dxo for nx1!

[tecnoworld]

DXOMARK

www.dxomark.com

 

[creaDVty]

Hmm... I'm frankly surprised that the results aren't better, given DPR's observations about high ISO, and from a comparison with the DPR studio scene widget.

 

[tecnoworld]

I was surprised as well. Imo the high iso images are better than a7, noise wise. And the dr is on par with nikon 5500 or even slightly better.

 

[creaDVty]

The high ISO score is just the same as the a6000, even though the NX1 looks a lot better at high ISO. Very strange.

 

[tjobbe]

why is it strange ?

The NX1 might not measure better but most of us agree that the files look better hence the measurement is not all that matters.

My take is that the kind of noice that the BSI produces at higher ISO is just more "Korn" like (spelled in German) making the grain look better.

 

[tjobbe]

BTW: DXO did not yet release these numbers officially on their front page as there is no detailed measurement attached at this point in time

 

[creaDVty]

True, no lenses tested either. Maybe it's a placeholder accidentally uploaded by an intern? )

 

[Jorginho]

I was surprised as well. Imo the high iso images are better than a7, noise wise. And the dr is on par with nikon 5500 or even slightly better.

ISO6400, lightbulbmode dpreview

Now this is all downsized to the same printsize, just like dxo does. It seems to me that in the shadows at least GH4 is clearly the worst, but there seems very little between EM1, NX1 and A7.

 

[tecnoworld]

I didn't notice that! I searched with google " nx1 dxo" and the page appeared.

P.s. they should now test all the lenses again in nx1, as they do with other systems. I guess they'd get definitely higher values on this new high resolving sensor with no aa filter.

 

[neil holmes]

I was surprised as well. Imo the high iso images are better than a7, noise wise. And the dr is on par with nikon 5500 or even slightly better.

ISO6400, lightbulbmode dpreview

Now this is all downsized to the same printsize, just like dxo does. It seems to me that in the shadows at least GH4 is clearly the worst, but there seems very little between EM1, NX1 and A7.

I disagree with regards the A7.

While the NX1 does indeed seem to have very nice high ISO in day light, that is not in low light when most would use high ISO.

I think this explains why there is so much back and forth about if it is a good camera at high ISOs or not.....and why it will not score all that high in DXOmark for lowlight.....note DXOmark is lowlight NOT just high ISO.

33rd out of all the cameras on the list at DXOmark for "sports Low light ISO "is still very respectable and a fraction above the Sony A6000 and Nikon D5300 and ahead of many very good cameras.

The A7 looks to my eyes, much better using the DPR studio scene for both Jpeg and RAW for almost every part of the scene at ISO 6400 and above when low light is selected.....and that seems to match the DXOmark scores difference for low light.

The NX1 looks a very nice camera and in many ways a better camera for many people than a A7.

For high ISO in low light though? I don't think so.

In a year or two if Samsung keeps up this sort of stuff (and some lenses) I can see many sports pros using Samsung.

 

[bclaff]

FWIW, I already tested the NX1 here's the interactive chart with some of the other cameras mention in this thread.:





They are pretty close together particularly at higher ISO settings.
(Don't get distracted by the A6000 extended ISO measurements.)

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[GoneMirrorless]

I was surprised as well. Imo the high iso images are better than a7, noise wise. And the dr is on par with nikon 5500 or even slightly better.

ISO6400, lightbulbmode dpreview

Now this is all downsized to the same printsize, just like dxo does. It seems to me that in the shadows at least GH4 is clearly the worst, but there seems very little between EM1, NX1 and A7.

I disagree with regards the A7.

While the NX1 does indeed seem to have very nice high ISO in day light, that is not in low light when most would use high ISO.

I think this explains why there is so much back and forth about if it is a good camera at high ISOs or not.....and why it will not score all that high in DXOmark for lowlight.....note DXOmark is lowlight NOT just high ISO.

33rd out of all the cameras on the list at DXOmark for "sports Low light ISO "is still very respectable and a fraction above the Sony A6000 and Nikon D5300 and ahead of many very good cameras.

The A7 looks to my eyes, much better using the DPR studio scene for both Jpeg and RAW for almost every part of the scene at ISO 6400 and above when low light is selected.....and that seems to match the DXOmark scores difference for low light.

The NX1 looks a very nice camera and in many ways a better camera for many people than a A7.

For high ISO in low light though? I don't think so.

In a year or two if Samsung keeps up this sort of stuff (and some lenses) I can see many sports pros using Samsung.

I see people arguing the A7 might be a little a better at high ISOs and others saying they are equal. The A7 is already at a big disadvantage with the slower processing, frames per second and moire filled 1080p video. Without any fast zooms in sight, this does not bode well.

I've always preferred APS-C over FF because of lens reach, size and price. If I replace my A77ii, I would get the NX1 over an A7 now in a heartbeat. I know there are fringe users who like old lenses an manual focusing, but I don't live in the 1900s.

 

[neil holmes]

I was surprised as well. Imo the high iso images are better than a7, noise wise. And the dr is on par with nikon 5500 or even slightly better.

ISO6400, lightbulbmode dpreview

Now this is all downsized to the same printsize, just like dxo does. It seems to me that in the shadows at least GH4 is clearly the worst, but there seems very little between EM1, NX1 and A7.

I disagree with regards the A7.

While the NX1 does indeed seem to have very nice high ISO in day light, that is not in low light when most would use high ISO.

I think this explains why there is so much back and forth about if it is a good camera at high ISOs or not.....and why it will not score all that high in DXOmark for lowlight.....note DXOmark is lowlight NOT just high ISO.

33rd out of all the cameras on the list at DXOmark for "sports Low light ISO "is still very respectable and a fraction above the Sony A6000 and Nikon D5300 and ahead of many very good cameras.

The A7 looks to my eyes, much better using the DPR studio scene for both Jpeg and RAW for almost every part of the scene at ISO 6400 and above when low light is selected.....and that seems to match the DXOmark scores difference for low light.

The NX1 looks a very nice camera and in many ways a better camera for many people than a A7.

For high ISO in low light though? I don't think so.

In a year or two if Samsung keeps up this sort of stuff (and some lenses) I can see many sports pros using Samsung.

I see people arguing the A7 might be a little a better at high ISOs and others saying they are equal.

Yes.....but what I am saying is look at the high ISO photos in LOW light....look at both the RAW and Jpegs from the studio scene LOW light.....you can read the text at ISO 25600 from the A7, not so much from the NX1.

I also see very few photos from the NX1 in low light high ISO.....why is that?

The A7 is already at a big disadvantage with the slower processing, frames per second and moire filled 1080p video. Without any fast zooms in sight, this does not bode well.

A7 processing is fast enough for me.....I would much rather the NX1 for low ISO video, but I think I would still prefer my A7 for video at higher (than ISO 6400) for video......then again, since getting an A7s I use THAT for video.

As for fast zooms, well I mainly use primes (fast and slow) but use the old Canon EF 20-35 2.8 (for both AF and manual focus).

I've always preferred APS-C over FF because of lens reach, size and price. If I replace my A77ii, I would get the NX1 over an A7 now in a heartbeat. I know there are fringe users who like old lenses an manual focusing, but I don't live in the 1900s.

Choice is good......IF I wanted a new APSC camera and was starting from scratch, I would give the NX1 a serious look......I much prefer FF now (with a APSC mode) so for me there are very few choices.

My two most expensive lenses are CURRENT Canon TS-E lenses that work really well on the A7/A7s.

AF is nice with E mount lenses, ok with A mount lenses and somewhat useable with some Canon EF mount Lenses.

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I just don't get all the A7 this and A7 that .......FPS it is actually faster than some FF DSLRs.

If you want the NX1 APSC camera, that is a great choice.....I don't, I want a FF mirrorless camera.

As I said, for some people a NX1 would be a much better choice than the A7.....for high ISO in low light though....no.

 

[GoneMirrorless]

I was surprised as well. Imo the high iso images are better than a7, noise wise. And the dr is on par with nikon 5500 or even slightly better.

ISO6400, lightbulbmode dpreview

Now this is all downsized to the same printsize, just like dxo does. It seems to me that in the shadows at least GH4 is clearly the worst, but there seems very little between EM1, NX1 and A7.

Overall the NX1 is the winner at ISO6400. It is better in almost all of the daylight scene but partially worse in the tungsten scene. In the tungsten scene the NX1 is still better.

Either RAW processor or the NX1 appears to have issues with some colors or lighting. Since I switch to all LED lighting gin my house, I am not as worried about tungsten lighting.

This is my opinion. You might see something else.

 

[GoneMirrorless]

I no longer use old incandescent lighting in my house. My lighting is closer to the wider range daylight scene. Since the NX1 looks a lot better in the daylight scene, the NX1 would be the winner for me. Evening and night time would also be closer to the daylight scene lighting and since the NX1 does better with red, it should excel at dusk and dawn too.

Both scenes at ISO 6400 ARE "low light" the fast shutter speed limits the light hitting the sensor to a tiny amount. The color gamut is different though which is what we are seeing.

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[neil holmes]

I was surprised as well. Imo the high iso images are better than a7, noise wise. And the dr is on par with nikon 5500 or even slightly better.

ISO6400, lightbulbmode dpreview

Now this is all downsized to the same printsize, just like dxo does. It seems to me that in the shadows at least GH4 is clearly the worst, but there seems very little between EM1, NX1 and A7.

Overall the NX1 is the winner at ISO6400. It is better in almost all of the daylight scene but partially worse in the tungsten scene. In the tungsten scene the NX1 is still better.

Either RAW processor or the NX1 appears to have issues with some colors or lighting. Since I switch to all LED lighting gin my house, I am not as worried about tungsten lighting.

This is my opinion. You might see something else.

Yes I do.

And ABOVE ISO 6400, it is chalk and cheese.

In fact, in the studio scene for either Jpeg or RAW at ISO 12800 and ISO 25600 in low light, there is only one area that I think the NX1 looks better.....the word Kodak on the right side of the scale in the middle up the top......EVERY other place and the A7 looks better .....or much better to me.

25600 is not a setting I would use often on either.....12800 I would use as a normal setting with the A7 but I use the A7s now for low light and 25600 is a normal setting for that camera.

I don't use ISO 6400 in good light, others may differ.

Again, the NX1 IS a very nice camera .....no argument.

It is JUST at high ISOs for low light I am talking about.....where the NX1 seems a nice camera too ....one of the better APSC sensors even.

People can make up their own minds for looking at the studio scene and DXOmarks individual settings in low light when they are available.

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[neil holmes]

I no longer use old incandescent lighting in my house. My lighting is closer to the wider range daylight scene. Since the NX1 looks a lot better in the daylight scene, the NX1 would be the winner for me. Evening and night time would also be closer to the daylight scene lighting and since the NX1 does better with red, it should excel at dusk and dawn too.

Both scenes at ISO 6400 ARE "low light" the fast shutter speed limits the light hitting the sensor to a tiny amount. The color gamut is different though which is what we are seeing.

 

[GoneMirrorless]

Even with my A77ii I don't think I've even had to shoot at above ISO 6400. F/1.4 lenses help.

Talk about ISO25600 all you want, but last I check sites like flickr about 99.5% of stills are taken at ISO6400 or less.

All the higher/faster/specs excite me more than super high ISO, like my A77ii I want fast frame rates, a great ability to track, and excellent video. Matching or beating an A7 at ISO 6400 would only be icing on the cake.

 

[GoneMirrorless]

I no longer use old incandescent lighting in my house. My lighting is closer to the wider range daylight scene. Since the NX1 looks a lot better in the daylight scene, the NX1 would be the winner for me. Evening and night time would also be closer to the daylight scene lighting and since the NX1 does better with red, it should excel at dusk and dawn too.

Both scenes at ISO 6400 ARE "low light" the fast shutter speed limits the light hitting the sensor to a tiny amount. The color gamut is different though which is what we are seeing.

 

[neil holmes]

The thing I really like about the A7s is I just don't have to worry about having to use a fast aperture lens.....like I used to with previous cameras....I can just use what I want in almost any light

The A7 is almost there but with 12800 as my top auto ISO setting I am still a little limited by aperture.

To me, the NX1 IS still a camera that I would have as maybe ISO 6400 as my top setting so I would still be a bit limited by NEEDING a fast lens in low light for high ISO.

Even with my A77ii I don't think I've even had to shoot at above ISO 6400. F/1.4 lenses help.

Talk about ISO25600 all you want, but last I check sites like flickr about 99.5% of stills are taken at ISO6400 or less.

All the higher/faster/specs excite me more than super high ISO, like my A77ii I want fast frame rates, a great ability to track, and excellent video. Matching or beating an A7 at ISO 6400 would only be icing on the cake.

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Cameras with mirrors - Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in