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" nothing coming in the future after J5, although there are some discussions"



A lot at the booth for Nikon 1 too:



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somehow I just sense it's all over for 1 inch CX MILC :(
 
" nothing coming in the future after J5, although there are some discussions"

A lot at the booth for Nikon 1 too:

ddc8a8e3292149f6905a1640ced5e15b.jpg

somehow I just sense it's all over for 1 inch CX MILC :(
Are you still on the floor? I was there a bit earlier and will pop back in tomorrow. Pretty dismal. Last few years the 1 at least had signage.

I agree. After talking with them. It's over.

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" nothing coming in the future after J5, although there are some discussions"

A lot at the booth for Nikon 1 too:

ddc8a8e3292149f6905a1640ced5e15b.jpg

somehow I just sense it's all over for 1 inch CX MILC :(
Are you still on the floor? I was there a bit earlier and will pop back in tomorrow. Pretty dismal. Last few years the 1 at least had signage.

I agree. After talking with them. It's over.

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https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7g_VE12BBxz__RpqetbBuQ
Yes I'm still on the floor looking at drones. I'm thinking if I hurry I can sell all of my lenses and cameras and get into the future now. this is depressing, but at least I know now what my Nikon representative meant by a new CX flagship camera line. Sadly I didn't suspect it would not include an inter-changeable lens camera.
 
" nothing coming in the future after J5, although there are some discussions"

A lot at the booth for Nikon 1 too:

ddc8a8e3292149f6905a1640ced5e15b.jpg

somehow I just sense it's all over for 1 inch CX MILC :(
What does that mean, I can see no real point in a J6 now, but the DLs are not a suitable alternative to a V4, so comments about the J5, may or may not tell us anything about the V series.

Cheers,

Graham
 
" nothing coming in the future after J5, although there are some discussions"

A lot at the booth for Nikon 1 too:

ddc8a8e3292149f6905a1640ced5e15b.jpg

somehow I just sense it's all over for 1 inch CX MILC :(
Are you still on the floor? I was there a bit earlier and will pop back in tomorrow. Pretty dismal. Last few years the 1 at least had signage.

I agree. After talking with them. It's over.

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https://www.flickr.com/photos/76058747@N07/
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7g_VE12BBxz__RpqetbBuQ
Yes I'm still on the floor looking at drones. I'm thinking if I hurry I can sell all of my lenses and cameras and get into the future now. this is depressing, but at least I know now what my Nikon representative meant by a new CX flagship camera line. Sadly I didn't suspect it would not include an inter-changeable lens camera.
I went throug the same thing when the V3 was announced after talking to people at the booth. Sold most of my gear r the following day. Literally. Got back in minus the expensive stuff a year later. Just checked Amazon and premium kit with grip, Lens,and EVF new is now 64,000 yen. That's a big hit.

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" nothing coming in the future after J5, although there are some discussions"

A lot at the booth for Nikon 1 too:

ddc8a8e3292149f6905a1640ced5e15b.jpg

somehow I just sense it's all over for 1 inch CX MILC :(
What does that mean, I can see no real point in a J6 now, but the DLs are not a suitable alternative to a V4, so comments about the J5, may or may not tell us anything about the V series.

Cheers,

Graham
Dropped or not, that's one sad looking display! Doesn't look like Nikon's interested in encouraging current or potential N1 users.

Liz

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It appears the fog is slowly clearing and the N1 saga is coming to an end. The cameras I have will be functional for a while and addition of a DL is a possibility.
 
" nothing coming in the future after J5, although there are some discussions"

A lot at the booth for Nikon 1 too:

ddc8a8e3292149f6905a1640ced5e15b.jpg

somehow I just sense it's all over for 1 inch CX MILC :(
What does that mean, I can see no real point in a J6 now, but the DLs are not a suitable alternative to a V4, so comments about the J5, may or may not tell us anything about the V series.

Cheers,

Graham
Hi Grahm - in Japanese there is this vocal "teeth sucking" sound a native speaker will use to politely indicate "it ain't gonna happen" which is what I heard when I asked about a V3 replacement. Also there wasn't a single Nikon 1 lens, sign, or brochure on the table or at their huge booth, which is another indicator I believe. Even the girl at the counter where the V3/J5 kit was only talking about memory cards. On the other hand the DL had a lot of interest:





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I'm an optimist for sure but this time don't think I have something good to hope.

They have not found a way for the 1 without an internal competitor so, with the DL, the 1 as we know it, have no future.

They start with V1: EVF, no controls dial, no possibility to stop the image review after the shoot (incredible), no standard hot shoe, ....

Follow the V2: EVF, some controls dial, no standard hot shoe, stopped the review (with a new camera, incredible ^ 2) ...

Then the V3: no EVF, micro SD, no standard hot shoe, ...

Now the DL with fixed manual stepped (!!!) zoom lens, standard hot shoe, ...

After this road map (and a lot of battery charger) I dare anyone to predict the future and at the end I'm a little bit confused and annoyed. I think it is time to take a look around.

It seems I've backed the wrong horse (for what I've always thought it would have been).

Bye
 
They never really developed a system, just a couple of so-so bodies and a few interesting lenses. If one wants to develop a system from scracth, check how m43 developed. Roadmap, a complete line of bodies, accessories, etc. Nikon always favored F-mount and, there, FF. Even when they didn't have an FF body, the better lenses were FF-able.

All written in the stars.

If and when they introduce a new ML system, they better be careful, no one will jump in unless it shows clear chances of full development. This one has been vaccinated, Nikon's credibility for a new mount/system has been tarnished badly.
 
They never really developed a system, just a couple of so-so bodies and a few interesting lenses. If one wants to develop a system from scracth, check how m43 developed.
Fuji developed theirs even quicker having been introduced 1 year later than Nikon 1.
Roadmap, a complete line of bodies, accessories, etc. Nikon always favored F-mount and, there, FF. Even when they didn't have an FF body, the better lenses were FF-able.

All written in the stars.

If and when they introduce a new ML system, they better be careful, no one will jump in unless it shows clear chances of full development. This one has been vaccinated, Nikon's credibility for a new mount/system has been tarnished badly.
Even without discontinuing Nikon 1 this is true.
 
N1 is really turning out to be a fiasco, but for Nikon's perspective it would have been a worthy experiment if DL turns out to be a hit. I got in the N1 game late and didn't invest that heavy but I'm sure more well invested users would be feeling terrible how it's ending. I agree Nikon should have treated N1 users better, but I'm sure they're in a tough situation too, camera business changing so much and just losing so much to the phone cameras. I think without N1 user base there would be no DL so it's not all loss if DL turns out to be genuinely good cameras.
The unfortunate perception is that Nikon 1 customers were guinea pigs for Nikon DL.
 
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N1 is really turning out to be a fiasco, but for Nikon's perspective it would have been a worthy experiment if DL turns out to be a hit. I got in the N1 game late and didn't invest that heavy but I'm sure more well invested users would be feeling terrible how it's ending. I agree Nikon should have treated N1 users better, but I'm sure they're in a tough situation too, camera business changing so much and just losing so much to the phone cameras. I think without N1 user base there would be no DL so it's not all loss if DL turns out to be genuinely good cameras.
The unfortunate perception is that Nikon 1 customers were guinea pigs for Nikon DL.
It's true and everyone knows that. But, N1 users enjoyed class leading AF for 5! years while many of the others were pulling their hair out. So there's that.
 
What makes me not angry enough to abandon Nikon all together is that they really listened to N1 users' demands and created DL.
Although I've seen many Nikon 1 V users state their preference here for a fixed VF, I don't recollect any advocacy of fixed lenses - just as no people were ever crying out for microSD cards, or to have more AutoISO top values removed etc.
 
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I have plenty invested in the N1 system, but all at bargain basement prices. The wife uses the V2 with the V1 as a back, plus the lastest zoom, the 18.5, the 10, and the 10-100. I use the J5, and have a J3 and J1 as back ups, and shoot either the 18.5 or the 30-110. None of them bought at regular prices.

And so I don't care if the N1 is dead or not. I have extra batteries, sd cards, and money for any of the 3 excellent other lenses if they collapse in price. In the meantime, we just keep shooting and having fun.
 
I have plenty invested in the N1 system, but all at bargain basement prices. The wife uses the V2 with the V1 as a back, plus the lastest zoom, the 18.5, the 10, and the 10-100. I use the J5, and have a J3 and J1 as back ups, and shoot either the 18.5 or the 30-110. None of them bought at regular prices.

And so I don't care if the N1 is dead or not. I have extra batteries, sd cards, and money for any of the 3 excellent other lenses if they collapse in price. In the meantime, we just keep shooting and having fun.
I'm not saying Nikon 1 is dead. It's just the DL makes it feel like Nikon 1 customers are doing all the hard work only to have the fruits of the labor given to someone else.
 
What makes me not angry enough to abandon Nikon all together is that they really listened to N1 users' demands and created DL.
Although I've seen many Nikon 1 V users state their preference here for a fixed VF, I don't recollect any advocacy of fixed lenses - just as no people were ever crying out for microSD cards, or to have more AutoISO top values removed etc.
There were plenty demands for sharp fast zooms! And obviously in minimal size. Nikon just couldn't sell the overstock bodies at fire sale prices any more, so they put them together. Multiple bodies can be a good thing. I carry two bodies in the bag anyways. Obviously loss of the mount is significant but they gotta do what they gotta do, make money!
 
It appears the fog is slowly clearing and the N1 saga is coming to an end. The cameras I have will be functional for a while and addition of a DL is a possibility.

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borami
I'll live with what I have, but on principle will not buy another Nikon. It's not as though there are not alternatives out there. I think a lot will join me. We just need to be vocal, in case anyone from Nikon reads this forum (there has been precious little sign of it in the past)

tom
First of all, the N1 market was a very small part of Nikon's sales. Just ask any camera store. Aside from people that own the N1, it's passing would be hardly noticed. I said from the beginning that I thought the N1 (especially the V series) was an experiment and now it SEEMS that the experiment is over. People buy Nikon because of their glass. As long as that remains true, I don't see Nikon sales numbers will be affected by the demise of the N1.

There is a lot of gloom and doom out there. Just because a camera line is not emphasized at a camera show doesn't mean that it's all over for that camera. Nikon could be preparing the successor to the N1 series in a 1" ILC. They might call it something more mainstream than Nikon 1 like Nikon CX. We'll just have to wait for a bit to see if Nikon is planning any thing in that arena. I know they are hoping that the DL will do well. It is somewhat different from the N1 cameras. I think that's an improvement. I'm thinking the N1 badge was just a bit too tarnished. Just look upon the DL as a reset.

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Cliff
 
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