the Nikon one, would do well to support those who really want full frame. No one ever has to give any reason or post 100% crops from Canon corners, all they have to do is say they want or need it and that is all the reason in the world anyone needs.

Where the problems start is when DX users put down or try to discredit those of us who want Nikon to produce full frame. They say switch or that they fear their investment in Nikon DX glass would falter, I just don't understand that. For years, a lot of us had glass that did a fine job at filling a 24x36mm area. Lenses like the 28 PC, 24 2.0, 28 1.4, 35 1.4, 50 1.2, 85 1.4 and up were and are stellar on full frame.

I understand many don't want their investment in DX to fall, but how about supporting those of us who's investment in full frame glass?

I would prefer to use Nikon across the board, but since a lot of my style revolves around the peripheral bokeh and super shallow DOF of fast glass, especially wides, I had no choice but to go to Canon for digital.

I don't think DX users realize how painful a choice this was for some us to make...

 

[FrithjofA]

repost i posted in wrong forum

Anyone with an unbiased viewpoint would have to say that any of the
current crop of DSLR, s are all capable of delivering excellent
images and the eye of the photographer is of far more significance
in the resulting effect of the image. I could care less what camera
or lens, aperture or shutter speed the photographer used the
results are what counts, I have seen some truly vitriolic and
abusive arguments on several of the forums about stuff so daft it
beggars belief. No one would ever look at the work of a painter and
say if only he had used x brand of brush or perhaps different set
of paints you would be laughed at.

Digital photography is a fantastic tool with the ability to try
your hand at any photographic technique without the costs
associated with film I have wasted dozens of rolls of film trying
out new techniques over the years , is it not possible to enjoy
using our skills without having to resort to trading insults,
Cheers
jim

I cannot agree more. At the end, its all about the person behind the camera.

In particular, an amateur like me loves the instant feedback and the ability to learn in the moment of picture taking. Its a revolution and a revelation.

cheers
Frithjof

 

[jimstir]

i am most happy with my photography that is "amateur" , namely the photos which i choose to take when you work professionally you are always a little curtailed by your client , and to be fair he who pays the piper calls the tune.and anyway i have always taken the word amateur in its oldest meaning as a someone who loves what the are doing
cheers
jim

 

[Phil Flash]

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Phil Flash
SF, CA USA
Be loyal to your picture taking style, not to any brand or sensor size.

Stuff I own in my profile.

 

[jimstir]

i did have a spice curry for dinner lol
cheers
jim

 

[Film_Ruled]

I guess I am really lucky then. Most of the time, I call the shots, that is why they hire me or buy my stock, I am obsesses about great imagery, they don't have time to be, so we all win.

i am most happy with my photography that is "amateur" , namely the
photos which i choose to take when you work professionally you are
always a little curtailed by your client , and to be fair he who
pays the piper calls the tune.and anyway i have always taken the
word amateur in its oldest meaning as a someone who loves what the
are doing
cheers
jim

 

[Chubly]

I like both formats and use both systems. It is the people that are on either side that dismiss each format outright that are the ones that are basing their opinion on emotional brand attachment. If I could I would love to have just one system but as it stands, I don't mind having the best of both worlds and Nikon has missed the boat for me.

repost i posted in wrong forum

Whilst I appreciate this site and the forums within it are
principally an area for ,On the whole men to argue why their choice
of camera is without a doubt not only the best choice for them but
should be the best choice for everyone. I think that for a large
part the dividing line in photography is between those who wish to
create images and those that want to buy, brag about and beat to
death the technical merits of equipment the more expensive the
better of course!.

Anyone with an unbiased viewpoint would have to say that any of the
current crop of DSLR, s are all capable of delivering excellent
images and the eye of the photographer is of far more significance
in the resulting effect of the image. I could care less what camera
or lens, aperture or shutter speed the photographer used the
results are what counts, I have seen some truly vitriolic and
abusive arguments on several of the forums about stuff so daft it
beggars belief. No one would ever look at the work of a painter and
say if only he had used x brand of brush or perhaps different set
of paints you would be laughed at.

I own a Nikon d2x, a D200 and a Canon 1ds, with a number of lenses
which I use for both my work and for my pleasure and I can state by
use that both systems are more than capable of doing the job. I
have no doubt that the other DSLR on the market can deliver the
goods when in the right hands so why don’t we just declare a truce
and we may all benefit from the advice and vision of the many great
photographers on all these forums

Digital photography is a fantastic tool with the ability to try
your hand at any photographic technique without the costs
associated with film I have wasted dozens of rolls of film trying
out new techniques over the years , is it not possible to enjoy
using our skills without having to resort to trading insults,
Cheers
jim

 

[Film_Ruled]

I protested for a year or two, and then started to really enjoy it too. I suppose at some point if Nikon ever does offer a larger sensor, we will have both systems at the time to play with and decide which to keep.

There are days though. Days I look at images made with my 24 1.4, 25 1.4 and 85 1.2 at ISO 1,600-3,200 and I am left speechless. I wonder how in the heck could Nikon ever top that insane look. It's a look that pulls at least three stops of light from a scene looked at with the naked eye.

A couple of weeks ago, I had a pocket wizard to strobe cord fail right before a moonlit uphill ski and snowshoe race. It was -5 and kind of cloudy, not as full a moon as I would have liked. I had no tripod so I had to hand hold my 24 and 85 wide open at ISO 3,200. Depending on how close to the finish area I was, I had shutter speeds of 1/60th to 1/4 of a second. That super fast glass and great high ISO not only saved my butt, it blew the client away.

repost i posted in wrong forum

Whilst I appreciate this site and the forums within it are
principally an area for ,On the whole men to argue why their choice
of camera is without a doubt not only the best choice for them but
should be the best choice for everyone. I think that for a large
part the dividing line in photography is between those who wish to
create images and those that want to buy, brag about and beat to
death the technical merits of equipment the more expensive the
better of course!.

Anyone with an unbiased viewpoint would have to say that any of the
current crop of DSLR, s are all capable of delivering excellent
images and the eye of the photographer is of far more significance
in the resulting effect of the image. I could care less what camera
or lens, aperture or shutter speed the photographer used the
results are what counts, I have seen some truly vitriolic and
abusive arguments on several of the forums about stuff so daft it
beggars belief. No one would ever look at the work of a painter and
say if only he had used x brand of brush or perhaps different set
of paints you would be laughed at.

I own a Nikon d2x, a D200 and a Canon 1ds, with a number of lenses
which I use for both my work and for my pleasure and I can state by
use that both systems are more than capable of doing the job. I
have no doubt that the other DSLR on the market can deliver the
goods when in the right hands so why don’t we just declare a truce
and we may all benefit from the advice and vision of the many great
photographers on all these forums

Digital photography is a fantastic tool with the ability to try
your hand at any photographic technique without the costs
associated with film I have wasted dozens of rolls of film trying
out new techniques over the years , is it not possible to enjoy
using our skills without having to resort to trading insults,
Cheers
jim