wow, can't believe this!

[Aurorax0]

Th'at's where the difference is from.

Hi!

I saved both images and set my image viewer to alternate both on an
interval of 10 seconds, full screen.

Showed to some friends and NO ONE could see the difference, in fact
we could not notice the swap iself, only the name changing below
the image.

--
Geraldo J. C. Garcia

 

[hwaykiong]

Hi,

What I find even harder to believe is that some people actually
claim that there is a difference. If you download each image and
do a diff or checksum (as previously suggested), you will see that
they are one and the same file.

lhk

 

[Steven Noyes]

They not only look the same, they are the same.

Steven

Hi,

What I find even harder to believe is that some people actually
claim that there is a difference. If you download each image and
do a diff or checksum (as previously suggested), you will see that
they are one and the same file.

lhk

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New and Updated!!!
Winter 2005:
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Lightning:
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[Steven Noyes]

The pbase image that he pointed to and the image on his server that he pointed to are both the same file. pbase serves out the same file. they are both 96K.

What you have been looking at is the "large" image that has been compressed and downsized by pbase. It also strips the ICC profile without doing a conversion.

Steven

I saved both images onto my computer. The one from your computer
has an embedded color profile (Adobe) in it which isn't there on
the pBase one. When you put it on pbase, you probably used save
for web, which killed the embedded color profile.

The Adobe file is much more lifelike.

--
---
New and Updated!!!
Winter 2005:
http://www.pbase.com/snoyes/images_a_week_winter20

Lightning:
http://www.pbase.com/snoyes/lightning_strikes

 

[Jason Hutchinson]

Not sure why they have the md5sum, but wouldn't different sized
files generally not produce the same checksum number?

The jessica.jpg file was 96kb and the 38429759.jessica.jpg was 40kb.

The two images he linked in the above post are from different servers, have different file name, yet are both exactly 97,806 bytes.

In fact if you do a binary comparison you'll find that every single bit of every one of those 97,806 bytes is identical.

Jason

 

[Aurorax0]

I retraced my steps. I was wrong. Here's why. When I went to the pbase image, I loaded up the "large" image, not the "original" image. After loading both to my computer and opening with photoshop, the one on this forum opened with the Adobe space, and the "large" image from pbase didn't.

Steven

Hi,

What I find even harder to believe is that some people actually
claim that there is a difference. If you download each image and
do a diff or checksum (as previously suggested), you will see that
they are one and the same file.

lhk

--
---
New and Updated!!!
Winter 2005:
http://www.pbase.com/snoyes/images_a_week_winter20

Lightning:
http://www.pbase.com/snoyes/lightning_strikes

 

[Aurorax0]

What you have been looking at is the "large" image that has been
compressed and downsized by pbase. It also strips the ICC profile
without doing a conversion.

Steven

I saved both images onto my computer. The one from your computer
has an embedded color profile (Adobe) in it which isn't there on
the pBase one. When you put it on pbase, you probably used save
for web, which killed the embedded color profile.

The Adobe file is much more lifelike.

--
---
New and Updated!!!
Winter 2005:
http://www.pbase.com/snoyes/images_a_week_winter20

Lightning:
http://www.pbase.com/snoyes/lightning_strikes

 

[Aurorax0]

Was looking at the large version of the pbase file.

Not sure why they have the md5sum, but wouldn't different sized
files generally not produce the same checksum number?

The jessica.jpg file was 96kb and the 38429759.jessica.jpg was 40kb.

The two images he linked in the above post are from different
servers, have different file name, yet are both exactly 97,806
bytes.

In fact if you do a binary comparison you'll find that every single
bit of every one of those 97,806 bytes is identical.

Jason

 

[ImBuz]

chris

Thanks for posting everyone.

It might just be the time of night, but....

I see a slight blue cast on the PBase image as well as a slight
darkening of the image (especially noticable in the wispy hairs).
Loss of sharpness in the eyelashes as well.

--
http://www.pbase.com/chriscupp

 

[Kbee222425]

I opened both dp and pb at the same time on my screen and saw a difinite difference in skin tone. No I didn't download them, just had both open at the same time.

Ken

--
My pictures are not great, but they are mine!
http://www.pbase.com/kbphotos

 

[bullet1]

I downloaded all three to my PC.

1. from your web site
2. from pbase (original)
3. from pbase (large)

1. 3 is 40K and other two are 96K.

When viewed in IE6, all three looked identical as far the skin tone is concerned.

When viewed with XP's Picture and Fax viewer, I could see the skin tone difference between 1 and 3 and 2 and 3. 1 and 2 were identical.

When brought into PSCS, it showed that #1 and #2 are associated with Adobe 1998 profile and #3 was with sRGB.

It looks like IE6 is not aRGB aware but XP's Picture and Fax viewer is.

Interestingly, Irfanview is not aRGB aware either as it showed all three with the same bad skin tone.

--
Nelson

 

[chriscupp]

Wow, I'm totally getting mixed signals here.

Is it because of the color space embedded in the files or is it perhaps the black background compared to the white background?

Wonder if people are checking this out on microsoft picture and fax viewer and IE6, I see a HUGE difference.

Thanks for checking and trying to figure this out!

chris

I downloaded all three to my PC.

1. from your web site
2. from pbase (original)
3. from pbase (large)

1. 3 is 40K and other two are 96K.

When viewed in IE6, all three looked identical as far the skin tone
is concerned.

When viewed with XP's Picture and Fax viewer, I could see the skin
tone difference between 1 and 3 and 2 and 3. 1 and 2 were
identical.

When brought into PSCS, it showed that #1 and #2 are associated
with Adobe 1998 profile and #3 was with sRGB.

It looks like IE6 is not aRGB aware but XP's Picture and Fax viewer
is.

Interestingly, Irfanview is not aRGB aware either as it showed all
three with the same bad skin tone.

--
Nelson

--
http://www.pbase.com/chriscupp

 

[chriscupp]

This is the same image from MS Picture and fax viewer and IE6.

IE6 is on the right and MS is on the right.

Is there a way to fix this? Maybe I can change the color space in my canon...



--
http://www.pbase.com/chriscupp

 

[JoshW]

picture of my friend that I uploaded to my web address:



exact same picture uploaded to pbase



is it me or is the image totally changed? It seems the color has
totally shifted and I hate the image on pbase...
please correct me if I am wrong. I haven't calibrated my monitor
in a couple of months so maybe it's off??

just curious.

chris

--
http://www.pbase.com/chriscupp

--
http://www.pbase.com/chriscupp

--
http://www.pbase.com/joshua
'I can resist anything but temptation'

 

[Ron2e]

picture of my friend that I uploaded to my web address:



exact same picture uploaded to pbase

http://www.pbase.com/chriscupp/image/38429759/original

is it me or is the image totally changed? It seems the color has
totally shifted and I hate the image on pbase...
please correct me if I am wrong. I haven't calibrated my monitor
in a couple of months so maybe it's off??

just curious.

chris

--
http://www.pbase.com/chriscupp

--
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you

 

[Ron2e]

picture of my friend that I uploaded to my web address:



exact same picture uploaded to pbase

http://www.pbase.com/chriscupp/image/38429759/original

is it me or is the image totally changed? It seems the color has
totally shifted and I hate the image on pbase...
please correct me if I am wrong. I haven't calibrated my monitor
in a couple of months so maybe it's off??

just curious.

chris

--
http://www.pbase.com/chriscupp

--
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you

--
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you

 

[chriscupp]

picture of my friend that I uploaded to my web address:



exact same picture uploaded to pbase



is it me or is the image totally changed? It seems the color has
totally shifted and I hate the image on pbase...
please correct me if I am wrong. I haven't calibrated my monitor
in a couple of months so maybe it's off??

just curious.

chris

--
http://www.pbase.com/chriscupp

--
http://www.pbase.com/chriscupp

--
http://www.pbase.com/joshua
'I can resist anything but temptation'

--
http://www.pbase.com/chriscupp

 

[chriscupp]

This is the same image from MS Picture and fax viewer and IE6.

IE6 is on the right and MS is on the right.

Is there a way to fix this? Maybe I can change the color space in
my canon...



--
http://www.pbase.com/chriscupp

--
http://www.pbase.com/chriscupp

 

[Wire Moore]

I looked at the two original references with Mac Safari and Mozilla Firefox for Mac. Each browser rendered the two images consistently, but these two browsers differed in their renderings. Safari looking more the image on the rightside in the split comparison of the previous post, and Firefox looking more like the left side (paler).

Safari may render with monitor compensation and Firefox not. The APIs in Mac OS are moving towards all graphics receiving color mangement treatment as a function of the OS, but I'm not savvy on the policies.

The most consistent results you can effect will be to ensure that any images you share are converted to sRGB. And don't embed the sRGB profile, both because it takes up space (which matters for users of modem connections) and because it's not clear it helps anything, it just adds another variable to the rendering situation. Even including the profile, there's still uncertainty about presentation: does the client observer the profile or not? And if it does, can this be considered standard or non-standard behavior... arg!

This is the same image from MS Picture and fax viewer and IE6.

IE6 is on the right and MS is on the right.

Is there a way to fix this? Maybe I can change the color space in
my canon...



--
http://www.pbase.com/chriscupp

 

[Tony SD]

Certainly not a HUGE one!

picture of my friend that I uploaded to my web address:



exact same picture uploaded to pbase

http://www.pbase.com/chriscupp/image/38429759/original

is it me or is the image totally changed? It seems the color has
totally shifted and I hate the image on pbase...
please correct me if I am wrong. I haven't calibrated my monitor
in a couple of months so maybe it's off??

just curious.

chris

--
http://www.pbase.com/chriscupp

--
TonySD