Canon eating its own words?

I can't believe some of you still think this is about who makes
better cameras or claiming the #1 seed in net sales. Canon didn't
directly mention Sony's name, but I think even Phil Askey would
agree they were referring to Sony as not having any film camera
knowledge, so Sony bought out a company that does. Simple as that,
sticking it to the man.
You had an odd "chip-on-your-shoulder" perspective of the world, with these "sticking it to the Man" comments. Canon earned every bit of marketshare they've captured, doing it all on their own, building their system from nothing. They are "the Man" because they've earned it. Sony, on the other hand, went out and bought a system. And in the future, they may just pay Carl Zeiss to make any future lenses, like they have Carl Zeiss make lenses for their digicams. It's the "flash the cash" method of getting ahead, where you don't actually have to do all that much yourself; you just hire someone else to do it for you (ie, Carl Zeiss), or buy someone else's achievements (ie, Minolta's system), and you take all the credit. Sounds like it should be Sony that someone should be "sticking it to".

Sony has a lot of money, and plays rough. They love shoving their own formats down people's throats: Memory Stick (their own flash memory format), ATRAC (their own audio compression format), UMD (their own digital media for PSP) are but a few recent examples. They muscled their way into home video game consoles with their Playstation, driving Sega out of the market and pushing Nintendo to the fringes. And now they're going to muscle their way into DSLR cameras. In a few years, you'll probably be wishing that someone were sticking it to Sony.
 
They muscled their way into home video game consoles with their
Playstation, driving Sega out of the market and pushing Nintendo to
the fringes.
I agree with many of your examples but you give Sony too much credit in this case.

The Playstation is Nintendo's fault. It was originally designed to be a CD-ROM add-on to the Super Nintendo, but Nintendo backed out of the deal before the project was completed. Rather than waste all that R&D money, Sony spent the extra money to turn the SNES peripheral into a full-fledged gaming console. I still have the magazine article (EGM) that first broke the news of the Nintendo Playstation. ;-)

Nintendo and Sega also made some really boneheaded moves that lost them lots of customers. Like Nintendo sticking to cartridges and losing major developers or Sega lying to their customers about 32x/Saturn compatibility resulting in poor Saturn sales.

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Joe

http://www.pbase.com/pyogenes/favorites (Not exactly a good example of photography...)

Any perceived rudeness, condescending tone, or insults are not intended, but rather the result of my inability to properly express myself with the written word.
 
Canon aren't eating anything right now. Frankly having used a few
Sony Compact P&S cameras they could use all the help they can get
when it comes to designing a camera to take photos.
That they haven't been able to get ISO into the viewfinder for years- that must be stumpting those "mighty minds" (who are probably preoccupied in figuring out what they can disable in the 20D followon so it doens't compete with the 5D).

If only they spent as much time getting their products right as they did taking out features.

Indulis
 
That they haven't been able to get ISO into the viewfinder for
years- that must be stumpting those "mighty minds" (who are
probably preoccupied in figuring out what they can disable in the
20D followon so it doens't compete with the 5D).

If only they spent as much time getting their products right as
they did taking out features.

Indulis
Actually, they have had the ISO in the viewfinder (in the 1-series), but you're apparently not in the target market for such a feature. :)

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Tom
 
If you have read those articles, Canon only start expanding its manufaturing plant in 2003. Probably, Canon only started more aggressively fabricating their only sensors in recent year after the faciliities are in place.

But, before that Canon was solely relying on Sony to supply their sensors. The PowerShot series still uses CCD made by Sony.

Just open up your eos camera and then you will find how much is made by Canon : ) Noone will be making all their own chips and components. It just does not make any sense. If one company does that, it go under sooner in the game.
 
I don't have anything against them, in fact I've spent tons of money on Sony products. However, the compact market doesn't, yet anyway, interest me so I struggle with my, perhaps small, brain to see what impact the announcement has on the 20D/10D/D60/D30 or forthcoming xxD cameras?
 
Canon aren't eating anything right now. Frankly having used a few
Sony Compact P&S cameras they could use all the help they can get
when it comes to designing a camera to take photos.
That they haven't been able to get ISO into the viewfinder for
years- that must be stumpting those "mighty minds" (who are
probably preoccupied in figuring out what they can disable in the
20D followon so it doens't compete with the 5D).
I think viewfinder ISO is a bit petty to complain about. Some cameras have had it, it is a decison on features that it is left out on lower DSLRs.

My gripe with Sony cameras (and for the record I'm talking compacts since they have no track record with DSLRs) is the amount of time you have to wait for the damn thing to take a photo.

My perception of Sony cameras is people trying to look at the LCD back, pressing the shutter, painting people's faces orange for a few seconds, then a pre-flash, then finally the main shot. In the mean time all but professional makeup models have cramp in their cheeks... ;o)
If only they spent as much time getting their products right as
they did taking out features.

Indulis
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My perception of Sony cameras is people trying to look at the LCD
back, pressing the shutter, painting people's faces orange for a
few seconds, then a pre-flash, then finally the main shot. In the
mean time all but professional makeup models have cramp in their
cheeks... ;o)
I guess it's been a long time since you've used a Canon digital P&S in low light. Those make the Sony cameras look like cheetahs flying fighter jets while high on speed... But what do we care, we're all DSLR users here. ;-)

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Joe

http://www.pbase.com/pyogenes/favorites (Not exactly a good example of photography...)

Any perceived rudeness, condescending tone, or insults are not intended, but rather the result of my inability to properly express myself with the written word.
 
My perception of Sony cameras is people trying to look at the LCD
back, pressing the shutter, painting people's faces orange for a
few seconds, then a pre-flash, then finally the main shot. In the
mean time all but professional makeup models have cramp in their
cheeks... ;o)
I guess it's been a long time since you've used a Canon digital P&S
in low light. Those make the Sony cameras look like cheetahs
flying fighter jets while high on speed... But what do we care,
we're all DSLR users here. ;-)
This is true on both cases. My last encounter with a Canon didn't seem all that bad though. Maybe I have a selective memory ;o)
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Joe
http://www.pbase.com/pyogenes/favorites (Not exactly a good example
of photography...)

Any perceived rudeness, condescending tone, or insults are not
intended, but rather the result of my inability to properly express
myself with the written word.
--
http://public.fotki.com/wibble/public_display/

 
Canon has made better all around cameras as compared to Sony for years now......Manual modes, TV, AV all pretty standard on Canon's offerings while Sony and that P-line with the auto modes. Canon has always offered - to me - more bang for the buck when it came to feature set.

I personally believe that Sony's foray into the SLR market will result in little to nothing.....I don't anticipate seeing many Sony SLR's along the sidelines of the next 3-4 SuperBowls by any means!

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bauerman
http://www.bauerman.galleries.photoshare.co.nz
 

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