the best thing about leica

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you know what i really love about leica? everything is so expensive! that is way cool! just checked, the battery for the m8 will be €80, the handgrip (no electronics in there!) is €150! super!

so once you saved enough money to get the camera and a lens, you can keep on saving for the accessories! so you have plenty of saving to do and never have to take photographs!

the waiting lists are getting longer by the day! i hope the camera is as good as the high expectations planted into it, i really want one. i sincerely miss photographing with my m6 (which i still have).but there is just no way i would touch film again.

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I appreciate some of your photos on your web site... Ya, Leica is expensive (hoping Zeiss-Ikon can build a DRF that's just a LITTLE cheaper), but it's Leica. I don't expect it to be cheap. I do expect it to be the best.
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Seriously, I think the best thing about Leica is the long life of almost all the lenses and accessories and they are highly exchangeable, you bought it at high premium but often also sold them at premium. Most of the Leica product are well made, can be maintained quie easily and remain fuctional for a long time with consistent performance.
I appreciate some of your photos on your web site... Ya, Leica is
expensive (hoping Zeiss-Ikon can build a DRF that's just a LITTLE
cheaper), but it's Leica. I don't expect it to be cheap. I do
expect it to be the best.
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so once you saved enough money to get the camera and a lens, you
can keep on saving for the accessories! so you have plenty of
saving to do and never have to take photographs!
What? You've got plenty of time to take photographs because you don't have any money to spend on other activities :-)
 
you know what i really love about leica?
I love the lenses, they are worth the price.
i sincerely miss photographing with my m6 (which i still
have).but there is just no way i would touch film again.
Aww, that's too bad, another one who has fallen for the hype of digital only, don't look back.

Time to get to work, I get to shoot whatever I want in my full time job of photography, film or digital. Today, it is both, lots on my M6..:-).
 
They were almost bankrupt not so long ago. If they keep asking these prices they will go down again.

For that money you can get the most rugged and probably most perfected DSLR on the market, the Nikon D2x (the top Canons are better but at an extra cost). If you are really honest you will have to admit that the D2x has much more possibilities than the M8. That is a simple fact. What does the M8 have to justify its price compared to the D2x (and for that matter to the D200 and lots of Canon cameras as well) and I mean to justify the production cost.

For those talking about Vietnam and the other wars: when the Nikon F entered the scene in 1959 it meant game over for Leica, which never really recovered from Nikon, Canon and the likes.

I am a professional photographer and none of my colleagues work with Leica. The M-series were fragile compared to the sheer ruggedness of the professional Nikon and Canon cameras. When your income really depends on a camera, there is simply no other option.

Mind you, I like the M-series (shutter sound - lost in the digital M, low speed ability, etc.) a lot, though I consider them to be too expensive also and it is not because H. Cartier-Bresson made some of the world's most famous pictures with it, that this will change my view on its price.

It's the same with cars, everyone says them to be of 'Deutsche Gründlichkeit", but I must ad to that: 'Sondern nicht einwandfrei', while every single survey proves that Japanese cars are far more reliable than German cars.

Please do not take this as a personal attack. All I am saying is that there is a lot of hype about Leicas. If the former Oscar Barnack company would sell their M8 at the price of the D200 for instance there is a chance of survival for Leitz Cameras, but to me their future does not look very bright.

Of course, for those who can spend the money, I am sure it will not be entirely wasted.

And when it comes to quality, pictures made with top quality gear of the other brands will prove to be of no lesser quality than those made with a Leica. When I was a photography student, 25 years ago, I already fooled one of my teachers, with a studio shot, pretending it to have been made with a Hasselblad, while actually it was made with a very cheap twin-lens Mamiya. He replied: 'You can tell it's from a Blad'. I knew enough then. My opinions on the subject haven't changed since.

I promise to leave the Leica forum alone. But this was stronger than me.

Guy FRANCOIS
Brussels - Belgium
 
We do not agree.
They were almost bankrupt not so long ago. If they keep asking
these prices they will go down again.

For that money you can get the most rugged and probably most
perfected DSLR on the market, the Nikon D2x (the top Canons are
better but at an extra cost). If you are really honest you will
have to admit that the D2x has much more possibilities than the M8.
That is a simple fact. What does the M8 have to justify its price
compared to the D2x (and for that matter to the D200 and lots of
Canon cameras as well) and I mean to justify the production cost.

For those talking about Vietnam and the other wars: when the Nikon
F entered the scene in 1959 it meant game over for Leica, which
never really recovered from Nikon, Canon and the likes.

I am a professional photographer and none of my colleagues work
with Leica. The M-series were fragile compared to the sheer
ruggedness of the professional Nikon and Canon cameras. When your
income really depends on a camera, there is simply no other option.

Mind you, I like the M-series (shutter sound - lost in the digital
M, low speed ability, etc.) a lot, though I consider them to be too
expensive also and it is not because H. Cartier-Bresson made some
of the world's most famous pictures with it, that this will change
my view on its price.

It's the same with cars, everyone says them to be of 'Deutsche
Gründlichkeit", but I must ad to that: 'Sondern nicht einwandfrei',
while every single survey proves that Japanese cars are far more
reliable than German cars.

Please do not take this as a personal attack. All I am saying is
that there is a lot of hype about Leicas. If the former Oscar
Barnack company would sell their M8 at the price of the D200 for
instance there is a chance of survival for Leitz Cameras, but to me
their future does not look very bright.

Of course, for those who can spend the money, I am sure it will not
be entirely wasted.

And when it comes to quality, pictures made with top quality gear
of the other brands will prove to be of no lesser quality than
those made with a Leica. When I was a photography student, 25 years
ago, I already fooled one of my teachers, with a studio shot,
pretending it to have been made with a Hasselblad, while actually
it was made with a very cheap twin-lens Mamiya. He replied: 'You
can tell it's from a Blad'. I knew enough then. My opinions on the
subject haven't changed since.

I promise to leave the Leica forum alone. But this was stronger
than me.

Guy FRANCOIS
Brussels - Belgium
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Just kidding.

Kind regards and have fun taking pictures.

Guy FRANCOIS
 
I promise to leave the Leica forum alone. But this was stronger
than me.

Guy FRANCOIS
Brussels - Belgium
Not everyone can use a RF camera and not everyone can afford a Leica. Obviously, you can do neither.

Many of us can do both.

Best,

Bill
 
The Nutcases that are provoked into attacking it!

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That you don't tuch film again, pity but fair, marketing zombied
you quet well :)
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Hardly think people who no longer use film makes them Zombied. It has biased those who do use film against the one who don't. I used it for 40 years and still do but find it getting to be more of a pain to deal with. I gave up the darkroom years ago and have no regrets after seeing what I can do in PhotoShop.

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Hmm:

The M8 offers one thing that the Nikon and Canon do not -- easy access to Leica M-mount glass.

As to you fooling your teacher well, ever think that the teacher just wasn't very good?
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I am from the Nikon forum and have seen many of a feeding frenzy.

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They were almost bankrupt not so long ago. If they keep asking
these prices they will go down again.

For that money you can get the most rugged and probably most
perfected DSLR on the market, the Nikon D2x (the top Canons are
better but at an extra cost).
How can a Canon be better than the "most perfected" Nikon?
 
That you don't tuch film again, pity but fair, marketing zombied
you quet well :)
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Hardly think people who no longer use film makes them Zombied. It
has biased those who do use film against the one who don't. I used
it for 40 years and still do but find it getting to be more of a
pain to deal with. I gave up the darkroom years ago and have no
regrets after seeing what I can do in PhotoShop.
Sorry if I offended you, but I think it is rather strange how many people put down film as if it were hard years of doing thier laundry by hand. Digital makes me love it more, it is FAR from a pain to deal with. Digital is great, but in the right hands, it still pales compared to film.
 
Leica, like Nikon and Canon is a brand that people are passionate about. They love it, they hate it, they "get it" or they "don't get it". If Leica were a hum-drum white-bread kinda camera, then there wouldn't be so many opinions floating about. I think Leica is one of the oldest "camera" companies still making cameras. That says something.

I personally love Leica's and Rangefinder style photography in general. WHEN I get a M8, I will use it in my business, because I choose what camera to use. Will it replace my DSLR? No. Will it replace my 4x5 view camera? No. Doesn't matter. They are all for different purposes. I will be "expanding" my digital capabilities. Oh, and I will also use it for fun and personal art pics.

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