Are G1s Good For New Users

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Hi all,

this is my first time posting, so if it is a stupid question please forgive me. I am a newcomer to photography. I guess the only thing that I have really done so far is shoot leisure pictures of my gatherings with friends, vacations, and etc... with an automatic point and shoot camera. I have been looking around for a digital camera for some time now and I have settled with the choice of G1. But after reading this forum (which I might add is very useful), I am wondering whether this is the camera for me. You can say I have very limited to no experiences with cameras. But I want a digital camera which can take good point and shoot pictures while I can still tweak with its manual features (when after awhile of learning photography through testing the machine at hand and browsing through websites, I want a camera that is capable of more then just a point and shoot). Any suggestions for whether G1 is the right camera for me, or should I pick something else?

Thanks alot for any info in advance.

Daniel
 
I am also a new photographer-to-be. I know that I have lots to learn and I'm very excited about that. Could anyone recommend a good G1 Photography book that would take me beyond the silly user's manual?
Thanks,
TPF
Hi all,
this is my first time posting, so if it is a stupid question please
forgive me. I am a newcomer to photography. I guess the only
thing that I have really done so far is shoot leisure pictures of
my gatherings with friends, vacations, and etc... with an automatic
point and shoot camera. I have been looking around for a digital
camera for some time now and I have settled with the choice of G1.
But after reading this forum (which I might add is very useful), I
am wondering whether this is the camera for me. You can say I have
very limited to no experiences with cameras. But I want a digital
camera which can take good point and shoot pictures while I can
still tweak with its manual features (when after awhile of learning
photography through testing the machine at hand and browsing
through websites, I want a camera that is capable of more then just
a point and shoot). Any suggestions for whether G1 is the right
camera for me, or should I pick something else?

Thanks alot for any info in advance.

Daniel
 
Daniel,

I bought a G1 about 5 months ago and have found it to be a great camera. If you want to make the most of its capabilities, I would recommend purchasing a begginer's book on photography such as the National Geographic Field Guide to photography or anything by John Shaw. I was more or less a beginner when I bought mine and reading several books on photography has helped a great deal and has made the whole experience of learning digital photography that much better. Learning about things like composition, exposure, manual settings and so forth can only help (with any camera!). If you only want to point and shoot, you could likely get away with a much cheaper camera, but if you want room to grow the G1 is a great choice, as are several of the other high end digicams. Figure out which attributes you want in a camera, do some research, and read reviews on sites like this. For me, the swiveling lcd, use of compact flash memory, a flash hotshoe made the G1 my choice. I am not disappointed.

PML
 
Daniel, the G1 is not the camera for the newbie to photography. However you will find that you will learn a tremendous amount about photography with the G1, as the camera forces you to think about composition, metering etc to get the best from your pictures. I would say that G1 is a good camera for a film SLR user wanting to go digital (this was me 6 months ago).

My (UK) 10p
Paul
Hi all,
this is my first time posting, so if it is a stupid question please
forgive me. I am a newcomer to photography. I guess the only
thing that I have really done so far is shoot leisure pictures of
my gatherings with friends, vacations, and etc... with an automatic
point and shoot camera. I have been looking around for a digital
camera for some time now and I have settled with the choice of G1.
But after reading this forum (which I might add is very useful), I
am wondering whether this is the camera for me. You can say I have
very limited to no experiences with cameras. But I want a digital
camera which can take good point and shoot pictures while I can
still tweak with its manual features (when after awhile of learning
photography through testing the machine at hand and browsing
through websites, I want a camera that is capable of more then just
a point and shoot). Any suggestions for whether G1 is the right
camera for me, or should I pick something else?

Thanks alot for any info in advance.

Daniel
 
Are there any other books specific to the G1 aside from "A Short Course in Canon Powershot G1"? Would I be better off purchasing a more general digital photography book that is more encompassing (basics and beyond)?
Thanks,
TPF
Daniel,

I bought a G1 about 5 months ago and have found it to be a great
camera. If you want to make the most of its capabilities, I would
recommend purchasing a begginer's book on photography such as the
National Geographic Field Guide to photography or anything by John
Shaw. I was more or less a beginner when I bought mine and reading
several books on photography has helped a great deal and has made
the whole experience of learning digital photography that much
better. Learning about things like composition, exposure, manual
settings and so forth can only help (with any camera!). If you
only want to point and shoot, you could likely get away with a much
cheaper camera, but if you want room to grow the G1 is a great
choice, as are several of the other high end digicams. Figure out
which attributes you want in a camera, do some research, and read
reviews on sites like this. For me, the swiveling lcd, use of
compact flash memory, a flash hotshoe made the G1 my choice. I am
not disappointed.

PML
 
I am also a newbie to photography. Like you, I wanted a mostly point-and-shoot camera with the ability to make manual adjustments when my skills grow to that level. I don't think I'll ever get to the point of an SLR. I found the G1 to be an excellent choice.

However, there are cheaper choices out there. A large part of it is deciding what, specifically, you plan to do with the camera.

I use the G1 for snapshots, for notetaking (work), and for play. The features I like most are the long-life battery, and its low-light capabilities (usually no flash needed!).

The cameras aimed at the snapshot crowd pretty much require flash if used indoors. Without flash, you can take several hundred indoor pictures over several hours and not annoy the heck out of everybody.

You can use the P mode for point and shoot (you have to decide if you want to use the flash, and what type of film speed to use). These are the same decisions you make with a point and shoot camera. My results on the G1 are far superior to anything I took with a point and shoot (probably because of the better lens, the lower light capabilities, and the larger default pictures I get with the G1).

The other modes aren't that difficult to use, and you learn a lot about photography by experimenting. I have taken many shots that would have been a waste of film. Some of them actually work out.

In the end, I've come to the conclusion that there is no "best camera," and it all comes down to which camera has the features that suit your needs best.

jk
My (UK) 10p
Paul
Hi all,
this is my first time posting, so if it is a stupid question please
forgive me. I am a newcomer to photography. I guess the only
thing that I have really done so far is shoot leisure pictures of
my gatherings with friends, vacations, and etc... with an automatic
point and shoot camera. I have been looking around for a digital
camera for some time now and I have settled with the choice of G1.
But after reading this forum (which I might add is very useful), I
am wondering whether this is the camera for me. You can say I have
very limited to no experiences with cameras. But I want a digital
camera which can take good point and shoot pictures while I can
still tweak with its manual features (when after awhile of learning
photography through testing the machine at hand and browsing
through websites, I want a camera that is capable of more then just
a point and shoot). Any suggestions for whether G1 is the right
camera for me, or should I pick something else?

Thanks alot for any info in advance.

Daniel
 
It is hard for me to speculate on the G-1 as a beginner camera
as mine is most likely defective. I would not recommend it tho,
for several reasons. The absolute possible image quality for the
G-1 is very good, but it is dependant on the user to reach that
level. A beginner won't get any better images out of the G-1
than they will out of the others. Many people never will. The
G-1 has three key strengths. It uses ISO 50, producing less
noise in the images. In low light, without the flash, the
shutter times get so slow so that this can't be used handheld,
especially by a beginner. It has the swiveling LCD, and this is
a big plus, but not a big enough plus to base your purchase on it.
It has the Hotshoe. Now, as a beginner are you going to
purchase an external flash and carry it with you? The manual
and priority mode adjustments are available on a variety of
cameras. They are not a G-1 strength, and actually they are
grippled so badly on the G-1 that the others actually have the
advantage over the G-1 in this area. I consider a beginner
camera to be one that you can turn on, point and snap, and
that has the options to grow into the more advanced options
as you learn. The G-1 answers the second part, albeit with
some strange limitations, but it falls flat on it's face on the
first requirement. I recommend the Casio QV3000 to all
beginners. It has image quality very close to the G-1's
possible quality, and it will provide that quality to a ten year
old shooting it for the first time. The only learning needed
is knowing how to turn it on, and to push the shutter button
half way until the green light comes on before taking the
shot. Excellent images, right out of the box. Other than the
ISO 50 and flash hotshoe, it actually has more creative options
than the G-1, once you are ready to use them. It is being sold
on the web for 370$, about half the price of the G-1. The G-1
may be better for advanced users that have the skills to work
around it's limitations, but it is not the best newby cam. I
bought a QV3000 for my mother, if that tells you something.
However, there are cheaper choices out there. A large part of it
is deciding what, specifically, you plan to do with the camera.

I use the G1 for snapshots, for notetaking (work), and for play.
The features I like most are the long-life battery, and its
low-light capabilities (usually no flash needed!).

The cameras aimed at the snapshot crowd pretty much require flash
if used indoors. Without flash, you can take several hundred
indoor pictures over several hours and not annoy the heck out of
everybody.

You can use the P mode for point and shoot (you have to decide if
you want to use the flash, and what type of film speed to use).
These are the same decisions you make with a point and shoot
camera. My results on the G1 are far superior to anything I took
with a point and shoot (probably because of the better lens, the
lower light capabilities, and the larger default pictures I get
with the G1).

The other modes aren't that difficult to use, and you learn a lot
about photography by experimenting. I have taken many shots that
would have been a waste of film. Some of them actually work out.

In the end, I've come to the conclusion that there is no "best
camera," and it all comes down to which camera has the features
that suit your needs best.

jk
My (UK) 10p
Paul
Hi all,
this is my first time posting, so if it is a stupid question please
forgive me. I am a newcomer to photography. I guess the only
thing that I have really done so far is shoot leisure pictures of
my gatherings with friends, vacations, and etc... with an automatic
point and shoot camera. I have been looking around for a digital
camera for some time now and I have settled with the choice of G1.
But after reading this forum (which I might add is very useful), I
am wondering whether this is the camera for me. You can say I have
very limited to no experiences with cameras. But I want a digital
camera which can take good point and shoot pictures while I can
still tweak with its manual features (when after awhile of learning
photography through testing the machine at hand and browsing
through websites, I want a camera that is capable of more then just
a point and shoot). Any suggestions for whether G1 is the right
camera for me, or should I pick something else?

Thanks alot for any info in advance.

Daniel
 
Daniel,

If you only use the camera as a point and shoot then you would be better off to spend less money on something else. However if you want to grow as a photographer I highly recommend the G1. I have had mine a month and taken over 800 pictures and I love it. It will allow you to grow and I think it is user friendly. No one has mentioned how on a lot of digital cameras you have to scroll through menus to do many of the thing the G1 allows you to do with the push of a button. My dad has an Olympus 2030 I believe is the number it is a 2000 something at any rate and I hate using it. I do not like having to go through menus to use it manually. Now you will have to do some reading to get the most out of the camera--by that I mean get a hold of a basic photography book (Kodak makes a ton of them) to learn things like apeture, shutter speed and exposure. But this reading will only allow you to enjoy the camera more it is not a necessity for its use. I hope this helps.
Dennis U.
 
Excellent advice Daniel. You could call me a "beginner," having only experience with point and shoot cameras, as well as my Dad's C-3030. The choice really comes to this: if you are serious about getting into digital photography, go for the gold and buy it. I have the book and read it constantly, you DONT have to be a pro to use this camera, but if you are not experienced you will need to read up a little bit about using the manual controls. I was in a similar situation, I picked the G1 and I am very happy. If you want the simple camera, save your self a buck or two and go with the Casio 3000ex or a Kodak DC4800. They may not pump out as many features, but why pay for the extras when you don't use them.

Stevo
Daniel,
If you only use the camera as a point and shoot then you would be
better off to spend less money on something else. However if you
want to grow as a photographer I highly recommend the G1. I have
had mine a month and taken over 800 pictures and I love it. It
will allow you to grow and I think it is user friendly. No one has
mentioned how on a lot of digital cameras you have to scroll
through menus to do many of the thing the G1 allows you to do with
the push of a button. My dad has an Olympus 2030 I believe is the
number it is a 2000 something at any rate and I hate using it. I
do not like having to go through menus to use it manually. Now you
will have to do some reading to get the most out of the camera--by
that I mean get a hold of a basic photography book (Kodak makes a
ton of them) to learn things like apeture, shutter speed and
exposure. But this reading will only allow you to enjoy the camera
more it is not a necessity for its use. I hope this helps.
Dennis U.
 
It is common knowledge that the G1 produces some of the worst "point & shoot" photo's of any digital camera in that price range - do a search in the Canon forum. I have seen hundreds of examples and the quality is not good at all.

If you are looking for an excellent point & shoot that produces better shots than a lot of camera's set on manual, then I would go for the Sony S70. Each photo you take comes out great and there is no need to waste time in changing settings.

Don't waste your time with the G1 if you are a beginner. For advanced users - that's a different story.
Stevo
Daniel,
If you only use the camera as a point and shoot then you would be
better off to spend less money on something else. However if you
want to grow as a photographer I highly recommend the G1. I have
had mine a month and taken over 800 pictures and I love it. It
will allow you to grow and I think it is user friendly. No one has
mentioned how on a lot of digital cameras you have to scroll
through menus to do many of the thing the G1 allows you to do with
the push of a button. My dad has an Olympus 2030 I believe is the
number it is a 2000 something at any rate and I hate using it. I
do not like having to go through menus to use it manually. Now you
will have to do some reading to get the most out of the camera--by
that I mean get a hold of a basic photography book (Kodak makes a
ton of them) to learn things like apeture, shutter speed and
exposure. But this reading will only allow you to enjoy the camera
more it is not a necessity for its use. I hope this helps.
Dennis U.
 
Don't let anyone throw you on the Casio. It has as many
advanced settings, actually more, than the G-1. It does not
have the hotshoe, the ISO 50 capability, and it doesn't have
the focus assist lamp. It does have a p-mode that is pretty much
fool proof unless you really try to mess the shot up. It has a
continuously variable shutter that exactly meters each scene
to the exact exposure the meter says is required. It has all of
the other modes that the G-1 has except the actual stitch assist
in camera. It is not crippled by any 1/1000s at f-8 only limitation,
and the flash is not limited to full aperture or slow sync times.
It has a hidden key stroke bulb mode that will go out to 30
seconds. It's bad points are that the close macro is not good.
You need to give it a little more distance. It does not have a
hotshoe, like I said, so you are limited to slaves for situations
requiring off camera flash. It does not have lens threads, altho
the newer 3500 does. There is a lens thread adaptor available
for it tho. It is easier to hold, easier to learn, takes better point
and shoot pictures, and will do things the G-1 can't, like stop
action high speed photos in situations where f-2 is needed
because of lighting conditions. It will allow you to use fill flash,
even at high speed shutters and high f-stops if needed. At
ISO 100, the image quality between the two is very very close.
At ISO 50, the G-1 wins, if you are good enough to make the
G-1 get it right. The 3500 even includes selectable best shot
modes on the cd, and in the camera that set the camera up
for different circumstances. The G-1 is built better, and the
lithium ion battery is nice. The Casio is easier to hold, use, and
it uses rechargable AA nihms. In the end, the G-1 wins for
absolute possible image quality, hotshoe, and build quality. The
Casio blows it away for ease of use, comfort using it, and
creative control. If the Casio had a hotshoe, ISO 50, and a focus
assist lamp, there would be no comparing the two cameras
at all. I am not reading stats. I have owned and used both.
OOOps, I forgot one of the G-1 strengths. The swivel LCD.
This is a biggy if you need it to keep from having to get down
on the ground to see the LCD for a macro, or for looking over
a crowd with the G-1. I use the LCD snapped into it's recess
well over 90 percent of the time. It is also reversible for
storage and protection. If you want to learn, and don't mind
messing up some shots, the G-1 is a good camera. If you
want a point and shoot, buy the Casio. It has a lot more
creative controls than you will use for a long time. If you want
or need more after 10,000 shots, that is another discussion.
The 3500 is actually the perfect beginners camera as the best
shot modes actually teach you the correct settings for different
situations, if you take time to study their settings, and there
are a bunch of special set ups included on the disk. My wife
believes you turn a camera on, point it, and push the little
button. She is not real fond of the zoom even. She can use the
Casio successfully. She hates the G-1. My 13 year old was
using the priority modes in the Casio in about 500 shots, with
good success. Not slamming the G-1. It is a very good camera.
The Casio is just a better beginner camera at half the cost.
If you are looking for an excellent point & shoot that produces
better shots than a lot of camera's set on manual, then I would go
for the Sony S70. Each photo you take comes out great and there is
no need to waste time in changing settings.

Don't waste your time with the G1 if you are a beginner. For
advanced users - that's a different story.
Stevo
Daniel,
If you only use the camera as a point and shoot then you would be
better off to spend less money on something else. However if you
want to grow as a photographer I highly recommend the G1. I have
had mine a month and taken over 800 pictures and I love it. It
will allow you to grow and I think it is user friendly. No one has
mentioned how on a lot of digital cameras you have to scroll
through menus to do many of the thing the G1 allows you to do with
the push of a button. My dad has an Olympus 2030 I believe is the
number it is a 2000 something at any rate and I hate using it. I
do not like having to go through menus to use it manually. Now you
will have to do some reading to get the most out of the camera--by
that I mean get a hold of a basic photography book (Kodak makes a
ton of them) to learn things like apeture, shutter speed and
exposure. But this reading will only allow you to enjoy the camera
more it is not a necessity for its use. I hope this helps.
Dennis U.
 
It is hard for me to speculate on the G-1 as a beginner camera> as mine is most likely defective.
If that's the case Bob, then don't you think you should either sell your current G1 or exchange it for a NON defective one. That way you can give the Canon PoweShot G1 a "correct" review and feedback based on a NON defective G1??????????????????????????????????????

Regards...
JLC
 
JLC, yes, I quess i should wait a month, and then experiment
with the G-1 after it comes back from the factory. That
will not change the shutter speed versus f-stop problem, will
it? That will not change the pink skys either. They are present
in every gallery out there. Unless a whole contingent of
G-1 users are wrong, it will not change the focus problem.
It will not upgrade the G-1 to a camera that uses the exact
fraction of a second shutter needed to get the correct exposure
in P-mode, Will it? These are workable problems that have
some cures that a person can learn to work around. The
question was is this a good camera for newbies. In my opinion,
it is not. If this person gets a camera that takes care of them
until they grow into all of the various manual settings. If they
keep it 6 months and take 10,000 images with it, they will
save more than the cost of the camera in losses suffered by
obsolescence as compared to the G-1, and they will have options
most likely to buy a camera with the G-1's strong points, that
actually works in auto mode. That camera is not available today.
If my G-1 worked perfectly, as described by the people that like
it, I would still recommend the Casio to a new person. This is
not a Casio Canon dispute. It is a best for a newcomer discussion.
As it stands today, the Casio will work out of the box for this
person. By the time they learn photo editing, the manual controls,
and the things needed to get the best from the G-1, the 370$
Casio will have paid for itself, and they will have cd after cd of
good images and great memories of the learning experinence.
It is hard for me to speculate on the G-1 as a beginner camera
as mine is most likely defective.
If that's the case Bob, then don't you think you should either sell
your current G1 or exchange it for a NON defective one. That way
you can give the Canon PoweShot G1 a "correct" review and feedback
based on a NON defective G1??????????????????????????????????????

Regards...
JLC
 
Daniel, the G1 is not the camera for the newbie to photography.
I was pretty much a newbie when I bought my G1 and haven't regretted it.
However you will find that you will learn a tremendous amount about
photography with the G1, as the camera forces you to think about
composition, metering etc to get the best from your pictures. I
Agreed! This is probably the best indicator of whether the G1 is the right camera for you. If you are a tinkerer, you will love the G1. If you just want a simple camera that doesn't require much thought to use, a lesser camera is probably a better choice.
 
Thanks all, I appreciate all the help. I understand that the G1 may not be perfect for me now. But I believe, if I should get this camera, so that I will be able to learn alot in photography and grow with my skills. I think I'll be getting this camera in a week or too, and I am sure I will have lots of questions. So I'll sure be posting questions to all you pros out there! Thanx in advance!

Daniel
If you are looking for an excellent point & shoot that produces
better shots than a lot of camera's set on manual, then I would go
for the Sony S70. Each photo you take comes out great and there is
no need to waste time in changing settings.

Don't waste your time with the G1 if you are a beginner. For
advanced users - that's a different story.
Stevo
Daniel,
If you only use the camera as a point and shoot then you would be
better off to spend less money on something else. However if you
want to grow as a photographer I highly recommend the G1. I have
had mine a month and taken over 800 pictures and I love it. It
will allow you to grow and I think it is user friendly. No one has
mentioned how on a lot of digital cameras you have to scroll
through menus to do many of the thing the G1 allows you to do with
the push of a button. My dad has an Olympus 2030 I believe is the
number it is a 2000 something at any rate and I hate using it. I
do not like having to go through menus to use it manually. Now you
will have to do some reading to get the most out of the camera--by
that I mean get a hold of a basic photography book (Kodak makes a
ton of them) to learn things like apeture, shutter speed and
exposure. But this reading will only allow you to enjoy the camera
more it is not a necessity for its use. I hope this helps.
Dennis U.
 

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