We all know who WAS full of beans! 1D

[John Greco]

As for all the hype and rumors and total crud WE all heard about the new pro SLR....and posted....with the exemption of my humorous post.......we now know who was full of baked beans!

Now we see the specs of this new 1D, It looks a whole lot different from all the specs and gossip that was posted on this site.

Now, I post the question....after it has come to be......WHERE DID EVERYONE GET ALL THEIR WRONG INFORMATION FROM?????????

Please tell me!!!!! I just have to know!!

Are these so called Canon reps so full of crap that they would lie to you about their company's new product??

Are the camera reseller's who supplied you with this bunk pulling your leg all along??

Were these "photojournalists" who were working with the new top secret camera....which WAS what Canon WAS coming out with .....made up stories???

And all these reports of several types of cameras....with specs like 6MP full 35mm.....10IPS, bla bla this and that....Ahhhh????

Oh and let's not forget all the stories about the actual release date.....which came and went again....and again.....and again..........

Gosh! Tell me tell me tell me!! Pleeeeeease!

JPG/MM

--Good Day! John Greco

 

[Paul Greenleaf]

John, seems like no one wants to shoot their mouth off now. Wonder why?????

As for all the hype and rumors and total crud WE all heard about
the new pro SLR....and posted....with the exemption of my humorous
post.......we now know who was full of baked beans!

Now we see the specs of this new 1D, It looks a whole lot different
from all the specs and gossip that was posted on this site.

Now, I post the question....after it has come to be......WHERE DID
EVERYONE GET ALL THEIR WRONG INFORMATION FROM?????????

Please tell me!!!!! I just have to know!!

Are these so called Canon reps so full of crap that they would lie
to you about their company's new product??

Are the camera reseller's who supplied you with this bunk pulling
your leg all along??

Were these "photojournalists" who were working with the new top
secret camera....which WAS what Canon WAS coming out with .....made
up stories???

And all these reports of several types of cameras....with specs
like 6MP full 35mm.....10IPS, bla bla this and that....Ahhhh????

Oh and let's not forget all the stories about the actual release
date.....which came and went again....and again.....and
again..........

Gosh! Tell me tell me tell me!! Pleeeeeease!

JPG/MM

--
Good Day! John Greco

 

[Kit59087]

There are just too many people out there who haven't got the slightest idea about what they're mouthing about.

For all you know, those Canon reps, camera resellers, photojournalists, whatever might just be a fragment of their wildest imaginations. But hey, you've got to give them credit for daring to dream.

As for all the hype and rumors and total crud WE all heard about
the new pro SLR....and posted....with the exemption of my humorous
post.......we now know who was full of baked beans!

Now we see the specs of this new 1D, It looks a whole lot different
from all the specs and gossip that was posted on this site.

Now, I post the question....after it has come to be......WHERE DID
EVERYONE GET ALL THEIR WRONG INFORMATION FROM?????????

Please tell me!!!!! I just have to know!!

Are these so called Canon reps so full of crap that they would lie
to you about their company's new product??

Are the camera reseller's who supplied you with this bunk pulling
your leg all along??

Were these "photojournalists" who were working with the new top
secret camera....which WAS what Canon WAS coming out with .....made
up stories???

And all these reports of several types of cameras....with specs
like 6MP full 35mm.....10IPS, bla bla this and that....Ahhhh????

Oh and let's not forget all the stories about the actual release
date.....which came and went again....and again.....and
again..........

Gosh! Tell me tell me tell me!! Pleeeeeease!

JPG/MM

--
Good Day! John Greco

 

[Guillermo Shashte]

Gosh! Tell me tell me tell me!! Pleeeeeease!

JPG/MM

--
Good Day! John Greco

One thing is sure. They are developing new cameras and researching different technologies but we don't know which ones will be released and when. They may have already a working D30 successor and also a prototype for the next one. It is not uncommon to start a project and have a committed release date, then encounter technical problems which cause delays or to have two parallel developments and released only the most viable product.

 

[Kai Pin47209]

As for all the hype and rumors and total crud WE all heard about
the new pro SLR....and posted....with the exemption of my humorous
post.......we now know who was full of baked beans!
Now we see the specs of this new 1D, It looks a whole lot different
from all the specs and gossip that was posted on this site.
Now, I post the question....after it has come to be......WHERE DID
EVERYONE GET ALL THEIR WRONG INFORMATION FROM?????????
Please tell me!!!!! I just have to know!!

No doubt that were a lot of rumours over the past few months and some of them were obviously plain jokes ...

Are these so called Canon reps so full of crap that they would lie
to you about their company's new product??
Are the camera reseller's who supplied you with this bunk pulling
your leg all along??

People said they were told of this and that from their local Canon reps -- doesn't really mean that those reps told them so. It could be stories made up by these people ...

Were these "photojournalists" who were working with the new top
secret camera....which WAS what Canon WAS coming out with .....made
up stories???

No, they didn't. In most cases, the photographers that tested the camera were Japanese professionals, those that Tokyo can trust to keep everything under tight lid until the official announcement. Of course, some of them can give a few hints here and there in between, coupled with their typical Japanese accent English, no many will believe it anyway ...

And all these reports of several types of cameras....with specs
like 6MP full 35mm.....10IPS, bla bla this and that....Ahhhh????

A version with 6.6mp CMOS/8 fps was one of the prototypes -- however, there was practically nothing about this 4.15mp, 8 fps w/CCD version that has been officially announced.

I am wondering at which point Canon decided to delay the CMOS version?

"Current technology doesn't allow them to use CMOS at 8fps" is just another excuse as far as I am concerned -- when Canon launched the EOS-1N back in Photokina '94, one of the questions asked was "Why Canon did not make a new booster for the EOS-1N that has a vertical Main Dial similar to the one available on the optional Handgrip of the EOS 5 (A2/A2E)?"

The reply was: "It will make the booster bulky and not practical so we decided not to feature it and just improved the circuitry on the PDB-E1 to accept AA-size lithium batteries"

Fast-forward to Sept '98: The EOS-3 was launched with PB-E2 that has a vertical Main Dial and only slightly bigger base than the PDB-E1.

For those who have decide that the current 1D is the camera for them, that's good. As for those who prefer to wait for the CMOS version, this is better still but there is also the risk of waiting longer than usual -- right now Canon has the discretion of announcing it at the next PMA Show 2002 (very unlikely) or Photokina 2002 or it will just delay it further and consider it as the replacement for the current 1D by PMA/Photokina 2004.

Oh and let's not forget all the stories about the actual release
date.....which came and went again....and again.....and
again ..........

As far as I am concerned, I have always maintained that the official release date will be around Sept/Oct 2001 and the first public showing is likely to be at NYC's Photo Plus East EXPO to be held at Jacob Javits Center (is still ON despite the recent attacks).

ANOTHER THING: Both Canon USA and Canon Inc. Japan are monitoring the Pro Digital and Canon SLR Talk forums -- so anyone who want to have their constructive views (especially the price of the EOS-1D and other ridiculous business practices) to be heard by them, feel free to say more ... but leave the silly and sarcastic ones out.

Kai Pin

 

[Phil Askey]

Unfortunately Kai Pin, a lot of the mis-information and expectation about a 6mp D-SLR came from you:

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=751682

What is the source of the 6MP sensor rumor?

That will be me.

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1014&message=1196382

Type I: 7 fps, uses three BP-511s in optional battery pack. Single pack for body alone. And 6MP CMOS.

Type II: Also 7 fps, three BP-511s via integrated battery pack/vertical grip. Same CMOS sensor.

Type III*: 8 and 10 fps, user option for either a new battery pack that holds three BP-511s or the PB-E2, 6.6 MP (24x36) CMOS sensor.
Type IV: 10 fps, integrated PB-E2, 6.6 MP (24x36) CMOS sensor.

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=1549136

"continuous 8 fps shooting without buffering problem until one runs out of disk space in either the loaded CF or Microdrive card?"

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=1536848

"All these news about Canon ditching CMOS in favour of CCD are just baseless rumours"

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=802558

I just found out the list price recently that Canon intends to market the pro digital 1V version. At that list price, the retail should be less than $4K, bearing any fluctuation in exchange rate.

Oh, the irony...
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=755797

I am allowed a verbal NDA mainly because I have managed to conceal all of the new products of any brand previously...

ANOTHER THING: Both Canon USA and Canon Inc. Japan are monitoring
the Pro Digital and Canon SLR Talk forums -- so anyone who want to
have their constructive views (especially the price of the EOS-1D
and other ridiculous business practices) to be heard by them, feel
free to say more ... but leave the silly and sarcastic ones out.

Kai Pin

 

[Kai Pin47209]

Unfortunately Kai Pin, a lot of the mis-information and expectation
about a 6mp D-SLR came from you:

I don't deny what I have said over the past 10 months in this forum (and the Pro Digital's) but as for "this Canon rep and that Canon rep said this and that "or "my dealer told me this and that" did not originated from me.

Right now I can also admit to having distorted some of them on purpose, in order to see just how far these rumours travel to other sites on the Net and then claiming them as coming from their very own Canon sources ... some of them appeared in sites which I have never visited before until I got there via a link or recommendations ...

I am sure you (and some others) knew very well by then what my hint was when I posted some messages/replies earlier this month about "things will get clearer within the next three-to-five weeks from now where all the news, rumours, hints, etc. so far has any basis or otherwise" ...

Kai Pin

 

[Phil Askey]

False rumours don't help anyone, indeed they are damaging to both the manufacturer, the quality of discussion in the forum and the reputation of this site.

Look at peoples expectation of a 6mp based on a rumour started somewhere (not saying that was you).

Unfortunately Kai Pin, a lot of the mis-information and expectation
about a 6mp D-SLR came from you:

I don't deny what I have said over the past 10 months in this forum
(and the Pro Digital's) but as for "this Canon rep and that Canon
rep said this and that "or "my dealer told me this and that" did
not originated from me.

Right now I can also admit to having distorted some of them on
purpose, in order to see just how far these rumours travel to other
sites on the Net and then claiming them as coming from their very
own Canon sources ... some of them appeared in sites which I have
never visited before until I got there via a link or
recommendations ...

I am sure you (and some others) knew very well by then what my hint
was when I posted some messages/replies earlier this month about
"things will get clearer within the next three-to-five weeks from
now where all the news, rumours, hints, etc. so far has any basis
or otherwise" ...

Kai Pin

 

[samurai]

Pardon?

Are you saying some of the prospective specs you announced have been fabricated?

JR

Unfortunately Kai Pin, a lot of the mis-information and expectation
about a 6mp D-SLR came from you:

I don't deny what I have said over the past 10 months in this forum
(and the Pro Digital's) but as for "this Canon rep and that Canon
rep said this and that "or "my dealer told me this and that" did
not originated from me.

Right now I can also admit to having distorted some of them on
purpose, in order to see just how far these rumours travel to other
sites on the Net and then claiming them as coming from their very
own Canon sources ... some of them appeared in sites which I have
never visited before until I got there via a link or
recommendations ...

I am sure you (and some others) knew very well by then what my hint
was when I posted some messages/replies earlier this month about
"things will get clearer within the next three-to-five weeks from
now where all the news, rumours, hints, etc. so far has any basis
or otherwise" ...

Kai Pin

 

[Kai Pin47209]

False rumours don't help anyone, indeed they are damaging to both
the manufacturer, the quality of discussion in the forum and the
reputation of this site.

Look at peoples expectation of a 6mp based on a rumour started
somewhere (not saying that was you).

Agreed. With the 1D announced, you can be sure of less rumours from now on. And I won't be taking part in any of them anymore other than refuting the baseless ones outright, not only on the 1D but any Canon products -- EF lenses, accessories, etc. if this is ok with you?

Right now I can also admit to having distorted some of them on
purpose, in order to see just how far these rumours travel to other
sites on the Net and then claiming them as coming from their very
own Canon sources ... some of them appeared in sites which I have
never visited before until I got there via a link or
recommendations ...

The above wasn't finished (press Post by mistake) ... should have include this as well:

"then I will know for sure whether future postings from these people have any basis or otherwise"

Kai Pin

 

[Shem]

Maybe canon is working on a 6mp cmos camera right now. It wouldn't be strange at all. The D1h is targeted at photojournalist who need fast Fps, and the D1x at pros who need higher res. So maybe canon will come up with a higher res, lower fps pro digital. I'll keep my D30 until someone makes a 8mp camera, below 5k. Anyway, by the samples I've seen so far, I like the 1-D pictures better than the D1x. That nikon algorithm to make up for missing pixels shows up, while the pictures from the 1-d from canon look as clean as the D30, but sharper.

Have a good one!!!

 

[Kai Pin47209]

Pardon?

Are you saying some of the prospective specs you announced have
been fabricated?

Concerning the EOS-1D? Yes. Only on those below:

Type I: 7 fps, uses three BP-511s in optional battery pack. Single pack for body alone. And 6MP CMOS.

Type II: Also 7 fps, three BP-511s via integrated battery pack/vertical grip. Same CMOS sensor.

Type III*: 8 and 10 fps, user option for either a new battery pack that holds three BP-511s or the PB-E2, 6.6 MP (24x36) CMOS sensor.

Type IV: 10 fps, integrated PB-E2, 6.6 MP (24x36) CMOS sensor.

REALITY: Only Type III and IV exist -- the actual Type I or II prototypes don't have the above said specs but are similar to Type III & IV but with slower fps rate.

As for the integrated PB-E2 -- when you are shown a photo for about 20 seconds of the 1D with the caption that read as "Prototype: 6.6 CMOS, 8 fps", that's the only conclusion that came to mind back then in January.

Kai Pin

 

[Ian Johnston]

Dear, Kai Pin,

How sad for you, your credibility has just gone shooting through the floor.

Thanks Phil for pointing out the bearer of false rumours, I for one now know to ignore Kai Pins posting.

PS. Can the BBS screen keyword or usernames....

Ian.

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=751682

What is the source of the 6MP sensor rumor?

That will be me.

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1014&message=1196382
Type I: 7 fps, uses three BP-511s in optional battery pack. Single
pack for body alone. And 6MP CMOS.
Type II: Also 7 fps, three BP-511s via integrated battery
pack/vertical grip. Same CMOS sensor.
Type III*: 8 and 10 fps, user option for either a new battery pack
that holds three BP-511s or the PB-E2, 6.6 MP (24x36) CMOS sensor.
Type IV: 10 fps, integrated PB-E2, 6.6 MP (24x36) CMOS sensor.

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=1549136
"continuous 8 fps shooting without buffering problem until one runs
out of disk space in either the loaded CF or Microdrive card?"

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=1536848
"All these news about Canon ditching CMOS in favour of CCD are just
baseless rumours"

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=802558
I just found out the list price recently that Canon intends to
market the pro digital 1V version. At that list price, the retail
should be less than $4K, bearing any fluctuation in exchange rate.

Oh, the irony...
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=755797
I am allowed a verbal NDA mainly because I have managed to conceal
all of the new products of any brand previously...

ANOTHER THING: Both Canon USA and Canon Inc. Japan are monitoring
the Pro Digital and Canon SLR Talk forums -- so anyone who want to
have their constructive views (especially the price of the EOS-1D
and other ridiculous business practices) to be heard by them, feel
free to say more ... but leave the silly and sarcastic ones out.

Kai Pin

 

[Ian Johnston]

when you are shown a photo for about
20 seconds of the 1D with the caption that read as "Prototype: 6.6
CMOS, 8 fps", that's the only conclusion that came to mind back
then in January.

Why should I believe you.

Ian.

 

[Phil Askey]

Agreed. With the 1D announced, you can be sure of less rumours from
now on. And I won't be taking part in any of them anymore other
than refuting the baseless ones outright, not only on the 1D but
any Canon products -- EF lenses, accessories, etc. if this is ok
with you?

That's up to you.. if you wish to break your NDA and risk your future with Canon that's absolutely up to you.

 

[Mark27833]

As for all the hype and rumors and total crud WE all heard about
the new pro SLR....and posted....with the exemption of my humorous
post.......we now know who was full of baked beans!

Now we see the specs of this new 1D, It looks a whole lot different
from all the specs and gossip that was posted on this site.

Now, I post the question....after it has come to be......WHERE DID
EVERYONE GET ALL THEIR WRONG INFORMATION FROM?????????

Please tell me!!!!! I just have to know!!

Are these so called Canon reps so full of crap that they would lie
to you about their company's new product??

Are the camera reseller's who supplied you with this bunk pulling
your leg all along??

Were these "photojournalists" who were working with the new top
secret camera....which WAS what Canon WAS coming out with .....made
up stories???

And all these reports of several types of cameras....with specs
like 6MP full 35mm.....10IPS, bla bla this and that....Ahhhh????

Oh and let's not forget all the stories about the actual release
date.....which came and went again....and again.....and
again..........

Gosh! Tell me tell me tell me!! Pleeeeeease!

JPG/MM

--
Good Day! John Greco

I think we all should just sue Canon for getting our hopes up, and then they have the odosidy to create such a horrible piece of euipment they call a 1D.Hey, people smoke for forty years, die of cancer, then there families sue tobacco companies, right?

Yes, I know I said goodbye, but these post are so full of humour, I need my daily laugh.Suing is as stupid as some posts here.

 

[Chris King]

Kai,

I for one, took your predictions as reasonably reliable - you have been pretty close in the past. Islands of sense in a sea of random rumours, so to speak.

I felt very disappointed when Phil revealed the details of the EOS-1D, and the main reasons are 1) your predicted price, and 2) the specs posted below. I moved from and EOS-3 to a D30, and was looking forward to getting back some decent autofocus (amongst other things), for a price I could afford.

Objectively, my disappointment is irrational - the 1-D is very likely to be a stunning machine - as I am sure that Phil will tell us in time. I'll just have wait until I win the lottery, or 2003/4 for the EOS-D3 (or whatever).

I will now treat all rumours/predictions as just that, as I should have done in the first place.

regards

Chris

Pardon?

Are you saying some of the prospective specs you announced have
been fabricated?

Concerning the EOS-1D? Yes. Only on those below:

Type I: 7 fps, uses three BP-511s in optional battery pack. Single
pack for body alone. And 6MP CMOS.

Type II: Also 7 fps, three BP-511s via integrated battery
pack/vertical grip. Same CMOS sensor.

Type III*: 8 and 10 fps, user option for either a new battery pack
that holds three BP-511s or the PB-E2, 6.6 MP (24x36) CMOS sensor.

Type IV: 10 fps, integrated PB-E2, 6.6 MP (24x36) CMOS sensor.

REALITY: Only Type III and IV exist -- the actual Type I or II
prototypes don't have the above said specs but are similar to Type
III & IV but with slower fps rate.

As for the integrated PB-E2 -- when you are shown a photo for about
20 seconds of the 1D with the caption that read as "Prototype: 6.6
CMOS, 8 fps", that's the only conclusion that came to mind back
then in January.

Kai Pin

 

[Kai Pin47209]

Dear, Kai Pin,

How sad for you, your credibility has just gone shooting through
the floor.

Thanks Phil for pointing out the bearer of false rumours, I for one
now know to ignore Kai Pins posting.

No problem with me. I did make it clear earlier on (many months back) that it is up to anyone whether to believe what I have posted or otherwise since I don't have to convince anyone. Neither do I believe most of what I read from others as well.

Not many take my last hint (early Sept) seriously neither did they believe it much when I said the new camera will be known as the EOS-1D(igital), and not D1v, 1Dv or 1vD earlier this year.

The effect that it is aimed for -- that the majority of Canon EOS users will not be tempted to go over to the Nikon camp (which some already did) while further tweakings are been done to the 1D prior to its official announcement, has been achieved but Canon can still make it worse by pricing the 1D out of most users' budgets.

Kai Pin

 

[Kai Pin47209]

That's up to you.. if you wish to break your NDA and risk your
future with Canon that's absolutely up to you.

DONE. That means it is perfectly alright with you.

We now have the EOS-1D, the EF 16-35mm f/2.8L USM, EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM and EF 400mm f/4 DO IS USM plus the MT-24EX Macro Speedlite officially announced. Let's see, what's the next excitement?

With the exception of a CMOS version of the 1D, I don't see anyone will get excited over other new Canon products that may come our way by the 1st half of 2002. Of course, soon the next topic will be on the possible successor of the D30 but I will refrain from this one as non-pro digital machines do not interest me at all and I have my hands full evaluating both new and used pro, midrange and entry-level analog models of most brands anyway.

Kai Pin

 

[Chris King]

That's up to you.. if you wish to break your NDA and risk your
future with Canon that's absolutely up to you.

DONE. That means it is perfectly alright with you.

We now have the EOS-1D, the EF 16-35mm f/2.8L USM, EF 70-200mm
f/2.8L IS USM and EF 400mm f/4 DO IS USM plus the MT-24EX Macro
Speedlite officially announced. Let's see, what's the next
excitement?

With the exception of a CMOS version of the 1D, I don't see anyone
will get excited over other new Canon products that may come our
way by the 1st half of 2002. Of course, soon the next topic will be
on the possible successor of the D30 but I will refrain from this
one as non-pro digital machines do not interest me at all and I
have my hands full evaluating both new and used pro, midrange and
entry-level analog models of most brands anyway.

Kai Pin

Here we go again ;-)

Chris