D80 Feel: Questions

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Alrite seeing as how the D80 will not arrive in my area (australia) for the next week or two, I'd like to ask D80 owners what they think about the feel. It would be especially helpful if you could compare it with its predecessors the D50 and D70.

From photos and specs I can almost tell the it will be identical to the D50 both in shape, heft and sturdiness. Yet some have indicated that it feels more well built than the D50 and in some cases even the D70. To me the D70 feels like a tank of a plastic camera, it's almost unbelievable for me than the D80, which is smaller and seems to be based on the D50 (which felt less sturdy IMO).

Feedback in all aspects is welcome eg. density, percieved toughness, grip material, ergonomics, etc. I hope for this to be the definitive D80 feel thread that I feel has been lacking from the forums so far.

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'Life is not measured by how many breaths you take, but by how many moments that take your breath away.' - A friend
 
In order of preference: D200, D70, D80, D50.

D70 is by far the best of the 3 nikon 'budget' cameras. I really wish they would have based the D80 on the D70 body size but I guess it didn't fit with their strategy. Although the D50 and D80 are nearly identical in body, the grip feels a bit better on the D80. I'm thinking that the addon battery pack/vertical grip would make the D80 perfect for my hands.
 
relating to the "fee" of the cameras. I have a D70, a D70s and a D100. The D100 is a bit bigger and heavier than the D70. In fact its difference in mass and size over the D70 is more than the D70 is over the new D80.

But when I use my three cameras I have to look to see which I am holding as they feel pretty close. I am talking between the D70 and D100.

Using that, for myself, wold have no problem buying and using the D80.

dave
 
I had a D70, and my wife and I seriously considered a D50, before buying the D80. I really like the size of the D80, and to us, it definitely feels more solid than the D50. D50 felt lighter, almost more "hollow" if that makes sense. The D80 feels really good.

Andy
 
D50 felt lighter, almost
more "hollow" if that makes sense. The D80 feels really good.
I definitely get what you mean. This would relate to density, the D80 being roughly the same size as the D50 but heavier. That said I don't know if that necessarily means a sturdier build or more components to weigh the body down as it impacts the ground if you drop it by accident.

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'Life is not measured by how many breaths you take, but by how many moments that take your breath away.' - A friend
 
I had a D70, and the D80 definitely didn't feel as good. They chopped off just enough off the bottom of the camera that my pinky wasn't well supported, and I don't have a big hand. It's not horrendous by any means and I'm sure one can get used to it, but if you're coming from a D70, the difference may be apparent, depending on how you hold the camera.
 
I can symphatize, raid, I went from a D70 to a D50. At first the D50 seemed awkward and I felt like I would never get used to it, but then when I got back to grabbing a D70, it felt oversized in comparison. As for size, my pinky still has some wiggle room on the D50 :) In fact it's just about right, my only gripe is that the D50 grip feels like a simple cylindrical form that didn't care much about fitting to the contours of my hand.
I had a D70, and the D80 definitely didn't feel as good. They
chopped off just enough off the bottom of the camera that my pinky
wasn't well supported, and I don't have a big hand. It's not
horrendous by any means and I'm sure one can get used to it, but if
you're coming from a D70, the difference may be apparent, depending
on how you hold the camera.
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'Life is not measured by how many breaths you take, but by how many moments that take your breath away.' - A friend
 
At first, I preferred the D50. Then got used to the D70s, which is bigger and has a larger thumb rest against the CF card door. Also has softer rubber molding at that junction. The D80 feels a bit uncomfortable at the thumb rest because of the edge of the plastic body molding between the thumb rest and the SD card door. More soft rubber molding would help. Anyway, you will really need to decide for yourself. I cannot tell you if it will be comfortable for you. I'd call it a compromise that could be a bit better in the comfort department. Personally, I can get used to it, but of the three models I've discussed, it is the least comfortable. Here are what other forums are saying:

http://www.nikonians.org/dcforum/DCForumID236/295.html

http://www.nikonians.org/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=read_count&om=224&forum=DCForumID236&viewmode=threaded
 
This a part of an early post of mine:

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Without a lens and battery, the camera feels so light that I thought "I paid $1000 for this?!" It looks a lot smaller than my D70, but it is only slightly smaller in true dimensions. D80 seems 'toned' compared to the D70.

The mode/lazy dial is the same. A previous review said there was an extra scene mode. It is no different than my D70. The D80 scene wheel and the buttons left of the LCD-review screen feel more 'clicky' than my D70, which feel more dampened. Directional pad feels the same. The D80's 2 wheels have wider spaced teeth and better grip/feel. The strap is the same as D70.

Top LCD is wider but narrower top to bottom vs the D70. Review LCD is HUGE compared to the D70 (which is smaller than the D70s). The D80 protective cover seems to be more snug with less condensation from my breath occuring under the protective cover and on the LCD screen itself vs the D70. The outside of the protective screen still fogs up easily. (I wonder if those scuba mask fluid products would work on the protective screen).

The SD door slides back then springs open. I thought there was no picture of which way to put the SD card in, but there is a small pic on the thin yellow label. The SD card goes in with the front facing you vs the CD card going in with the front facing away from you on the D70.

The D80 comes with a flash shoe cover. I do not recall that coming on my D70 nor on the D200, which I got to play with in Dec 2005 for a few weeks.

The grip is slightly different than my D70. I think my D70 grip is more comfortable but maybe my brain is just used to the 'feel.' The build/feel..etc.. are as previously posted--very nice. However, I think the D70 plastic feels more 'dense.'

The viewfinder is better, but I really forgot about this part because my D70 has the magnifying eyepiece so I was not 'struck' with the difference. Also I wear glasses and can't get close to the viewer anyways so everything looks like a tunnel to me even when I owned a Canon SLR. I guess I better get back to wearing contacts.

The AF button toggles AF-A/AF-S/AF-C. I was hoping that they would appear in the viewer but only appear on the top LCD. The same with the Single/Continous/timed shooting--does not appear in the viewer, only appears on the top LCD. You just press it, you dont have to spin a wheel.

One big adjustment is the location of the delete button. I am used to looking at the review and using my right thumb to delete the pic. I delete pics ruthlessly on the D70. If they look a bit blurry on the small D70 screen then on the computer they will be very blurry. The D70 requires no hand shifting, only the right thumb.

On the D80 the delete button is high up on the left this requires me to shift my hand from cradling the lens/body to gripping the left side of the camera and using my left thumb to delete now.

The additional function button is awesome. I opted to make it the focus--single/dynamic/automatic. These are not the same as the top AF button of AF-A/AF-S/AF-C -----------------------------------------------

Now that I have been using it, i have become more comfortable with the D80 and I don't really notice much of a difference switchinga back and forth from the D70 to the D80. However, the D70 plastic still 'feels' more sturdy or dense.

The hard part of going back and forth D70/D80 is the way the cameras review shots.
D70: up and down, with data overlays R and L
D80: L and R, with data overlays up and down

I think they made the D80 as light/little as possible to not give up too many female buyers. More females are buying dSLRs and they want light and small dSLR's. If you are male and want more grip area, you can always buy the battery pack.

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It feels fine, it s not a D2x or a FM3 but it doesn t feel tacky...

I find it strange that after all the years of film slrs desperately trying to get smaller and the accolades that both Pentax and Olympus got when then went small.

Look at the F2 without a Photomic head, or Leicas! How did all those big "handed" Vietnam photogs manage ? And I don t think they strapped motors on when they were stumbling thru jungles...

I m not knocking why people want big cameras.For me, big viewfinders I want ! But to carry a "brick" up a mountain ... Nah

The D80 is great I m very impressed, it s compact and they ve crammed a lot into it .For travel it s just the right trade off , of weight / size to features. The top lcd is crowded and I m sure the 200 is easier to see at a glance but that s my only minor gripe. I can nearly buy two for the price of a D200 now that allows me to get one stepped on by an elephant...Don t laugh it happened to my Canon T90 ! I taped it together it worked for the rest of the trip....

Ergonomics are great, the delete button has a ridge, so in the dark you can find it and know it s the delete.Or vice versa when you DON T want to hit delete.
Editing is a fast two thumb process.
Iif you can t get a good shot it aint gonna be the D80s fault.....
Enjoy the wait.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/nickevans9/
 
I m not knocking why people want big cameras.For me, big
viewfinders I want ! But to carry a "brick" up a mountain ... Nah
Later in your post you said the keyword - tradeoff. I'm sure most people wouldn't take an Eos 1Ds on their travels (Although I know someone who actually does). Personally I like the D50 size.
The D80 is great I m very impressed, it s compact and they ve
crammed a lot into it .For travel it s just the right trade off ,
of weight / size to features. The top lcd is crowded and I m sure
the 200 is easier to see at a glance but that s my only minor
gripe. I can nearly buy two for the price of a D200 now that allows
me to get one stepped on by an elephant...Don t laugh it happened
to my Canon T90 ! I taped it together it worked for the rest of the
trip....
Hahahaha, interesting story!
Ergonomics are great, the delete button has a ridge, so in the dark
you can find it and know it s the delete.Or vice versa when you DON
T want to hit delete.
Good to hear that. I was a little worried about the change of the button's position.
Editing is a fast two thumb process.
Iif you can t get a good shot it aint gonna be the D80s fault.....
Enjoy the wait.
Thanks!

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'Life is not measured by how many breaths you take, but by how many moments that take your breath away.' - A friend
 
I haven't owned the D50, but played with it in the store. I liked it the least of the 3, but it was still many notches above the Canon competition.

I've used the D100 for a year or so and it was wonderful. Big, heavy and solid. The major ergonomic flaw was that it required twisting a big knob to set ISO value, knocking the camera out of "shooting mode". It was very well balanced especially with the battery grip.

I've owned the D70 for 2.5 years and it was almost perfect for my hands. The only thing I didn't like was the feel of the CF door, especially given how the thumb rubs against it on a constant basis on the back of the camera.

The D80 has a thinner grip, which is bad. But the location of the battery door is much better and it gives the rear of the camera a cleaner and more solid look. I'm planning on buying the battery grip at some point, to give the camera a little extra heft and balance.

So it's a toss-up for the D80 - I can see how people with large hands may not like it at all. But I like it.
 
I also think the D80 shutter is more "mechanical" in feel and has a much faster response than the D70. I don't know if this is backed up by any real data, or just an impression created by the different sound.

I also think that mirror slap is more accentuated on the D80 - which is why you may definitely need that "0.4sec delay MLU mode".

Again, just my initial observations...
 
My use of trade off wasn t derogatory the trade off is space to fit it all on the body.

My main gripe with the 70 &50 was with the viewfinders . I spend a lot of time looking thru viewfinders and I like it big and contrasty if I can get it !

That last flick of the eye all around the edge of the frame in case something/ someone has come into the shot...... The bigger the better. It s the main human camera "interface". buttons you can re- learn and that "muscle memory" can take a while to go ! The on off is the opposite to what I m used to so I keep switching it off ! The viewfinder to me is everything....

Oh yeah the elephant story...The 200 2.8 I had on the front was never quite the same again..
it s hard to get "built in " hoods circular again ! So Canon told me.
You ll like the 80 when you see the pics it can take.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/nickevans9/
 
My use of trade off wasn t derogatory the trade off is space to fit
it all on the body.
Yeah yeah man I getcha.
My main gripe with the 70 &50 was with the viewfinders . I spend a
lot of time looking thru viewfinders and I like it big and
contrasty if I can get it !
Funny, Im remembering the time I was using a Kodak with EVF and then looked into a D70 viewfinder for the first time - I thought that was big and bright!
That last flick of the eye all around the edge of the frame in
case something/ someone has come into the shot...... The bigger the
better. It s the main human camera "interface". buttons you can
re- learn and that "muscle memory" can take a while to go !
I had to relearn the "next photo" commands too. D80 - L&R, D70 Up&Down
The on
off is the opposite to what I m used to so I keep switching it off
! The viewfinder to me is everything....
The latest Kodak I have has the on-off on the reverse side of the shutter release! Thats right, it means I keep grabbing air with my index finger. I tell you that's one thing I'll never get used to.
Oh yeah the elephant story...The 200 2.8 I had on the front was
never quite the same again..
Ouch! Does it still make useable photos tho?
it s hard to get "built in " hoods circular again ! So Canon told me.
You ll like the 80 when you see the pics it can take.
Yech, not a fan of that, no offense hahahah. I look forward to "the 80"!

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'Life is not measured by how many breaths you take, but by how many moments that take your breath away.' - A friend
 
Lens was fixed but looked as tho it had seen "action".

My Canon FD gear gathers dust, been thru too much together to get rid of it tho....

But Digi is just so nice and when Canon dumped me and changed mounts, I changed brands !

http://www.flickr.com/photos/nickevans9/
 
D80 is much more firm feel - heavier, denser feel, def erks of quality - sold builtd - I owned a D50 previous and the difference is v noticeable

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It feels very good to me. Nice and solid and as someone put, less hollow than the D70s. Its a great size for travelling.
 
I have been shooting with my new D80 here in New Zealand for three days now, (imported it from the states, saved 1k too). I love the feel of it. If I didn't know it was plastic I would swear it was some sort of alloy, until I tap my finger nails on it and hear that plastic sound. It has quite a solid feel to it really, with a nice weight as well not too light and definitely not too heavy. I have pretty large hands too, with my finger on the trigger my three fingers fit nicely on the grip, it’s a little narrow when I just grip it with all four fingers and my pinky is left twisting in the wind a bit, unless I squeeze my fingers together. Though it was like that for most of the cameras I trialed. I don’t consider this a problem after carrying it around all day I appreciate the lighter weight. If I had the battery grip I would be quite satisfied by the extra length for my pinky.

I had a play with the D200, D50, D70, Sony a100, Canon Rebel XT before buying the D80. A D200 this is not, the D200 was “The Daddy” compared to all the other cameras mentioned. The D200 weather seals and all up feel was impressive but at a huge extra cost. The D200 was a lot heavier and the metal body gave it a heftiness that only a metal body can, but side by side I still say the D80 is no slouch, and for the extra cost of the D200 I was able to get a nice bit of glass, and a few other extras. The D50 and canon XT and Sony alpha 100 all felt like toy’s compared to the D80, and the D70 was a little bigger though somehow not quite as solid/dense feeling kind of hollow/plastic, but better then all others besides D80/D200.

The abilities of the D80 and the extra mega pixels put the D80 over the top for me as I am printing on a 24 inch Epson in high resolution so I need big images. I am now getting comments like stunning to describe my picture output, and best of all I am finally seeing it myself in my own images. I am actually smiling when I review my days shooting. :-)

I also felt that the new release D80 would have newer technology on board then the D200, even with the lower specs in some areas, so I was confident that it would be a good buy. I am not disappointed one bit. I have taken around 2500 shots in 3 days and am blown away by the quality and the improvement in my picture taking ability.

Hope this helps
 
Compared to the D100, which anyone would call a "substantial" camera, it feels fine. A bit smaller, but that feels good also.
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Nikon D80, D100, 18-200 VR, Nikon 50mm1.8, Nikon 6T, SB600
 

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