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blinky led said:
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First the 14-35 f/2. Announced Feb 2005 and still a vaporware.

Now the E-x.

Any other manufacture out there have products announced 1 1/2 year
ago that's still not shipping?

I believe Oly is the only manufaturer that strings the user along
like this.
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Mamyia ZD
Leica DRM
Panasonic L1 (ok, only 6 months)
Pentax MZ-D1 (their full frame DSLR from 2000)
Pentax 645D
Nikon 70-300 VR
Tokina 70-200/2,8
Minolta 28-70/2,8 SSM
Minolta 35/1,4
Canon 400/4 DO

...come to my mind
 
SuPrBuGmAn said:
Wasn't the 14-35/f2 delayed for redesign, to make it
smaller/lighter? Seems reasonable to me.
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It really doesn't matter why it's a year late arriving does it? I find this rumor regarding a redesign to make it smaller / lighter amusing. Do you really think they originally designed it to be larger / heavier than it needed to be and are then are delaying introduction a year (or more) while they trim unnecessary size and weight? Can you point me to some official annoucement from Olympus stating that is why they have delayed introduction of the 14-35mm?
SuPrBuGmAn said:
E3? Its coming, I would hardly call it vaporwear.
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I didn't call the E-3 vaporware, I called the 14-35 vaporware. Until Olympus announce the E-3 it's just fantasy.
SuPrBuGmAn said:
Photokina isn't
far away, the you can moan on whatever shortcomings you THINK it
has that you THINK you need.
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My expectations for the E-3 aren't that high, so I will be one of the few that won't be disappointed.

Regards,
Scott

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As we celebrate mediocrity all the boys upstairs want to see
How much you'll pay for what you used to get for free
  • Tom Petty
 
I know many had faith in Olympus, but this is bordering zealot and fanatics. Reality is Oly had enouhg time in the 4/3 and yet still unable to come up with a decent lineup of product ( lens and cameras ). Its plain truth and from a business and long term viability point of view for the Oly and by extension 4/3 .... its not looking bright. Although I am not going to say its doomsday scenario, but certainly Oly's initial vision of regaining a sizable and major share of Advanced Digital photography market is but now a vision , and likely remain so.

There is several way to read the announcement, but the key point is
  • Its going to be a prototype / pre-production at best, which mean Oly is not ready to launch it ( I hope I am wrong ) and if Oly having problem to come up with a decent body even after all these time, Its going to worry customers and certainly not inspiring faith in prospective ones
  • It do not exclude other models, so it might just that the E-1 replacement were delayed while Oly see to that they should deploy the long rumored and promised E-XX ( 2 digit mid range body ). There is speculation on this matter on quite a few Japanese online community but there is no real info regarding one way or the other
  • it might be an intentional lead by Oly to DCwatch so as to pacify the market.
But anyway, Photokina is probably going to be ta marketing challengr for Oly when the Mfr need to made out how the 4/3 will go. Any mumbo jumbo and so so is not going to be enlightening to customers and certainly not doing good for the Mfr and the system.

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Franka
 
Franka, on your comment of a decent lineup. I would consider the E-500, E-330, E-1, 7-14, 11-22, 14-54, 50-200, FL50... a decent lineup. Add in the uber lenses: 300mm, 90-250mm... Maybe it's not the best lineup, but I consider it very decent. Certainly there are 1000s of pictures produced with this lineup that are beyond just decent!

But I hear what you are saying. If your a pro. and depend on keeping up, it's barely decent. For everyone else, it's just hard waiting. In wake of feature-full new cameras such as the K100D, D80, and A100, it's hard to wait, and Olympus isn't tossing bread crust secrets to forum gulls.

I'm an optimist about Photokina. I hope to see good things there, but what we have now is pretty decent for my needs.

Cheers, Seth

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What if the hokey pokey really is what it's all about?

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SirSeth said:
Franka, on your comment of a decent lineup. I would consider the
E-500, E-330, E-1, 7-14, 11-22, 14-54, 50-200, FL50... a decent
lineup.
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The E-1 seems only to still be in the line-up because Olympus have not yet been able to dump all they made. So that leaves them with two entry level bodies and some nice lenses.

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Regards,
Scott

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As we celebrate mediocrity all the boys upstairs want to see
How much you'll pay for what you used to get for free
  • Tom Petty
 
JScott said:
It really doesn't matter why it's a year late arriving does it? I
find this rumor regarding a redesign to make it smaller / lighter
amusing. Do you really think they originally designed it to be
larger / heavier than it needed to be and are then are delaying
introduction a year (or more) while they trim unnecessary size and
weight? Can you point me to some official annoucement from Olympus
stating that is why they have delayed introduction of the 14-35mm?
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The pictures of the first prototype from PMA 2005 are available online, we just have to compare those with the final product, when it is announced.

This one is very easy.
 
Thats funny Raymond,

I have been told the same thing by some Reps [NOT my local one Terry he kicks some mF*ing ass BTW] that we were going to see two new bodies. And the one that he mentioned was a pro sports body. That was for the end of last year already.
-Jonathan
Raymond Wardenaer said:
When I bought my E-1 three years ago Olympus stated that there
would be a model "above" the E-1, more suited for sports. That is
three years ago!
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Raymond
http://home.online.no/~rwardena
http://www.volleyball.no/t3.asp?p=57227 (E-1)
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-Jonathan Puckrin
E-1 :: OM 1 :: Bronica
 
JScott said:
Three years later and Olympus have a mock-up of the E-1 successor?
It was a year between when the "prototype" of the E-1 was shown at
Photokina 2002 and when it was released into the wild. The 14-35mm
f2 was announced in February 2005 to be available autumn 2005 and
is still vaporware. Clearly Olympus must be having a problem
creating competitive a pro / avanced enthusiast camera and fulling
the promise of fast optics.
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The creation of cameras for an advanced enthusiast or professional is not as difficult as making money, and sustaining that profitable business!

Note:

1) That the first quarter FY2007 financials show that Olympus has improved their profitability over the previous year. Including in the Imaging segment, which is more profitable now than in the previous year at this time.

2) During the May 2006 Corporate Strategy Briefing, Olympus clearly had as one of its three priority measures to "Build a sustainable profit base for the Imaging Business". They used an image of the E-330 to illustrate what they meant - and SLR system that would provide a continuous income stream.

3) During that briefing they explicitly mentioned the "New concept D-SLR" as the future product.

Given 1) and 2) above, I for one would not worried about Olympus dumping the 4/3 system anytime soon. However, please note that sustainable profits means moving products at retailer shelves, and flagship bodies in camera lines are never high volume products. The E-500 and kit lens are the bread and butter of the 4/3 system, and as such it is more important to keep the entry level kit prominent in the market, not a low volume product. The E-330 no doubt has a higher margin, or at least that was intended but perhaps the current sales volume may not be what was hoped.

There is no magic here... top of the model line products are low volume, relatively high priced specialty items. That implies that any $$$ invested in R&D for the E-1 successor should be reusable to other products in the line, otherwise it does not make much sense to spend much $ in development. There is no DSLR today which retails (sales price, not MSRP) at over $1500 that is anything but relatively very low volume compared to total DSLR sales. That puts a price cap on the product, assuming one wants to move a reasonable volume.

Furthermore, through Olympus' choice, the 4/3 system uses a smaller sensor which, while adequate for many applications, nevertheless will always be measured against the larger sensors, especially for any camera to which the "pro" label is attached. That means it is paramount that Olympus really produces a top quality product in all aspects.

-gt
 
Jón Ragnarsson said:
We only have the trademark logo, and some vague references from
interviews.
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Olympus was very clear about new bodies being introduced above the E-1 at the time of it's introduction. It was one of the reasons I went with 4/3's and has become one of the reasons I now own a lot of Nikon gear.

Best,

Bill
 
Hi Franka,
Franka T.L. said:
I know many had faith in Olympus, but this is bordering zealot and
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I'm not sure I agree. Oly supporters are not zealots as much as they are realistic and pragmatic

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Franka T.L. said:
  • Its going to be a prototype / pre-production at best, which mean
Oly is not ready to launch it ( I hope I am wrong ) and if Oly
having problem to come up with a decent body even after all these
time, Its going to worry customers and certainly not inspiring
faith in prospective ones
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The fact is, if you look across the E- product line, you'll see that Oly has all of the pieces to make a kick-butt E-3. The problem that they run into is that noone makes a good double-digit 4/3 sensor. Canon/Sony/Foveon/Fuji all make APS sized sensors and none are making 4/3 sensors. So what's Oly to do? All that is left are Kodak and Panasonic. Kodak had a poor track record of noisy sensors, and Panasonic too, until recently with their newest NMOS sensor. Do you really think in the halls of Matsushita they have a 10+ MP low noise sensor waiting to be snatched up? The reality is they are constrained by their component manufacturers and this has nothing to do with whether or not Olympus can create awesome cameras, because that's exactly what they've been doing. So until Fuji/Panasonic pulls through for Olympus, we're stuck waiting.

George

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..., Olympus
greentoe said:
clearly had as one of its three priority measures to "Build a
sustainable profit base for the Imaging Business". They used an
image of the E-330 to illustrate what they meant - ...
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If this is true, the present Olympus corporate management is made of the most inept people out there: E-330 is NOT selling at all.
Luckily I'm not a shareholder!
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Rapick
Old Glory Ninetynine-five, New Companion E-Threehundred
PBase supporter
http://www.pbase.com/rapick
 
George Hsia said:
... The
problem that they run into is that noone makes a good double-digit
4/3 sensor...
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So, they have been designing a top-level Dslr during 2 years without even knowing IF an proper sensor is available?
If I were a shareholder, I would terminate them immediately!
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Rapick
Old Glory Ninetynine-five, New Companion E-Threehundred
PBase supporter
http://www.pbase.com/rapick
 
rapick said:
..., Olympus
rapick said:
clearly had as one of its three priority measures to "Build a
sustainable profit base for the Imaging Business". They used an
image of the E-330 to illustrate what they meant - ...
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If this is true, the present Olympus corporate management is made
of the most inept people out there: E-330 is NOT selling at all.
Luckily I'm not a shareholder!
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I dunno, the last time I talked with an Oly rep, he said they were selling like gangbusters. Obviously they are not being sold through retail outlets like BestBuy, but then the camera is not really just yet another consumer body.
 
Member said:
What is really pathethic is people who buy into a system waiting
for some "new high end system to come out so it can make them
better photographers." It won't. This just shows that you are
busier with equipment than photography. If you really - or - if
anybody really needs something else, buy something else. For
starters that Nikon D80 looks nice.

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Raist3d
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It makes sense to buy new lenses when there is an upgrade path available. It does not make much sense when there is none. And yes, better camera will take better pictures. Especially if you want to try more than just lucky snapshots.
  • Sergey
 
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