Troubling Noise on the d2h

[Chris101]

Alleged in-camera noise reduction aside, Nikon exposes to preserve highlights, and so puts more of the image in low end bits that contain less signal (and thus more noise.) Canon exposes more 'to the right' where the data bits have higher values. Fortunately exposure is completely under your control via user curves and compensation.

2. In the digital world there are 2 types of noise redction: "in
camera" (Canon) controlled by the camera and external (Nikon)
controlled by the photographer.

I also have 25 years in the IT industry and I have learned that I
prefer to be in control of what software does, and in camera NR is
nothing more than software. Canons, while the output shows less
"noise", to my eye also has a bit of a soft, "plastic" look as if
it were run through Neat Image with the settings a bit too high.

Unfortunately, that is a gross oversimplification of how some
cameras achieve images with low noise. Canon does not accomplish
these lower noise levels by noise reduction alone. Take the 20D,
for example.

Maybe my response is a bit of an over simplification but try
reading the original post. It is from a newbie so I tried to make
my response as simple as possible so that someone who is new to
digital can understand and do something the too many people refuse
to do, learn. Sorry but anything electronic has 2 parts software
and hardware. Digital control circuits are based on software.
Frimware is software. AA filters are software. I stand by my
statement. Canon uses more software to control noise than Nikon. As
you stated more control circuits, stronger aa filter, etc, I was
not being naive, I was trying to explain in a way that someone who
is not familiar with digital would understand. If you give someone
new too much technical information they will get frustrated and
give up. That is not what this forum is about. It is about teaching
the new people how to use their equipment.

As far as your so called "blind comparisons" go, in the last 3
years I have shot approx. 500,000 digital frames. Of those I have
shot almost half of them with a Canon 1D so I would venture to say
that I know both systems better than almost anyone else on this
forum. I can look at my shots and tell you exactly which ones were
shot with a 1D, and which ones were shot with a D1x or a D2h. Sorry
but there IS a different look to the Canon images vs the Nikon
images. And my experience is that the majority of that difference
is from the in camera noise reduction. I am not trying to start a
Canon vs. Nikon war. I am just stating fact based on my own
personal experience with both systems. I am not even trying to say
that one is better than the other. If you prefer the Canon method
then great but don't tell me that I don't know what I am talking
about just because I prefer the other.

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[Elizabeth McCollister]

Hmac,

Thanks for the tips. I really appreciate the dissemination of knowlege as it equates to karma. I just e-mailed a friend some color correction techniques I learned from some magazines.

I will administer my d2h with Ming's curves(sounds like a porno) What are the benefits of his curves?

I am not the best, I am not the worst, but I make a good living in these economique times. What bothers me is the discomfort of some posters and the lengths some fantasies will take the too. Good for them.

I have learned quite a bit from my short time in dp. Good and Bad.

But overall, thanks.

I love dp.

 

[Jim T H]

Dear Readers,

With all due respect, here is what I have to say. I'm 57, a Nikon
for 32 years. The interview with the Canon guy posted on these
forums compared to the interview with the Nikon guy were like round
1 of the presidential debates. The core question being, "Will I be
better in 4 years than I am now?"

Elizabeth has found her own solution. She's just speaking her mind. She is not making grand drama like the trolls. Please don't aggravate the situation.

Elizabeth,

I don't doubt your competence. Still, it would be nice to post an example. At the very least, it allows your detractors to have a shot at problem solving. Who knows? Someone might have a good idea or two.

Good luck

--
Jim

 

[Elizabeth McCollister]

Thanks Jim, I just posted a problem and a solution. God, I learned my lesson on these harsh forums. No good.

 

[boutchou]

Thanks Jim, I just posted a problem and a solution. God, I learned
my lesson on these harsh forums. No good.

--Having read through all the discussion and being the owner of a D100 and a D2H every line was of interest to me.First thanks to the friend who gave us the link to the article of Bruce Fraser a very realistic one indeed.It just let us understand that our histogram cannot be taken 100 % as correct...

I have just to say that the D2H is really pro and its 4 Megapixel does not tolerate any miss exposure ..By yhe way this 4 Megapixel doesnot affect any prints up top the A3 super size.

We have it we must learn how to get the most out of it.I have heard of The Noise Ninja plug-in well I must try itand compare it to Neat image
ch

 

[Bill Dewey]

I am 54 years old, only a Nikon user fo 8 years or so, but many years of Yashica, Olympus and Bronica before that, back is those "old time" film days. I purchase a Fuji S1 when they were new, then to a D1H when Nikon made the D1 color better, and now the D2H.

Here is my problem with your post and this thread. You state in the subject "troublesome noise" but don't show us what you mean by "troublesome". You state, as shown below, "exagerrated noise", but don't show us what you mean by "exagerrated". Then you go on to denigrate other forum members, quoting another post in this thread "You seem insecure. I'm past the age of insecurity. That is one of the gifts of time.". And now you want us to accept what you post while knocking Joe Marquez.

I'm old, not insecure, and pretty darned patient. But I can tell you that I don't have "troublesome" noise in my D2H, nor do I see it "exagerrated" over and above my D1H. On top of that, when I do have an issue I want people to see what the images look like so that they can give me a clue as to whether or not I am screwing up, my eyes have gone bad, I am just plain stupid or I actually have a problem. For the life of me I don't understand why you won't do the same. Not only do I think that folks would be able to help you more, but they would be more willing. On top of which, it just might help to teach us something as well.

Many folks, myself included, have made suggestions as to how to better deal with things on this forum. You are most certainly free to ignore my comments, as well as anyone else's. My suggestions are to temper your subject lines, post examples of what you are talking about and not denigrating other forum members when they are simply making suggestions. If Joe is incorrect, you have the ability to prove that.

Dear Readers,

With all due respect, here is what I have to say. I'm 57, a Nikon
for 32 years. The interview with the Canon guy posted on these

SNIP

I bought the d2h recently and immediately noticed the exagerrted
noise compared to others in the Nikon lineup, thus leading to this
line of questioning. I downloaded the Noise Ninja beta tonight and
was totallly surprised by the results. I just shot something
tonight with off-camera flashes. Luckily I was not on deadline.
But it begs the question: will I be better off with Nikon 4 years
from now.

SNIP

Unfortunately.

--
Bill Dewey
http://www.deweydrive.com

 

[hmac]

Hmac,

Thanks for the tips. I really appreciate the dissemination of
knowlege as it equates to karma. I just e-mailed a friend some
color correction techniques I learned from some magazines.

I will administer my d2h with Ming's curves(sounds like a porno)
What are the benefits of his curves?

I am not the best, I am not the worst, but I make a good living in
these economique times. What bothers me is the discomfort of some
posters and the lengths some fantasies will take the too. Good for
them.

I have learned quite a bit from my short time in dp. Good and Bad.

But overall, thanks.

I love dp.

As forums go, this is a good one. many, many people who sincerely want to share and help. but, the internet being the faceless communication medium that is, there are a few people with less noble agendas. Joe Marques is a good guy, but he is suspicious that you are another false persona of one of the more blatant trolls that cruise this forum for the sole purpose of bashing Nikon in favor of Canon and making up for whatever inadequacies drives them to that behavior. OTOH, there are many users here who are stung by Canon's temporary ascendancy in the dSLR arena, and are very sensitive to criticism of their Nikon camera, the 4mp D2H being the most prominent example of that.

Ming's curves are just a different set of tonality curves that attempt to manage contrast rendering and minimize noise in shadows.

I personally don't find noise to be a big problem on the D2H, at least not any worse than grain problems when shooting film at high ISO, but my applications are strictly amateur and I'm sure I'm not pushing the envelope as hard as most professionals.

I'm contemplating the D2X as well, but I'm a techno-geek and can afford the upgrade to indulge my hobby.

--
H McCollister

 

[Joe Marques]

Elizabeth,

When your post is SO similar to dozens upon dozens that preceded you, what should I expect? Your post has no real question. Debating the 4 year future performance of any company is beyond futile. The CEO of the BEST companies in the world can only make well researched guesses. The CEO of a mediocre company can't tell you about the next 4 Q's. Trust me - I know from experience.

So let's assume you want to discuss D2H noise - a CLEAR issue (ooooh, I'm not a blind loyalist). What is your goal? To restate for the 52,432 time that D2H is noisy? Search D2H noise and after a week of reading I think you'll see my point.

You're adding to forum noise by bringing up the dead horse that deserves to be put to bed. There's no NEW insights to D2H noise. It's noisier than others. It's really noisy in low light. It's noisiest in low light with underexposure. This is axiomatic for Nikon users.

If you have a specific scenario - post a sample. You'll get tons of help and advice. However, posting yet another D2H is noisy thread has no real point is irritating to me and I'm sure others.

I hope you see my point of view and realize I'm not a Nikon defender - I'm just tired of the wasted space on nonsense.

Joe

You are a real wonder.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=10508044

I'm going with my first hunch - I don't buy your story one bit. I
think you're another re-invention of an old "friend". This type of
thread is just too similar to others.

1) Nikon loyalist distressed over Nikon's gloomy future
2) Discussion over the basic flaws of the D2H
3) NO pictures to be found showing how this flaw is plaguing your life

Joe

Dear Readers,

With all due respect, here is what I have to say. I'm 57, a Nikon
for 32 years. The interview with the Canon guy posted on these
forums compared to the interview with the Nikon guy were like round
1 of the presidential debates. The core question being, "Will I be
better in 4 years than I am now?"

I bought the d2h recently and immediately noticed the exagerrted
noise compared to others in the Nikon lineup, thus leading to this
line of questioning. I downloaded the Noise Ninja beta tonight and
was totallly surprised by the results. I just shot something
tonight with off-camera flashes. Luckily I was not on deadline.
But it begs the question: will I be better off with Nikon 4 years
from now.

The contrast off-camera flash creates between highlights and
background affect the noise of the d2h. Using NN was incredible.
Zapped the grain and allowed me to sharpen. Used ISO 800
throughout. Shoudln't be a problem, never was with the d70. Wish
the d2h would have inbuillt NR.

Unfortunately.

 

[Paul Johnson236837]

Here is a thorough test of it that has been out for a long long time:

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond2h/page19.asp

It's better than some, worse than others. It is what it is.

And there is no noise "problem" because it's always had the same amount of it.

Paul

 

[Captain Crunch]

Crunch wrote:

Does antone know how Ming's curves work? If I wanted to do the same thing in PS post processing, what would I do to the curve in Curves to minimize any noise effect?

Thanks Hmac,

I downloaded Yoshi's curve and I can't wait to check them out. And
yes, we are related: wer'e members of the loving Nikon family.

Ah. I knew we were related somehow....

One other thing you might try is Auto-ISO in manual exposure mode.
I've not used it enough to have a solid opinion, but reportedly
there are some noise advantages in situations of low and variable
lighting.

Also, Ming Thein has some custom curves that you may like more than
Yoshi's. Look at http://www.ming-group.com/
--
Howard McCollister

 

[Elizabeth McCollister]

Joe,

You appeared to be a self-indulgent fool from the day I joined. You and your flat-out wild theories should go where the sun don't shine. Sorry. We don't mince words where I come from.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=10508044

I'm going with my first hunch - I don't buy your story one bit. I
think you're another re-invention of an old "friend". This type of
thread is just too similar to others.

1) Nikon loyalist distressed over Nikon's gloomy future
2) Discussion over the basic flaws of the D2H
3) NO pictures to be found showing how this flaw is plaguing your life

Joe

Dear Readers,

With all due respect, here is what I have to say. I'm 57, a Nikon
for 32 years. The interview with the Canon guy posted on these
forums compared to the interview with the Nikon guy were like round
1 of the presidential debates. The core question being, "Will I be
better in 4 years than I am now?"

I bought the d2h recently and immediately noticed the exagerrted
noise compared to others in the Nikon lineup, thus leading to this
line of questioning. I downloaded the Noise Ninja beta tonight and
was totallly surprised by the results. I just shot something
tonight with off-camera flashes. Luckily I was not on deadline.
But it begs the question: will I be better off with Nikon 4 years
from now.

The contrast off-camera flash creates between highlights and
background affect the noise of the d2h. Using NN was incredible.
Zapped the grain and allowed me to sharpen. Used ISO 800
throughout. Shoudln't be a problem, never was with the d70. Wish
the d2h would have inbuillt NR.

Unfortunately.

 

[Yves P.]

The Noise is easy to control with a proper exposure in the D2H. It is very unforgiving if the exposure is Off or quite Off.

On the other hand, I have seen very impressive shots (from DPR members) done at very high ISO 1250 1600 and even 3200 that looked excellent without the use of a NR.

Here are a few example:

Here is a 100% crop no NR of a shot at ISO 1100



Here, a ISO 1600 non NR cropped at about 60%



An ISO 3200 cleaned with Neat Image (auto profile) with no color correction (I know it needs some).



My Take on it:

1- Noise is more visible in really bad light or in the shadow areas
2- Depending on the subject, shooting with Auto ISO helps quite a bit
(several threads to read on the subject by doing a quick search)
3- Use Less contrast as it helps not only the noise factor but also the DR
4- Do not underexpose on purpose when having heavy shadows in the
frame
5- Take time to learn the machine
6- More important, post some samples please so we can help you better.

Dear Readers,

With all due respect, here is what I have to say. I'm 57, a Nikon
for 32 years. The interview with the Canon guy posted on these
forums compared to the interview with the Nikon guy were like round
1 of the presidential debates. The core question being, "Will I be
better in 4 years than I am now?"

I bought the d2h recently and immediately noticed the exagerrted
noise compared to others in the Nikon lineup, thus leading to this
line of questioning. I downloaded the Noise Ninja beta tonight and
was totallly surprised by the results. I just shot something
tonight with off-camera flashes. Luckily I was not on deadline.
But it begs the question: will I be better off with Nikon 4 years
from now.

The contrast off-camera flash creates between highlights and
background affect the noise of the d2h. Using NN was incredible.
Zapped the grain and allowed me to sharpen. Used ISO 800
throughout. Shoudln't be a problem, never was with the d70. Wish
the d2h would have inbuillt NR.

Unfortunately.

--
Yves P.
Share the Knowledge

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Some pictures I like:
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[Elizabeth McCollister]

The real, most troubling noise, is from the kind of speculative posts about "re-invention" about "an old friend". Your dead-end hunches("Ah, so you waited a week to "sound" like a real Nikon use."). About not "buying" my story one bit.

You insult the foundation of my character.

Your so-called reputation on this forum is ill-deserved in my book.

I hope you find true happiness. I really do.

Now back to Nikon.

When your post is SO similar to dozens upon dozens that preceded
you, what should I expect? Your post has no real question.
Debating the 4 year future performance of any company is beyond
futile. The CEO of the BEST companies in the world can only make
well researched guesses. The CEO of a mediocre company can't tell
you about the next 4 Q's. Trust me - I know from experience.

So let's assume you want to discuss D2H noise - a CLEAR issue
(ooooh, I'm not a blind loyalist). What is your goal? To restate
for the 52,432 time that D2H is noisy? Search D2H noise and after
a week of reading I think you'll see my point.

You're adding to forum noise by bringing up the dead horse that
deserves to be put to bed. There's no NEW insights to D2H noise.
It's noisier than others. It's really noisy in low light. It's
noisiest in low light with underexposure. This is axiomatic for
Nikon users.

If you have a specific scenario - post a sample. You'll get tons
of help and advice. However, posting yet another D2H is noisy
thread has no real point is irritating to me and I'm sure others.

I hope you see my point of view and realize I'm not a Nikon
defender - I'm just tired of the wasted space on nonsense.

Joe

You are a real wonder.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=10508044

I'm going with my first hunch - I don't buy your story one bit. I
think you're another re-invention of an old "friend". This type of
thread is just too similar to others.

1) Nikon loyalist distressed over Nikon's gloomy future
2) Discussion over the basic flaws of the D2H
3) NO pictures to be found showing how this flaw is plaguing your life

Joe

Dear Readers,

With all due respect, here is what I have to say. I'm 57, a Nikon
for 32 years. The interview with the Canon guy posted on these
forums compared to the interview with the Nikon guy were like round
1 of the presidential debates. The core question being, "Will I be
better in 4 years than I am now?"

I bought the d2h recently and immediately noticed the exagerrted
noise compared to others in the Nikon lineup, thus leading to this
line of questioning. I downloaded the Noise Ninja beta tonight and
was totallly surprised by the results. I just shot something
tonight with off-camera flashes. Luckily I was not on deadline.
But it begs the question: will I be better off with Nikon 4 years
from now.

The contrast off-camera flash creates between highlights and
background affect the noise of the d2h. Using NN was incredible.
Zapped the grain and allowed me to sharpen. Used ISO 800
throughout. Shoudln't be a problem, never was with the d70. Wish
the d2h would have inbuillt NR.

Unfortunately.

 

[Joe Marques]

So you decided not to read my latest post and re-hash my original post that I EXPLAIN in this one? How rich.

A) Scary that questioning your motives "insults the foundation of your character". Do you teach drama or just practice being overly dramatic?

B) My "reputation" (if I even have one) is not relevant here so why bring it up?

C) What's with the "I hope you find true happiness" BS? Because I take issue with the trash bin this forum has become I'm somehow ridden with angst? Please.

Care to actually RESPOND to my post? I won't hold my breath. I'm sure I'll see a sample image from you before an on-point reply.

PS - How's your website http://www.equalsmc.com coming along (you mention in your profile it's coming in 12/04)? Just wondering how you're preparing to launch a homepage without registering the domain. Of course this is just more paranoia and conspiracy theory, right?

How about those noisy samples?

Joe

You insult the foundation of my character.

Your so-called reputation on this forum is ill-deserved in my book.

I hope you find true happiness. I really do.

Now back to Nikon.

Elizabeth,

When your post is SO similar to dozens upon dozens that preceded
you, what should I expect? Your post has no real question.
Debating the 4 year future performance of any company is beyond
futile. The CEO of the BEST companies in the world can only make
well researched guesses. The CEO of a mediocre company can't tell
you about the next 4 Q's. Trust me - I know from experience.

So let's assume you want to discuss D2H noise - a CLEAR issue
(ooooh, I'm not a blind loyalist). What is your goal? To restate
for the 52,432 time that D2H is noisy? Search D2H noise and after
a week of reading I think you'll see my point.

You're adding to forum noise by bringing up the dead horse that
deserves to be put to bed. There's no NEW insights to D2H noise.
It's noisier than others. It's really noisy in low light. It's
noisiest in low light with underexposure. This is axiomatic for
Nikon users.

If you have a specific scenario - post a sample. You'll get tons
of help and advice. However, posting yet another D2H is noisy
thread has no real point is irritating to me and I'm sure others.

I hope you see my point of view and realize I'm not a Nikon
defender - I'm just tired of the wasted space on nonsense.

Joe

 

[Joe Marques]

Elizabeth,

How many times will you reply to this post while ignoring the questions in my follow up post where I explain the reason I was a bit suspicious?

BTW, I'm convinced you were the second shooter on the grassy knoll. Lee Harvey Oswald didn't act alone. Of course, you were shooting Nikon at the time and missed the shot due to harsh noise.

PS - Thank you for noticing I'm self-indulgent (although I'm no fool since fools are NOT self-indulgent - they're missing out). At least your post announcing your age, experience and expert opinion on Nikon, noise and the future of dSLR was not self-indulgent. You would never stoop so low.

Joe

Elizabeth McCollister wrote:
Joe,

You appeared to be a self-indulgent fool from the day I joined.
You and your flat-out wild theories should go where the sun don't
shine. Sorry. We don't mince words where I come from.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=10508044

I'm going with my first hunch - I don't buy your story one bit. I
think you're another re-invention of an old "friend". This type of
thread is just too similar to others.

1) Nikon loyalist distressed over Nikon's gloomy future
2) Discussion over the basic flaws of the D2H
3) NO pictures to be found showing how this flaw is plaguing your life

Joe

Dear Readers,

With all due respect, here is what I have to say. I'm 57, a Nikon
for 32 years. The interview with the Canon guy posted on these
forums compared to the interview with the Nikon guy were like round
1 of the presidential debates. The core question being, "Will I be
better in 4 years than I am now?"

I bought the d2h recently and immediately noticed the exagerrted
noise compared to others in the Nikon lineup, thus leading to this
line of questioning. I downloaded the Noise Ninja beta tonight and
was totallly surprised by the results. I just shot something
tonight with off-camera flashes. Luckily I was not on deadline.
But it begs the question: will I be better off with Nikon 4 years
from now.

The contrast off-camera flash creates between highlights and
background affect the noise of the d2h. Using NN was incredible.
Zapped the grain and allowed me to sharpen. Used ISO 800
throughout. Shoudln't be a problem, never was with the d70. Wish
the d2h would have inbuillt NR.

Unfortunately.

 

[Bill Dewey]

1. Elizabeth has "troublesome" noise issues with the D2H

2. Elizabeth believe that the noise issues are "exagerrated" versus other cameras in the Nikon line-up.

3. Elizabeth will not post any images so that we can evaluate them and try to assist.

4. Elizabeth thinks Joe is a self-indulgent fool, enough to directly trash him in a separate thread.
5. Elizabeth likes Noise Ninja, it does a fine job, by the way so do I.
6. Elizabeth doesn't like D2H apologists
7. Elizabeth speaks "straight-forwardly", doesn't mince words

8. Elizabeth also doesn't respond to what Joe, and others such as myself, put in posts.

9. Elizabeth would like in-built NR in the D2H. So would I, as long as I could control it as well as Noise Ninja, which would be darned hard with the processor and memory in-camera.
10. Elizabeth has started a bunch of threads on this subject

11. Elizabeth thinks a bunch of us have "conspiracy theories". I can only speak for and say that I don't have conspiracy theories, but I do question the motives of people who complain but won't provide examples or solutions. As I stated in another, ignored, reply in this post, those examples and samples also help me to learn.

12. Elizabeth has no problem directly impugning the character of some posters, and generalizing that of others, perhaps myself included. But when someone questions Elizabeths motives, Elizabeth does not reply with samples, explanations of what is going on, but just more impugning of the posters character. Sounds a bit unfair to me.

So, to sum up this list, Elizabeth, trying to be forthright and straight forward myself, I actually have absolutely no clue as to whether or not you do have an actual problem with noise in the D2H. Some folks, as has been noted, have seen real issues in some situations. Others, and you have seen images posted here, do quite well at High-ISO. What I don't understand, and I have stated this and asked this before, is why you are so unwilling to show us what your issue is, and explain more of the circumstances. To somewhat defend Joe, not that he needs me to do this, this unwillingness to participate is one thing that does make people wonder regarding the motives of a poster.

Now, you can certainly totally ignore this post as you have others of mine, and it is no skin off my nose if you do. Ego isn't hurt, no problem at all, but I will continue to question, as will many others.

You want respect, you should show some in return.

Dear Readers,

With all due respect, here is what I have to say. I'm 57, a Nikon
for 32 years. The interview with the Canon guy posted on these

SNIP
--
Bill Dewey
http://www.deweydrive.com

 

[Captain Crunch]

Crunch wrote:

I've recently had some noise issues with my D2H. I think that they are mostly my problem not the camera's. I intend to try some of the suggestions mentioned in this thread. I don't want to use a custom curve in the camera. Can anyone tell me what I can do to the curve in Curves within PS to help minimize any noise effect?

So, to sum up this list, Elizabeth, trying to be forthright and
straight forward myself, I actually have absolutely no clue as to
whether or not you do have an actual problem with noise in the D2H.
Some folks, as has been noted, have seen real issues in some
situations. Others, and you have seen images posted here, do quite
well at High-ISO. What I don't understand, and I have stated this
and asked this before, is why you are so unwilling to show us what
your issue is, and explain more of the circumstances. To somewhat
defend Joe, not that he needs me to do this, this unwillingness to
participate is one thing that does make people wonder regarding the
motives of a poster.

Now, you can certainly totally ignore this post as you have others
of mine, and it is no skin off my nose if you do. Ego isn't hurt,
no problem at all, but I will continue to question, as will many
others.

You want respect, you should show some in return.

Dear Readers,

With all due respect, here is what I have to say. I'm 57, a Nikon
for 32 years. The interview with the Canon guy posted on these

SNIP
--
Bill Dewey
http://www.deweydrive.com

 

[hmac]

Crunch wrote:

I've recently had some noise issues with my D2H. I think that they
are mostly my problem not the camera's. I intend to try some of
the suggestions mentioned in this thread. I don't want to use a
custom curve in the camera. Can anyone tell me what I can do to
the curve in Curves within PS to help minimize any noise effect?

The curves could be replicated in Nikon Capture, as well as "Curves" in Photoshop. IIRC Yoshi's curve is a kind of gentle S curve and Ming's is a little +parabolic. I'd recommend searching on "ming curves" and "Yoshi curves" here in DRP to get the most accurate take of how/why these work. My take on them isn't going to be as accurate as the original discussions that took place here a few months ago.

--
H McCollister

 

[Elizabeth McCollister]

1. Elizabeth has "troublesome" noise issues with the D2H

Yes, but Noise Ninja cures the problems.

2. Elizabeth believe that the noise issues are "exagerrated" versus
other cameras in the Nikon line-up.

Belief is based on experience, not the type of conviction that led to some lives in a recent war. Talk about exaggerated.

3. Elizabeth will not post any images so

that we can evaluate them

and try to assist.

Oh, Joe M. talks about beating a dead horse. I will post images that are not copyrighted as soon as I can.

4. Elizabeth thinks Joe is a self-indulgent fool, enough to
directly trash him in a separate thread.

I agree, he is creepee. Old, probablyh.

5. Elizabeth likes Noise Ninja, it does a fine job, by the way so
do I.

I love it. It's the best addition to the d2h.

6. Elizabeth doesn't like D2H apologists

Come on, freedom is truth. Wherever that lies. Anybody should be free to search.

ok....i'm tired..... r

 

[Bill Dewey]

As stated in the "other" thread, nice to finally meet you. I am looking forward to seeing where you think the issues lie. One other comment, this is a very subjective passtime, what is good/acceptable/great/perfect in many cases is in the "eye of the beholder". What one person finds intolerable, others may find adequate while others think it is "great". This is why, for me, seeing an image helps. It also helps me to see things that I may not be noticing.

As to the "dead horse" comment, I am nothing if not Persistent and Consisten . In this case, however, I think it will go a long way to providing both knowledge and credibility.

Thanks for the reply, looking forward to learning.
SNIPPING all of Dewey's drivel
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Bill Dewey
http://www.deweydrive.com