WWII photo is a fake!

romphotog

Leading Member
Messages
757
Reaction score
16
Location
Brooklyn, NY, US
Interestingly the Getty caption for the image is strictly speaking quite accurate :
"Women firefighters direct a hose after the Japanese attack on the US naval base at Pearl Harbor."
The shot was indeed taken after the attach on Pearl harbour and they really were directing a hose . So we can't exactly fault Getty except for a sin of omission.

It's not as if newspapers and governments don't do exactly the same sort of thing these days when presenting "news". Always be sceptical unless you have corroboration.

--
StephenG
 
This was cited in an earlier thread, prompted as much by misogyny as by historical indignation, but people got bent out of shape and missed a serious point.

Hardly any "war photography" can be authentic, if there is such a thing.

If bullets, bombs, flames, and shrapnel are flying, only a soon-to-be dead nut would walk around taking pictures.

If injured and dead are lying all over the place, whoever decided that's time to take pictures might deserve to have their camera or nose busted.

Courage is if you face battle, take calculated risks, and carry a weapon. Lunacy is if you face battle as a photo-op, take unmeasured risks, and carry a camera.

Photographers sometimes perish in beligerant situations. Sometimes it's due to being in the right place at the right time, business-wise, but not from the vantage of safety. Perhaps they get hit by accident. Other times, it's not so clear. It may be because someone mistook a camera for a gun. Or it may be because the photographers are propaganda agents for the other side. Embedded photographers are certainly at the mercy of (and partial to) their sponsoring units. They sure aren't stretcher bearers, medics, or clergy that might qualify for momentary cease fire.

Consequently, war photographers must spend the better part of their time keeping their heads low. That "Pulitzer prize shot" isn't worth a hole in the head. Therefore, some events must be recreated or enacted.

The firefighter picture looks like innocuous PR to me. It's "history" in the same sense as a "Buy War Bonds" poster or MacArthur posing for a staged shot on a beach. A military parade is a staged event. Does that make it any less historical?

Finally, this is not confined to any war, any time, or any subject. Most professional or commercial photography or video exist for the sake of presenting people or goods favorably. It succeeds by conveying images of how the sponsors or clients want things to be perceived.
 
What? You mean to say that I can't believe everything I read or see in the media?
 
If bullets, bombs, flames, and shrapnel are flying, only a soon-to-be dead nut would walk around taking pictures.
In fairness there have been ( and are ) plenty of very courageous war reporters who risk getting their heads blown off in action.

It's something of a mystery to me why people praise soldiers when you compare them to medics, reporters and those generally ignored heros of wars everywhere - civilians.

--
StephenG
 
On a serious note I agree 100% with sjgcit. I had a good freind who was badly wounded in Korea. He was a laundryman. He never ever got a medal.

While many war photos were 'staged' many many more were real. Just look at Vietnam to see real camera men in action.
 
On a serious note I agree 100% with sjgcit. I had a good freind who was badly wounded in Korea. He was a laundryman. He never ever got a medal.

While many war photos were 'staged' many many more were real. Just look at Vietnam to see real camera men in action.
It is why it's called "combat photography" by "combat photographers." They also carry weapons.

One person's insanity is another person's daredevil hobby: you'd never catch me putting on a parachute and diving off a bridge, but hundreds of people do it. Are they crazy? Maybe, but...that's not for me to judge. Would I try the kinds of jumps Evel Knievel tried? Not a chance, though I've jumped motorcycles over various smaller gaps off road. Was he crazy? Maybe, but it provided a good living, along with the breaks and aches.

It is simply too easy to harshly judge those who don't do as we do, or believe as we believe.

Merry Christmas and Semper fi,

--
Charlie Self
http://www.charlieselfonline.com
 
All you have to do is look at the flag raising photo on Iwo Jima.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raising_the_Flag_on_Iwo_Jima
although not fake; it is posed, compared to the original shot.
Neither the first nor second flag raising on Iwo Jima were posed. The definition of "pose" is this:

pose - to assume a posture or attitude usually for artistic purposes

The second raising might have been a recreation , or less precisely, a staging , but it certainly wasn't posed.

The Marines wanted to raise a bigger flag than the original one. This is from the very wikipedia article link you posted:

Rosenthal's trio reached the summit as the Marines were attaching the flag to an old Japanese water pipe. Rosenthal put down his Speed Graphic camera (which was set to 1/400th of a second shutter speed, with the f-stop between 8 and 16) on the ground so he could pile rocks to stand on for a better vantage point. In doing so, he nearly missed the shot. Along with Navy Pharmacist's Mate Second Class John H. Bradley, the five Marines began raising the U. S. flag. Realizing he was about to miss it, Rosenthal quickly swung his camera up and snapped the photograph without using the viewfinder.[18] Ten years after the flag-raising, Rosenthal wrote:

Out of the corner of my eye, I had seen the men start the flag up. I swung my camera and shot the scene. That is how the picture was taken, and when you take a picture like that, you don't come away saying you got a great shot. You don't know.


The only famous Iwo Jima flag photo that was posed is this obvious one, which did not portray the actual raising of the flag:

 
Very TRUE ... the "famous" photo was definitely NOT "posed".

The rumor got started because when Rosenthal did not think his first (not posed) photo was usable because he almost missed it and didn't use the viewfinder, he did indeed pose the second (Gung Ho) shot you show above.

Since this was BC (before digital & rear LCD), Rosenthal did not really know how either of the photos would finalize but sent in both (all) films to a lab in Guam. When the lab, (all excited), asked if it was posed, Rosenthal mistakenly thought they were talking about the second "posed" (Gung Ho) shot because he had assumed the first was not be any good and could not be the one they were talking about.

(The Gung Ho shot is the one posted by jimby_99 above.)

So he mistakenly answered "posed" to the wrong photo; and the truth remains muddled to this day.

Albeit it is true that it was the second flag raising, but to state in was "restaged" is not entirely accurate since they were in fact rasiing a second (LARGER) flag, on a different (HIGHER) pole.

BTW, the (second) raising was MOVIE-filmed by Bill Genaust, who was killed a few days later inside a Japanese tunnel and remains on the Island today.

It is also notable that only 3 of the 6 marines in the photo survived the battle.

SEMPER FI

--
Thanks for reading .... JoePhoto

( Do You Ever STOP to THINK --- and FORGET to START Again ??? )
 
Never saw or heard of that photo before. Guess it's not much news.
 
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/famous-photo-female-pearl-harbor-firefighters-debunked-204920757.html

I had seen it a few times in textbooks, in history books, etc.
So the truth finally came out!

Next up the Roswell UFO crash, JFK plot, the Moon landing, 9/11, the true builders of the pyramids, and biggest mystery of all who shot J.R.?
Well it does bear the caption "Women firefighters direct a hose after the Japanese attack on the US naval base at Pearl Harbor." in the archive. It's kinda technically true. It just doesn't specify how long after the attacks. How thin can I split a hair?

--

It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain an idea without necessarily accepting it. -Aristotle

The one serious conviction one should hold is that nothing should be taken too seriously.
...oh, and I see by the lack of responses that I am right yet again.
 
Is a staged photo a 'fake' photo? When I was a military photographer, I once staged a photo of 3 children folding an American flag at a school for military dependents. I rather cynically selected one White child, one Black child, and one Asian child. Was that a 'fake' photo? They were all citizens of the USA, and that flag was gonna get folded anyway. Either them or the janitor (and he wasn't a citizen)

On a more personal level, when your granny poses rather stiffly with 3 generations of her family, is THAT a 'fake' photo?
--
I'm so bright, my father calls me son.

Now that you've judged the quality of my typing, take a look at my photos. . .
http://www.jpgmag.com/people/glenbarrington/photos
 

Keyboard shortcuts

Back
Top