Help migrating my photographic collection from ACDSee to Lightroom

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I tried to seach this on the forum with not much luck, so apologies if it's been covered before. For the last 7 years, I've taken, renamed, catalogued, developed, and edited my work using ACDSee Pro (curent version I use is 3 build 475).

Because I need some more advanced tools for editing, and because I've seen a lot more info/plugins out there using Lightroom, I've decided to make the switch. The problem is that I have so much invested in ACDSee (kinda like the Canon vs Nikon debate!)

I'm wondering if anyone out there has made the switch, and how they went about it. Specifically, my photo collection is organized something like this: C\My Documents\Pictures\Year\MM-DD\What_the_picture_is_about.jpg. I've also got a backup hard drive that mirrors the first.

Over time, I've taken each photo and assigned categories to them. My categories tend to be the people or being in them (as most are of my kids/pets). For example, I have Dog-Buster and Dog-Spot, and Kids-Mike and Kids-Sophia for categories. Many photos have 2 or more categories assigned (for example, a photo of Buster and Sophia has both). When my dog died last year, it was quite easy to bring up the "Best of Buster" by telling ACDSee to find me everything that matched the "Buster" category and the "4" or "5" rating, or any photos of Buster and Sophia.

From what I gather, the way to do this in Lightroom is using Keywords. But to go through the 20K photos I have and assign each the correct keywords, would be a real bear, and I've done that once already by categorizing them in ACDSee. And then there's the fact that many of the photos were Developed and even Edited in ACDSee - I'm not sure how to migrate it to LR and keep my edits as there's a lot of time invested there. So I'm seeking advice on the best way to migrate my collection over. I've thought of a couple ways to do this, but wondering if anyone has any advice on a better (best) way(s):

1.) Make a clean break - Set a date where I simply don't import into ACDsee and I import only into Lightroom. - I can figure this one out without help

2.) A hybrid workflow - use ACDSee to catalogue files, and Lightroom for developing and editing the best of them. (If anyone has a good example of how they do this, I'd appreciate it, as it seems like a good option, since ACDSee seems to excel at organizing and LR seems to excel at editing)

3.) Use ACDSee and collect all the files from a given category, copy them to a single folder (as they reside in a multitude of folders right now), and then doing a Lightroom import with a Keyword preset. This approach won't work well for anything assigned to multiple categories, and at the end of it, Lightroom will have all the photos in a single folder, and not my nice date-wise structure I have now.

4.) Something I haven't thought of (such as a plugin for LR that reads ACDSee database info and puts it into keyword format?) Maybe it's such that you can assign keywords to files in ACDsee and then LR can read those keywords too? (this would work pretty well, if it's possible, but it seems to me that the metadata is not the same for both programs - and I'd obviously lose any develop and edit settings I have - maybe there's a way to keep those (with "commit changes" in ACDSee?))

I realize this is a long post, and appreciate if anyone's actually read this far down and can offer some advice. Thanks for any help in advance!

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-Kevin
 
Okay, I think I've alf-answered my question. It seems the IPTC metadata is shared between the programs, such that with a little work, I can dig out all the photos in one ACDSee category, assign them all an IPTC Keyword and then when I import into LR, I will be able to have them all have keywords, which serves the purpose of organizing the photos.

Now, the second half of my question remains to be helped - if anyone knows how. Is there a way I can keep my images in whatever "developed" or "edited" state they are in in ACDSee upon import? This may not be a terribly clear question, so asking slightly differently, say I have Developed a photo of Buster the Dog in ACDSee by pumping up the contrast, vibrance, saturation, and sharpening a little. Then I loaded it into ACDSee Edit module to remove some sensor dust that appears in the sky. Is there a way to import the edited version into LR (and I know I'll obviously lose the ability to revert to the original, undeited version and I'll not be able to re-edit or re-develop as I would if I stayed with ACDSee. But at least the thousands of photos I've edited would be imported in their edited state.

Again, help appreciated.
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-Kevin
 
I know very little (read that as nil) about ACDsee but from the gist of your post ACDSee does not change the original file and keeps it edit information in its catalogue/database (same as LR).

That being the case I would think you would need to export from ACDsee to new edited files then import the exported files into LR instead of the originals.

Sorry can't be of more help.
Looks like you certainly have a big task in front of you.

Good Luck!
 
Thanks, goanna, that's kinda what I was thinking I'd have to do. Hoping someone's done it so that I don't have to be the pioneer. The IPTC keyword thing I posted works very well to keep the oraganization I've done. That's probably the bigger (more boring) chore, because even if I have to re-edit photos in LR, I'll at least get some practice. Thanks for the post. BTW, do you know, or have you found, any information on how LR does file "management" within the Develop module? Are the edit instructions saved in a database/file somewhere that should be periodically backed up? Is it then important not to move files around using the computer's file system? If your HD crashes, will all your edits be lost (speaking about LR, that is)?
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-Kevin
 
I would go to an ACDSee forum to find out how to write out your edits, if they are in fact non-destructive.

Lightroom stores the edit information in the database as well as in the file or XMP (depending on file type) if you so choose. By that I mean you can set LR up to write out any new metadata as it is generated or only write out on demand. I set up the latter so it isn't constantly writing out.

Re HD, you do have backups don't you? Disk drives are extremely cheap now -- get a big external drive (or two or three) and use them! Back up your images as well as the database.

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Judy,

Thanks for tips and the information - do you know where the information about the "process" Lightroom uses (like what it does to what kinds of files as they are developed) might be found? I didn't immediately see it in the help files, although undoubtedly it's there. If you have a link directly to it in the manual and/or a weblink, that would be helpful.

Regarding backups, I've evaluated a multitude of ways to do this, and think I have a decent strategy. My keepers are uploaded to SmugMug (backup #1), and all the photos I take are mirrored to another, external HD (as you said, they are cheap as dirt). Because I care so much about my precious memories, I also burn them to dual layer DVD's as well (which as I understand isn't quite permanent since the organic layers will degrade after a number of years, but it definitely protects me short term). I'd of course love to hear other people's strategies.

-Kevin
 
I was using ACDSee to catalog all my images and about 2 years ago I migrated to IDImager. I was not using the Pro version of ACDSee - the version I was using did not allow me to write the keyword assignments to the IPTC. So, I downloaded a trial version of ACDSee pro and used the trial version to write the keywords to IPTC to all of my images before the trial expired. I did about a months worth of images at a time, and it took me about a week to do this for 30,000 images. I then imported my files to IDImager and read the categories from the IPTC fields.

I have since bought Lightroom for processing my raw files. I still use IDI to manage my collection. I download photos into IDI and sort them there, and assign categories. Then I go to Lightroom, and select the folder where the images are stored. Right click on the folder, and synchronize the folder. This will load your images into the catalog, and will assign Lightroom keywords based on the metadata. Bottom line is, if you write your keyword data to the IPTC metadata, Lightroom can read it once you have imported the files.

I do not believe that ACDSee's edits are non-destructive, so I think you will get the edited files if you imprt them directly into Lightroom. I suggest you try importing a few and see what happens.

As far as backups are concerned, one addition you may want to consider is off-site storage for all of your image files and catalogs. That will protect you from something like a fire that wipes out everything at once. I have a server that runs a backup of my whole system every day and retains copies for months. But for off site backup, all I do is run a backup of everything to an external HD once a week, and take it to my son who lives across town. I swap this weeks HD with the one from last week and take that one back home for my next off-site backup. Pretty easy to do, and it gives me an excuse to have a pint with my son once a week!
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Keith

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Hi Kevin,

Your note raises good questions that I hadn't thought of. I've been using ACDSee for ... 30+ years with a lot of non-destructive modifications (when they were introduced) categorizing, keywords, etc.

Did you receive any useful advice?

I hope your move to Lightroom went smoothly. Do you have any advice you could share?

Thank you,

Peter

PS Isn't it wonderful that DPReview continues?!!
 
Hi Kevin,

Your note raises good questions that I hadn't thought of. I've been using ACDSee for ... 30+ years with a lot of non-destructive modifications (when they were introduced) categorizing, keywords, etc.

Did you receive any useful advice?

I hope your move to Lightroom went smoothly. Do you have any advice you could share?

Thank you,
That's an old thread and a good question. So you don't wait for long time. The OP has not been active since April 1, 2011.
Peter

PS Isn't it wonderful that DPReview continues?!!
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