Z8 Command Dial Inconsistency

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Still getting familiar with my new Z8, but I've found what appears to be an inconsistency in how the command dials work.

In M mode, the rear dial controls Aperture and the front dial controls Shutter speed. But in A mode, the aperture is controlled by the front dial and in S mode, the shutter speed is controlled by the rear dial. In P mode, with Auto ISO off, the direction of the rear dial is reversed and you have turn it in the opposite direction form M mode to increase or decrease aperture.

I'd like the rear dial to control aperture in all modes and the front dial to control shutter speeds in all modes, but can't seem to find a customization setting to do that.
 
Still getting familiar with my new Z8, but I've found what appears to be an inconsistency in how the command dials work.

In M mode, the rear dial controls Aperture and the front dial controls Shutter speed. But in A mode, the aperture is controlled by the front dial and in S mode, the shutter speed is controlled by the rear dial. In P mode, with Auto ISO off, the direction of the rear dial is reversed and you have turn it in the opposite direction form M mode to increase or decrease aperture.

I'd like the rear dial to control aperture in all modes and the front dial to control shutter speeds in all modes, but can't seem to find a customization setting to do that.
You must have changed something, then.

Look at pages 122-123 in the Reference Manual (PDF version). Here are the default behaviors.

In A mode, use the sub-command dial (under the shutter button) to change aperture.

In S mode, use the main command dial (rear of camera) to change shutter speed.

In M mode, the dials control the same settings but you can use both.

Regarding reversing these: you can do that with a Custom control, but I don’t recommend it. Every Nikon body with these controls has worked this way by default, so you are best to adopt the standard. If you are coming from a different brand, embrace the Nikon way of doing things rather than fighting it.
 
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In custom controls shooting (where you assign buttons) you can specify which dial uses Pv/Tv/Av in each mode (PSAM.) The confusing part is that is is called "exposure settings." Unfortunately, the web guide and video setup guides ALL skip this, so I don't have a nice preview for you. So if everyone else missed it...

I'm considering changing my ways and always using the rear dial for the mode I'm in. I was shocked how quickly I got used to the R8's top dial versus Nikon's front dial. However, I liked that when I had a point and shoot and DSLR, they had the same layout. I could use a third custom locking/unlocking dial like Sony offers on some of their cameras. Good luck!
 
Still getting familiar with my new Z8, but I've found what appears to be an inconsistency in how the command dials work.

In M mode, the rear dial controls Aperture and the front dial controls Shutter speed. But in A mode, the aperture is controlled by the front dial and in S mode, the shutter speed is controlled by the rear dial. In P mode, with Auto ISO off, the direction of the rear dial is reversed and you have turn it in the opposite direction form M mode to increase or decrease aperture.

I'd like the rear dial to control aperture in all modes and the front dial to control shutter speeds in all modes, but can't seem to find a customization setting to do that.
You must have changed something, then.

Look at pages 122-123 in the Reference Manual (PDF version). Here are the default behaviors.

In A mode, use the sub-command dial (under the shutter button) to change aperture.

In S mode, use the main command dial (rear of camera) to change shutter speed.

In M mode, the dials control the same settings but you can use both.

Regarding reversing these: you can do that with a Custom control, but I don’t recommend it. Every Nikon body with these controls has worked this way by default, so you are best to adopt the standard. If you are coming from a different brand, embrace the Nikon way of doing things rather than fighting it.
Disagree with this. Every Nikon I have bought going back to the D70 has let me switch the operation of the dials, which I have done on every one of them. If you want the aperture on the back dial, go ahead and set it that way.

But yeah, OP, sounds like you messed up one of the settings.
 
In custom controls shooting (where you assign buttons) you can specify which dial uses Pv/Tv/Av in each mode (PSAM.) The confusing part is that is is called "exposure settings." Unfortunately, the web guide and video setup guides ALL skip this, so I don't have a nice preview for you. So if everyone else missed it...
That's it. My bad. I had changed how Manual mode works but had not altered the others. I've done that now, as shown below, and now the rear dial always controls aperture and the front shutter speed. This is how I've always set it up on all my bodies since the D70.

I do wish I could change the dial direction in P mode, but not a big deal.



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Because what you have described is NOT how the camera operated out of the box. I would suggest that you use the Save Settings feature at this point so (a) you know how to use it and (b) save your current settings so you can return to this status if you wish to do so.

Go into the Custom Controls menu, then select the Shooting sub section, and then select the Command dial option. I don't have the Z8 but do have the Zf and expect they are similar in the options for the Command Dial. Note Tv means Time Value or Shutter selection. Av indicates Aperture Value. As for P*, I have no idea what that means, if you use the P mode the Reference Manual should provide what that means. What you will see will be a table for the controls for each mode setting. You can then toggle across the table and set what command dial controls either the aperture or shutter for each camera mode setting. On my Zf the front dial is a hair too recessed and it's a bit more difficult to access than the rear command dial. As a result I have the rear command dial to set to control the Aperture in both the M and A modes. Note in the S mode I use the top dial for shutter control so I leave the setting for the Command Dials at the factory default.
PLShutterbug wrote: Regarding reversing these: you can do that with a Custom control, but I don’t recommend it. Every Nikon body with these controls has worked this way by default, so you are best to adopt the standard. If you are coming from a different brand, embrace the Nikon way of doing things rather than fighting it.
I have to disagree with PLSutterbug on this advice.

The Zf is a unique camera with an actual shutter speed dial than can be used. In addition the front Sub Command dial is recessed a bit too much and more difficult to access, especially for those who add a grip to this camera. The best approach for the Zf is to set the camera up so that only the Main Command dial is used and the Sub Command dial is ignored. Fortunately that dial for the shutter speed on top of the camera allows this to be done, all you have to do is reverse the factory settings for the A and M modes.

I've also reversed the dials on my Z7 II because even on that camera I still find the Main Command dial easier to get to AND it allows me to maintain keeping my finger on the shutter release while adjusting the aperture. BTW, I mainly shoot in A or M mode with this camera because I have always used the aperture to control the DOF for what I am shooting. I will also note that the Sub Command dial on the Z7 II is very convenient to use and the older Z7 II has a setting to specifically reverse the Command Dial behaviors.

End result is that with my cameras the rear Main Command dial adjusts the aperture and I find that much more convenient for me. Others are perfectly free to set their cameras however they wish. That is one real benefit for these cameras, they make it so much easier for users to set their camera to suit their individual needs.
 
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Because what you have described is NOT how the camera operated out of the box. I would suggest that you use the Save Settings feature at this point so (a) you know how to use it and (b) save your current settings so you can return to this status if you wish to do so.

Go into the Custom Controls menu, then select the Shooting sub section, and then select the Command dial option. I don't have the Z8 but do have the Zf and expect they are similar in the options for the Command Dial. Note Tv means Time Value or Shutter selection. Av indicates Aperture Value. As for P*, I have no idea what that means, if you use the P mode the Reference Manual should provide what that means. What you will see will be a table for the controls for each mode setting. You can then toggle across the table and set what command dial controls either the aperture or shutter for each camera mode setting. On my Zf the front dial is a hair too recessed and it's a bit more difficult to access than the rear command dial. As a result I have the rear command dial to set to control the Aperture in both the M and A modes. Note in the S mode I use the top dial for shutter control so I leave the setting for the Command Dials at the factory default.
PLShutterbug wrote: Regarding reversing these: you can do that with a Custom control, but I don’t recommend it. Every Nikon body with these controls has worked this way by default, so you are best to adopt the standard. If you are coming from a different brand, embrace the Nikon way of doing things rather than fighting it.
I have to disagree with PLSutterbug on this advice.

The Zf is a unique camera with an actual shutter speed dial than can be used. In addition the front Sub Command dial is recessed a bit too much and more difficult to access, especially for those who add a grip to this camera. The best approach for the Zf is to set the camera up so that only the Main Command dial is used and the Sub Command dial is ignored. Fortunately that dial for the shutter speed on top of the camera allows this to be done, all you have to do is reverse the factory settings for the A and M modes.

I've also reversed the dials on my Z7 II because even on that camera I still find the Main Command dial easier to get to AND it allows me to maintain keeping my finger on the shutter release while adjusting the aperture. BTW, I mainly shoot in A or M mode with this camera because I have always used the aperture to control the DOF for what I am shooting. I will also note that the Sub Command dial on the Z7 II is very convenient to use and the older Z7 II has a setting to specifically reverse the Command Dial behaviors.

End result is that with my cameras the rear Main Command dial adjusts the aperture and I find that much more convenient for me. Others are perfectly free to set their cameras however they wish. That is one real benefit for these cameras, they make it so much easier for users to set their camera to suit their individual needs.
On my Z6 iii:

I kept my aperture and shutter dials at the default: front dial for aperture, rear for shutter. But I might swap the dials, since now I see how the AF-modes on the rear dial are easier to operate. I change aperture more often than I change shutter speeds.

AF-area modes!

This thread got me to notice that there's a setting to swap the dials for the "AF/[+] Focus mode/AF-Area mode" that I have assigned to F1. So I swapped the dials:

Front sub-command dial: AF-C, AF-S, M.

Rear main command dial: scroll through my checkmarked AF Area modes. Yeah, that's easier on this dial.

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f2: Custom controls (shooting) --> Command dials {in the right column of controls, toward the bottom} --> three menu choices:

Exposure setting: for P,A,S,M dials {as discussed above}

Focus/Af-area mode selection: original or swapped dials.

Sub-command dial zoom role: Exposure setting or Zoom {which works when a Zoom control is in effect -- My F2 is 100% zoom, so now the front dial allows 50%, 100%, 200%.
 
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In custom controls shooting (where you assign buttons) you can specify which dial uses Pv/Tv/Av in each mode (PSAM.) The confusing part is that is is called "exposure settings."

Unfortunately, the web guide and video setup guides ALL skip this, so I don't have a nice preview for you. So if everyone else missed it...
Here's a screen capture from the online Z8 Reference Guide. The below page is accessible via The Custom Settings Menu > f2: Custom Controls (Shooting) > Command Dials

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There are downloadable reference guides for all Z-body cameras. They're an essential resource. I have several on my phone.

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Thank you, I was hoping to give the OP an image of the screen he posted. I've always been entertained by Canon's using Pv Av Sv Tv, and that is the only place in Nikonland where I've seen them use the v syntax.
 

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