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Further News from SIGMA - another cam in the Pipe - the DP1

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A perfect out in the village, not look to fancy type of camera. A perfect companion for my type of photography. This is really really good news!

Maybe they have something to show at Photokina?! F4. hehe.. I want 1.4, but F4 at 28mm is not too bad. As long as imagequality is good, and Sigma is getting better and better at this. I'm very very hopeful!

Tjing tjong.

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I don't get the motivation. A tunnel viewfinder for a non zoom fixed lens would be trivial. It would also save batteries and you could avoid running the chip in continuous mode. Which I think should be an advantage for noise if you only run the chip during capture.
 
Here's SD14 and DP1 - note that the LCD is the same size on both:





Suddenly the SD14 looks like a monster :)

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The only thing this camera apparently lacks that I would want on a camera like this is a hotshoe (or at least a PC sync terminal for external flash). Most likely I would rarely use external flash on a camera like this, but that's a feature you need to have during those "must have flash" moments.

The lens not opening up past f4 doesn't bother me if the sensor is indeed larger with better ISO noise/grain control.
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Not sure I follow.. I've owned many P&S cameras. They're always handy and I longed for a Sigma that could rule them all. Now, with all these P&S I never, as far as I can remember used the little tiny viewfinder, It just feels wrong and takes space for that brutal LCD on the back. No?

If battery is good, (which many P&S today has proven possible, read F30) then why would a nice huge LCD be worse?

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Proud SD9/SD10 user.
 
Dominic Groß said:
Frits Thomsen said:
Dominic Groß said:
Peter G said:
I have always wanted a compact camera with a big sensor. If Sigma
is the first to deliver it affordably, this may be my next camera.
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But the f/4 lens certainly spoiled the "wow" for me.
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Why ??? at 16 f:4 you will still be able to shoot handheld at 1/
16 sec.
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and it would be 1/28 sec ;)
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Yeah ... you are right ofcourse :)
Dominic Groß said:
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why? many of the popular P&S digicams don't have a viewfinder... although I admit I prefer with. I just bought/received in shipping Friday a Fujifilm F30, which is supposed to be so good in low light conditions. I expect to compare to the Sigma SD14, now probably to Sigma P&S too. I'm surprised, I hope the new Sigma P&S will be all that (my) Polaroid x530 should have been. IMHO the sensor is good in the x530, but the other electronic components aren't up to otherP&S's I use. BTW my first F30 trial photos, literally out the car window yesterday are very Bayerish-blur-smeary. Grass is mush. If I can get away, I had hoped to go into Washington, DC, for a couple interior museum shots --
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Ie minimal CA and distortion, great resolution etc.

Hmm... doesn't seem to offer manual focus ring. Oh well.

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If the price is reasonable for a compact all-in-one (less than a new Pentax K10D for example) then I will order one of these as soon as I can find a store here in the US that has them available for pre-order.
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Thought that you didn't have to take into account the "crop factor" when calculatibng the time you can shoot handheld because there is no real multiplication of the 16mm but the surrounding image information is just cropped by the physical limitations of the small sensor.

This would mean that you only gert on the chip what you would have with a 28mm lens but it still is a 16mm lens allowing you to shoot 1/16 without using a tripod.

Right on this or did I miss something?
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Hello

Just one day left...........I won't see tonight. Anyway I was looking for a point and shoot, this seems like the answer. It looks like a Leica M, I hope the price is less than a M :) What was the focal length of the lens? Come on Sigma..... bring it on!!!!!

Roger J.
 
A bit sloppy though if they are updating the website and put stuff out there live on the web before everything seems to be ready. Why would Sigma Japan not have everything on their website ?

But then again Sigma DE has been sloppy before lately right ? :)

Cheers,

Marcel
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Christopher Parthier said:
Thought that you didn't have to take into account the "crop factor"
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No, what really matters is the FOV, which determines the relative magnification. It just happened that with 35mm the rule of thumb worked out pretty good. If you want to use the rule of thumb then you must convert back into 35mm equivalent values.
 
Christopher Parthier said:
Thought that you didn't have to take into account the "crop factor"
when calculatibng the time you can shoot handheld because there is
no real multiplication of the 16mm but the surrounding image
information is just cropped by the physical limitations of the
small sensor

This would mean that you only gert on the chip what you would have
with a 28mm lens but it still is a 16mm lens allowing you to shoot
1/16 without using a tripod.

Right on this or did I miss something?
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wrong, this would only apply if you print the image from the "crop sensor" to the smaller croped size. If you print it to the same size we are comparing to (this rule of thumb was made for 35mm film) the blur will be enlarged more, so you need less blur to start with and this is why it would be 1/28.
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Christopher Parthier said:
Thought that you didn't have to take into account the "crop factor"
when calculatibng the time you can shoot handheld because there is
no real multiplication of the 16mm but the surrounding image
information is just cropped by the physical limitations of the
small sensor.

This would mean that you only gert on the chip what you would have
with a 28mm lens but it still is a 16mm lens allowing you to shoot
1/16 without using a tripod.
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Yes but since the image on the sensor is cropped compared to a 35mm film-frame , you will have to enlarge the final picture more if you want to get the same " circle of confusion " on your final print..

In real life i have found that I have to take the cropfactor in consideration with my SD10 ... i.e. ... shooting at 1/30 sec .. not 1/15

A nother thing is that a compact camera should be able to go a little lower in shutter speed because there are no moving parts...mirror , large shutter et.c....
Christopher Parthier said:
Right on this or did I miss something?
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Rytterfalk said:
Not sure I follow.. I've owned many P&S cameras. They're always
handy and I longed for a Sigma that could rule them all. Now, with
all these P&S I never, as far as I can remember used the little
tiny viewfinder, It just feels wrong and takes space for that
brutal LCD on the back. No?

If battery is good, (which many P&S today has proven possible, read
F30) then why would a nice huge LCD be worse?
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First reason is noise. To me the Sony R1 shows that you get more noise running the Sensor constantly to generate the video feed.

Second. Battery life. Whatever the battery life, it would last many times longer if it had a viewfinder. I would use this camera on hiking trips. That matters a lot.

Ever use the viewfinder on a decent fixed focal length film cameras like a GR-1 or Olympus stylus epic. They are really quite good. Not hard to make a fixed focal length viewfinder that is big, bright and not too far off.

I don't understand why it is missing.
 
.. also a zoom lens. Framing with a camera shivering a few centimeters from your eyes isn't very comfortable and not a stable stand.

Besides, the point&shoot market is highly competative and swamped with cameras ; the only way to be a succes here is a competative price, which I doubt in this case..
to be continued.. , Paul
 
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