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Steve,

While the pictures are of course graphic and shocking, they are also quite powerful to view. Nicely done. Look at the strong emotional response they are evoking. No matter what people's opinions about the singer's mental health, your images seem to be evoking a strong reaction from the viewers.

-- Rob
 
rami, no offence intended to your comments and I hear ya.

Just one thing I would like to mention, its not about hurting others, its about themselves as well. We as people can be concerned about others when they do something that maybe harmful to themselves. Also, sometimes its neither, but the impact they have on a certain people.

Thats all

areos.
 
between this guy, 70's punks et al. and monks self-mutilating to obtain a "religious" experience.

For those of you casting aspersions and alleging narcotic abuse, I say this: endorphins and adrenalin rule, so why would he need to be on anything else? It would probably only reduce his expeirence.

If it is just a stage gimmick I bet he's pretty sick of it by now. I think he's wishing for the day when he can drop it in favour of a cleaned-up image allowing him to take the moral high ground and recover his "artistic integrity". But by the look in his eyes, I don't think it is a stage show. Super.

Anyway, great pictures Phil. Were you using that 24L on FF?

I'm also amazed that you could rescue 2 stops underexposure on a jpg and still walk away with pictures of this quality. How did you manage to underexpose so badly - you've been doing these gigs for a while now - were you using manual exposure? Please explain.

--
Stu.
 
...but I don't find these shockingly graphic. Perhaps if you'd managed to portray HOW he got a bloody face, there might be some repulsion, but absent that it's the kind of insular imagery one can catch on just about any wrestling show.

Nor do I really qualify what this guy's done as mutilation:

mutilate ?myo?tl??t verb [ trans. ] (usu. be mutilated) inflict a violent and disfiguring injury on**

He's certainly not disfigured. Rather, I think he'll survive, largely unscathed, to transform himself again another day.
Steve Mitchell said:
I've shot a lot of events in my life that had shocking turns of
events. Irecently shot a Japanese "visual" band called Dir en grey.
They came with a lot of hype and are very popular overseas. I was
not prepared as the lead singer began to mutilate himself on stage.
I was right underneath him when it began. Got the shots, but I
underexposed the more graphic shots by about 2 1/2 stops as I was
so fixated on what was happening. I was shooing jpeg... fortunately
I was able to recover the images to a respectable level. Warning,
these are graphic images:
http://www.musicpix.net/index.php?module=PostWrap&page=Dir_en_grey
--
Steve Mitchell
http://www.dphoto.us
http://www.musicpix.net
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--
Garland Cary
 
...Nothing wrong with your pics, though, which very well capture the overall ambiance and insanity that seems to have possessed the stage.

As for this band... well, if those cuts and bruises were real (which they absolutely look like), this kind of depressing spectacles only show what happens when musical and artistic talent take a second place and our evolutionary traces from far-gone species and reptiles take over.

Sorry, but there is NO EXCUSE, NO WORD, NO BUTS-or-IFS that justify this vomit-inducing display of non-sense. And I hold accountable ANYONE here that somehow even suggests the idea of this garbage being O.K.

I have no problems with the rest of the band and the show, but this blood-thing is ABSOLUTELY unnecesary to enjoy music and art. Not to mention the example and legacy displayed to the younger crowds. Period.

Again, great shots, though...

Happy shooting!
 
my god, I really am trying to wonder if I am in some religious cult or in the Canon forum. what do you mean "NO EXUSE"- do you really think anybody needs to be excused? and what about other tribal rituals in the amazons that involve bloody matters? what about this catholic of the extreme type (forgot where it is) that do that stuff? comeone- it is Not nice- rather silly, not for me, not to my taste, but that is why I am not doing it- what is this new idea that we can impose our aesthetic values on everybody- the guy hurts himself a little- not good, I agree- we see blood, that's bad- that them very much for taking all the blood from our stakes in the supermarkets (unless we like rare Prime- but then we are excused)- why don't you get it that some people are different? they don't even hurt others, kill anybody, kill themselves, they don't even kill animals like Jone Cale slaughter a chicken on the stage in the early 80ies. common- this is getting absurd.
PIXSurgeon said:
Sorry, but there is NO EXCUSE, NO WORD, NO BUTS-or-IFS that justify
this vomit-inducing display of non-sense. And I hold accountable
ANYONE here that somehow even suggests the idea of this garbage
being O.K.

I have no problems with the rest of the band and the show, but this
blood-thing is ABSOLUTELY unnecesary to enjoy music and art. Not to
mention the example and legacy displayed to the younger crowds.
Period.

Again, great shots, though...

Happy shooting!
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Hi,

I am not "really" disagreeng with you. I agree that there is a level of "hurting oneself" which is objectionalble. In general, it is not my style although I like experimental art and music- that looks rather like teenage kitch more than anything else. My point is simply that I think any random view at the front page of a newspaper reveals much more terrible things, which actually lead to much more bloodshed and death- many of which are done on "our" behalf. so I think there is a level of hypocracy from getting too exited about stuff that an the end of the day required some guy to put some iodine on his chest and to collect his dollars. Not what I call "a shocking event".

and about "Impact" on others- honstly, I am sure that most "main stream" movies have more violence than that performance. but it is still, in most cases, not my role to determine for people what they enjoy- if it affects them and they become violent to others- then they have to pay a legal price. that is the moment that it becomes "the public's business".
Anamicks said:
rami, no offence intended to your comments and I hear ya.

Just one thing I would like to mention, its not about hurting
others, its about themselves as well. We as people can be concerned
about others when they do something that maybe harmful to
themselves. Also, sometimes its neither, but the impact they have
on a certain people.

Thats all

areos.
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rami said:
what is this new idea
that we can impose our aesthetic values on everybody- the guy hurts
himself a little- not good, I agree- we see blood, that's bad- that
them very much for taking all the blood from our stakes in the
supermarkets (unless we like rare Prime- but then we are excused)-
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...WTF are you talking about? What is all this soft, baseless and unsustainable reasoning?
rami said:
why don't you get it that some people are different? they don't
even hurt others, kill anybody, kill themselves, they don't even
kill animals like Jone Cale slaughter a chicken on the stage in the
early 80ies. common- this is getting absurd.
Click to expand...
...Please, do me a favor and try to grasp this very BASIC concepts: our bodies (with their exquisite complexity and dynamics) are basically made of "cosmic dust", that took approx. 14 billion to prepare, test, troubleshoot and fine-tune, ... And all I see in this stupid display of non-sense is how those 14 billion years get slowly (and miserable) shredded by some folks that "confuze" art with blood.

Are you too amont those?
 
OMG, you are rather scary! I hope no blood is being pored when you educate your children!!!
PIXSurgeon said:
rami said:
what is this new idea
that we can impose our aesthetic values on everybody- the guy hurts
himself a little- not good, I agree- we see blood, that's bad- that
them very much for taking all the blood from our stakes in the
supermarkets (unless we like rare Prime- but then we are excused)-
Click to expand...
...WTF are you talking about? What is all this soft, baseless and
unsustainable reasoning?
PIXSurgeon said:
why don't you get it that some people are different? they don't
even hurt others, kill anybody, kill themselves, they don't even
kill animals like Jone Cale slaughter a chicken on the stage in the
early 80ies. common- this is getting absurd.
Click to expand...
...Please, do me a favor and try to grasp this very BASIC concepts:
our bodies (with their exquisite complexity and dynamics) are
basically made of "cosmic dust", that took approx. 14 billion to
prepare, test, troubleshoot and fine-tune, ... And all I see in
this stupid display of non-sense is how those 14 billion years get
slowly (and miserable) shredded by some folks that "confuze" art
with blood.

Are you too amont those?
Click to expand...
 
btw, apparently 14 billion years didn't get them that smart ; > )

I figure you are not into blood. that is a rather wordy manner of putting it. Are you vegeterian? are you pacifist? just curious.
PIXSurgeon said:
...Please, do me a favor and try to grasp this very BASIC concepts:
our bodies (with their exquisite complexity and dynamics) are
basically made of "cosmic dust", that took approx. 14 billion to
prepare, test, troubleshoot and fine-tune, ... And all I see in
this stupid display of non-sense is how those 14 billion years get
slowly (and miserable) shredded by some folks that "confuze" art
with blood.

Are you too amont those?
Click to expand...
 
n/t
 
Yes, I shoot manual. Underexposure happened when he dug into his mouth to start the bleeding. I adjusted the shutter dial in the wrong direction and was too engrossed in what was happening and did not check the indicator in the viewfinder.

rebel without a clue wrote:
Were you using that 24L on FF?
rebel without a clue said:
I'm also amazed that you could rescue 2 stops underexposure on a
jpg and still walk away with pictures of this quality. How did you
manage to underexpose so badly - you've been doing these gigs for a
while now - were you using manual exposure? Please explain.

--
Stu.

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--
Steve Mitchell
http://www.dphoto.us
http://www.musicpix.net
 
PIXSurgeon said:
Sorry, but there is NO EXCUSE, NO WORD, NO BUTS-or-IFS that justify
this vomit-inducing display of non-sense. And I hold accountable
ANYONE here that somehow even suggests the idea of this garbage
being O.K.
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It's okay.

Feel free to hold me accountable.

That said, I think there's another issue, which is that the band knows that "heavy" fans think Japanese music is commercial and manufactured and that they have to go to extreme lengths to prove their credibility with their chosen audience.

How much this dovetails with the singer's own psyche is another issue, but there does seem to be some desperate marketing here. Their music certainly has energy.

What worries me is no how much it hurts while he's doing it, but what he feels like the day after, when the adrenaline's gone down. It must sting like a b*gger.

Steve's photos are excellent as always.

What you don't realise is that their success is, to a considerable degree, measured by EXACTLY how much they p!ss people like you off.

.
 
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