Why is the Nokia 808 still the pinnacle in Smartphone Photography?

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All I'm talking about here is how natural everything is, I can compare it to the 1020 or any other phone and it's pictures are still so much better. They're not over sharpened, saturated, don't do that weird making everything yellow like the 1020 does. The processing is spot on, I bought a Sony RX100m3 awhile back and it took worse pictures, all because their processing sucked.

I just cannot believe how ahead of the game Nokia was with it, shame Microsoft fooked everything up as they always do.
 
All I'm talking about here is how natural everything is, I can compare it to the 1020 or any other phone and it's pictures are still so much better. They're not over sharpened, saturated, don't do that weird making everything yellow like the 1020 does. The processing is spot on, I bought a Sony RX100m3 awhile back and it took worse pictures, all because their processing sucked.

I just cannot believe how ahead of the game Nokia was with it, shame Microsoft fooked everything up as they always do.
Agree, the JPG output from the 808 is superior to my older Canon 5D which required full time RAW capture to get good results.

Not sure what they put in the 808 that made it so hard to follow! Could Damien Dinning had something to do with R & D of the 808 that was not able to be implemented in the 1020. Or could it be the out sourced dedicated image processing chip. Or could it have just been luck that the combination of that particular design of Zeiss optics combined with the Toshiba 41MP sensor and the image processing chip was a match made in heaven.
 
All I'm talking about here is how natural everything is, I can compare it to the 1020 or any other phone and its pictures are still so much better. They're not over sharpened, saturated, don't do that weird making everything yellow like the 1020 does. The processing is spot on, I bought a Sony RX100m3 awhile back and it took worse pictures, all because their processing sucked.

I just cannot believe how ahead of the game Nokia was with it, shame Microsoft fooked everything up as they always do.
I've just looked at the photos of the 808 vs. the recent crop of good cameraphones such as the Microsoft Lumia 950. I agree that there is just something special about the image quality of the 808 that sets it apart from the rest of the pack. The most important quality of the 808 that plays a vital role, in my opinion, is the LACK OF PROCESSING that gives a NATURAL LOOK to the photos, although other aspects such as Pureview 8MP zoom, Xenon flash and 41MP etc. are still desirable and useful features.

If you look at the sample photos of the 950 shown here in other threads by forum members, no doubt the images are excellent. Good clarity and great saturated colors. But if you look closely and scrutinize in detail, you would notice the images are over-sharpened. They look overly sharp. Sharpness is a good thing, but if the processing goes beyond then the image would lose the natural look. Compare the photos in the thread "950XL... My 1st Bird Pic". In the peacock image, look at the details, the head of the peacock and the feathers. The colors and sharpness are a bit higher from neutral on the scale. Don't get me wrong, the image looks great, but a slight bump in the sharpness and colors gives the image an over-processed look(the 950XL). Once you switch to the image of the close-up shot of the bird taken by the 808, you would notice how natural the image appears on the screen. The colors are just nice, the sharpness is still there but not overdone. NATURAL is the keyword.

Sometimes, I wished Nokia would still have brand new 808 in stores, selling at a huge discounted price say $100. I wouldn't mind getting another one, purely just for photography as it is smaller than most compact cameras, and the image quality is also better than these compacts. Currently my 808 had been passed down to my mum who was using the Nokia N8 before this.

It is surprising that the Sony RX100Mk3 took worse photos than the Nokia 808 though. I thought it's the other way round. Anyway, I believe for the differential in price between the two devices, the 808 is the winner for value. Too bad it has been discontinued. Although it isn't appealing or useful as a smartphone by today's standards, if used solely as compact camera, it actually gives much better results than the cheap compacts with smaller sensors.
 
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I still hope, one day, there will be a phone with the same (if not better) camera module as the Nokia Pureview 808, but one that runs on Android with fast processing speed and comes with a 5.2" screen. It doesn't matter if the smartphone comes from Microsoft, Samsung, Apple, Panasonic or any other manufacturers.
 
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All I'm talking about here is how natural everything is, I can compare it to the 1020 or any other phone and its pictures are still so much better. They're not over sharpened, saturated, don't do that weird making everything yellow like the 1020 does. The processing is spot on, I bought a Sony RX100m3 awhile back and it took worse pictures, all because their processing sucked.

I just cannot believe how ahead of the game Nokia was with it, shame Microsoft fooked everything up as they always do.
I've just looked at the photos of the 808 vs. the recent crop of good cameraphones such as the Microsoft Lumia 950. I agree that there is just something special about the image quality of the 808 that sets it apart from the rest of the pack. The most important quality of the 808 that plays a vital role, in my opinion, is the LACK OF PROCESSING that gives a NATURAL LOOK to the photos, although other aspects such as Pureview 8MP zoom, Xenon flash and 41MP etc. are still desirable and useful features.

If you look at the sample photos of the 950 shown here in other threads by forum members, no doubt the images are excellent. Good clarity and great saturated colors. But if you look closely and scrutinize in detail, you would notice the images are over-sharpened. They look overly sharp. Sharpness is a good thing, but if the processing goes beyond then the image would lose the natural look. Compare the photos in the thread "950XL... My 1st Bird Pic". In the peacock image, look at the details, the head of the peacock and the feathers. The colors and sharpness are a bit higher from neutral on the scale. Don't get me wrong, the image looks great, but a slight bump in the sharpness and colors gives the image an over-processed look(the 950XL). Once you switch to the image of the close-up shot of the bird taken by the 808, you would notice how natural the image appears on the screen. The colors are just nice, the sharpness is still there but not overdone. NATURAL is the keyword.

Sometimes, I wished Nokia would still have brand new 808 in stores, selling at a huge discounted price say $100. I wouldn't mind getting another one, purely just for photography as it is smaller than most compact cameras, and the image quality is also better than these compacts. Currently my 808 had been passed down to my mum who was using the Nokia N8 before this.

It is surprising that the Sony RX100Mk3 took worse photos than the Nokia 808 though. I thought it's the other way round. Anyway, I believe for the differential in price between the two devices, the 808 is the winner for value. Too bad it has been discontinued. Although it isn't appealing or useful as a smartphone by today's standards, if used solely as compact camera, it actually gives much better results than the cheap compacts with smaller sensors.
"Lack of Processing" can only be achieved if the base data output from the sensor is good. It is for this reason we are seeing increased edge sharpening from small sensor smartphone cameras To make up for this absent data, manufacturers apply noise reduction and edge enhancement to make up for this shortfall.

Rumour has it BSI Cmos sensors suffer from issues like cross talk between pixels, which may be the reason why the rx100 mark i is sometimes higher regarded than the rx100 iii and iv.
 
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Rumour has it BSI Cmos sensors suffer from issues like cross talk between pixels, which may be the reason why the rx100 mark i is sometimes higher regarded than the rx100 iii and iv.
I think they call it "Pixel Bleeding" and it's very annoying.

As awful is the softness of Sony's RX lenses or even the A zoom kit lenses.

That's what's keeping me away from the mighty A6000!
 
Rumour has it BSI Cmos sensors suffer from issues like cross talk between pixels, which may be the reason why the rx100 mark i is sometimes higher regarded than the rx100 iii and iv.
I think they call it "Pixel Bleeding" and it's very annoying.

As awful is the softness of Sony's RX lenses or even the A zoom kit lenses.

That's what's keeping me away from the mighty A6000!
I am still using my ye oldie nex 5r, what is you weapon of choice?
 
Rumour has it BSI Cmos sensors suffer from issues like cross talk between pixels, which may be the reason why the rx100 mark i is sometimes higher regarded than the rx100 iii and iv.
I think they call it "Pixel Bleeding" and it's very annoying.

As awful is the softness of Sony's RX lenses or even the A zoom kit lenses.

That's what's keeping me away from the mighty A6000!
I am still using my ye oldie nex 5r, what is you weapon of choice?
spoiler alert

I prefer to travel light, aka my photo equipment must fit in a big pocket.

Nikon P7700. Tiny (Sony #^%*) sensor, slow AF, but the super sharp 28-200mm equiv. lens and the good jpeg algorithm give stunning images...

Next choice will be the FZ1000 or a Nikon J5 10-30mm + 30-110mm. Both Sony sensors though but with better AF and jpeg algorithms.

spoiler alert off
 
Rumour has it BSI Cmos sensors suffer from issues like cross talk between pixels, which may be the reason why the rx100 mark i is sometimes higher regarded than the rx100 iii and iv.
I think they call it "Pixel Bleeding" and it's very annoying.

As awful is the softness of Sony's RX lenses or even the A zoom kit lenses.

That's what's keeping me away from the mighty A6000!
I am still using my ye oldie nex 5r, what is you weapon of choice?
spoiler alert

I prefer to travel light, aka my photo equipment must fit in a big pocket.

Nikon P7700. Tiny (Sony #^%*) sensor, slow AF, but the super sharp 28-200mm equiv. lens and the good jpeg algorithm give stunning images...

Next choice will be the FZ1000 or a Nikon J5 10-30mm + 30-110mm. Both Sony sensors though but with better AF and jpeg algorithms.

spoiler alert off
Nikon JPGs from their DSLRs are indeed quite good. I have never really been a fan of both Nikon or Canon prosumer point and shoot super zooms or compact. For out of camera JPGs, Olympus and Fuji are still the best in my opinion at creating faithful JPGs
 
It starts with the hardware, like for any camera. A large, high resolution sensor, a high-quality Zeiss lens. You can't cheat physics.
 
When I bought the 808, I had expected the 808 would inherit the N8's Photo Video Editing Suite. I was surprised that it wasn't included in the software.
 
But they have ported it for the 808 as well. I don't remember the name...
 
What is happening with the Sony Z5? 4 years after the 808's release and it's a mess with the other phone cameras.

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Never buy version 1.0 of anything.
 
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All I'm talking about here is how natural everything is, I can compare it to the 1020 or any other phone and it's pictures are still so much better. They're not over sharpened, saturated, don't do that weird making everything yellow like the 1020 does. The processing is spot on, I bought a Sony RX100m3 awhile back and it took worse pictures, all because their processing sucked.

I just cannot believe how ahead of the game Nokia was with it, shame Microsoft fooked everything up as they always do.
Additionally, the 808 already had a 3000mah battery option by Mugen Power to replace the stock Nokia battery. Plus a replacement 808 cover for the 3rd party battery.

I am having trouble locating the official Mugen Power Battery website at the moment.

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Never buy version 1.0 of anything.
 
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