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Where's DavidP?
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He was banned by Phil... saw it over at Fred's.
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Mike Potter
Well-known member
BMarkey
Senior Member
Click to:
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/viewtopic.php?TopicID=2121
to read all about this saga. The explanation thread goes on almost as long as the one David ended here.
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/viewtopic.php?TopicID=2121
to read all about this saga. The explanation thread goes on almost as long as the one David ended here.
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David Eppstein
Forum Enthusiast
If I see any more of those stupid smurf-faces I think I shall scream.
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David Birkin
Guest
what ever next? it's come to a sorry state of affairs when someone such as DavidP gets banned. sure he may post alittle (okay quite alot), but why else would we have broadband.
--BreezeBrowser RAW conversion times http://www.davidbirkin.com so thats what happened. I knew that thread was bad news so I jus stayed out of it. Actually, I don't read long threads that much anymore. I tend to just read the smaller threads now.
Hmmm... too bad this happened.
Joo
Hmmm... too bad this happened.
Joo
--- Canon D-30 & PowerShot S100- Maybe one day I'll take a decent picture. In the meantime, I'll blame the equipment.
Michael Porter
Leading Member
What's Kafkaesque about this is that we can't even read the posts that David got banned for since they were appearently deleted. Did Phil even tell him specifically why he was banned? What rule was broken?
What's the policy on banning? is there a policy? Does one get a warning? Is one usually banned for life, or just some time period?
Does anyone know? Or, more pointedly, does Phil know and will he tell us?
What's the policy on banning? is there a policy? Does one get a warning? Is one usually banned for life, or just some time period?
Does anyone know? Or, more pointedly, does Phil know and will he tell us?
He closed down a thread on purpose by posting a series of messages to push it over the limit, however what he did was wrong and if phil is tightening up the rules and banning people who don,t follow his guidlines or do stupid thing then this cannot be all bad.
The point to remember is that we all read posts that we don,t like or agree with but we DO NOT have the right to shut that thread down its that simple in my view.
The point to remember is that we all read posts that we don,t like or agree with but we DO NOT have the right to shut that thread down its that simple in my view.
--Regards Richard
Tom Conte
Leading Member
On Fred's forum, David refers to someone who contacted Phil annoyed with his posts of links to his photos. Who would do that? Someone must have been annoyed with David and complained to Phil for this to happen.
IM*H*O, David's actions didn't warrent banning him without even giving him a warning. But as David rightly notes, this is Phils private site. Still it is a great loss to the forum. David added quite a bit. I learned a lot about composition looking at his shots and listening to his equipment internal conflicts/debates. He will be missed.
Tom
IM*H*O, David's actions didn't warrent banning him without even giving him a warning. But as David rightly notes, this is Phils private site. Still it is a great loss to the forum. David added quite a bit. I learned a lot about composition looking at his shots and listening to his equipment internal conflicts/debates. He will be missed.
Tom
Apparently there was a particularly contentious thread that had readched 140 posts. DavidP posted 10 additional posts in a row to reach 150. 150 posts is the limit for any thread and by doing what he did, DavidP effectively closed the thread. Some people might have complained to Phil about DavidP's action in that thread.
Joo
Joo
--- Canon D-30 & PowerShot S100- Maybe one day I'll take a decent picture. In the meantime, I'll blame the equipment.
Brian Mottershead
Well-known member
I'm not going to comment on DavidP's behaviour and second-guess Phil for banning him. However, as someone who used to regularly read this forum and occasionally participate, I will comment that the quality of this forum has noticably and dramatically declined in the past several months. I now only check it every week or so in the hope that it has rebounded. Actually, it seems to be getting worse, not better.
If Phil has decided to do something about it by moderating the forum more actively, I would see that as a good thing. Too bad that it is necessary.
I notice the DavidP is now reducing the signal-to-noise ratio over at Fred Miranda's forum. Pity.
If Phil has decided to do something about it by moderating the forum more actively, I would see that as a good thing. Too bad that it is necessary.
I notice the DavidP is now reducing the signal-to-noise ratio over at Fred Miranda's forum. Pity.
Peter Gregg
Senior Member
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I guess this should be a wake up call to a lot of us folks here. We should read the rules of the forum. If a serious rule is broken, it is the computer that steps in and stops it. Welcome to the world of automation.
I have stumbled across words I have written that when I tried to post the post was rejected. This is an automated response by the server.
At the same time, if someone postes many posts in a row quickly, the server can inturpret that as an attack similair to the denial of service attacks that have brought other major websites down. An automated response from the server would probably be to protect this sight. Phil, or some guy doesn't just sit there 24 hours a day watching the site for spam attacks.
So, reading the rules and actually not trying to make them up ourselves might be a great idea for some of us free spirits who have been raised to think we can do what we want. Computers have no heart and they would ban Phil himself if he spammed this site. It's a different world out there, and following some guidelines would be a great idea. There is another rule here that says if we are being personally attacked NOT to respond. If that rule was followed, David would still be here. Taking it upon himself to close down a thread , well, what can I say, he must have been pretty angry, he should have let it go, don't we teach that to our kids? Walk away when you can?. I guess the server got angry too
Pete
I guess this should be a wake up call to a lot of us folks here. We should read the rules of the forum. If a serious rule is broken, it is the computer that steps in and stops it. Welcome to the world of automation.
I have stumbled across words I have written that when I tried to post the post was rejected. This is an automated response by the server.
At the same time, if someone postes many posts in a row quickly, the server can inturpret that as an attack similair to the denial of service attacks that have brought other major websites down. An automated response from the server would probably be to protect this sight. Phil, or some guy doesn't just sit there 24 hours a day watching the site for spam attacks.
So, reading the rules and actually not trying to make them up ourselves might be a great idea for some of us free spirits who have been raised to think we can do what we want. Computers have no heart and they would ban Phil himself if he spammed this site. It's a different world out there, and following some guidelines would be a great idea. There is another rule here that says if we are being personally attacked NOT to respond. If that rule was followed, David would still be here. Taking it upon himself to close down a thread , well, what can I say, he must have been pretty angry, he should have let it go, don't we teach that to our kids? Walk away when you can?. I guess the server got angry too
Pete
Jerry Schmidt
Well-known member
I have suffered through the months of DavidP's dominance of this forum. I was starting to think this was DavidP's private playground and wonder if the guy had a job. His contributions were more like chat room Blah! Blah! Blah! than thoughtful contributions. And in one response he was rather aggressive and rude to me, I need that like a hole the head.
I would rather see this forum have more thoughtful contributions, questions, answers and sharing than dominance by some joker who thinks he needs to comment on everything. Bye David ...............looks like the sun is coming out.--Jerry S
I would rather see this forum have more thoughtful contributions, questions, answers and sharing than dominance by some joker who thinks he needs to comment on everything. Bye David ...............looks like the sun is coming out.--Jerry S
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Cliff Chase
Guest
Does the guy even have a job? He was posting like 60 times a day, every day!!!! I wish I had that much free time.
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Lee Rothman
Guest
If you need to chat with him he can be found over there.......
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jim kelly
Guest
I received one myself. Over at the olympus forum we had a photographic challenge to take a picture of an appliance scantily clad. The challange was unique and the submissions were quite funny. Some of the language between the sexes got maybe a bit close to the edge of corporately correct so Phil told everyone to stick to the rules. A week or two later someone - in my opinion flamed me - for posting - in his opinion - too many pics at pbase. This pissed me off so I responded with a very throughout reply - not ladened - but peppered with a few strong/harsh characterizations of my flamer. Phil immediately deleted my message after only one other poster had a chance to comment on it and Phil send sent me a personal email telling me that he was giving me one more change.
There used to be a guy named Frances at the Nikon forum who got banned for life and my experience made me wonder the severity of Frances's actions.
Anyway, for me the forums have lost much of their appeal but in an effort not to be banned for life I have limited myself to a limited number of posts in order to stay under Phil's radar. It si not much fun but the feedback from you guys is so valuable that I won't risk a lifetime ban for a few laughs.
Be careful,
Jim
P.S. - With that said, Phil has every right to do as he does and I respect his decisions regardless of whether or not I agree with them. It must be quite a chore making sure everyone keeps on the straight and narrow.
There used to be a guy named Frances at the Nikon forum who got banned for life and my experience made me wonder the severity of Frances's actions.
Anyway, for me the forums have lost much of their appeal but in an effort not to be banned for life I have limited myself to a limited number of posts in order to stay under Phil's radar. It si not much fun but the feedback from you guys is so valuable that I won't risk a lifetime ban for a few laughs.
Be careful,
Jim
P.S. - With that said, Phil has every right to do as he does and I respect his decisions regardless of whether or not I agree with them. It must be quite a chore making sure everyone keeps on the straight and narrow.
Michael Porter
Leading Member
So the theory is that David got banned for posting several messages in a row? And this closed down or ended a thread?
First, you can't close down a thread. Anyone can reopen the subject and start "Thread Subject Part II". If I post message 149 and 150 in a thread will I automatically be banned for life?
Second, I don't see this action covered in the forum rules. See the rules posted below. Perhaps it was considered malicious posting. I don' t know.
Third, why not give a warning first? Wouldn't that seem a resonable policy considering the possible vagueness in the rules?
Fourth, why remove the offending posts from the forum so we can't see them? This doesn't make sense if the offense was not the content but that they were just too many in a row. Wouldn't it be better to leave them as an example of what not to do?
Fifth, David has seemed to me to been a pretty good member, a defender of the forum rules, and a valuable contributer. He has been very helpful to others. At least he has with me. I wonder if this was properly taken into account?
Sixth: I want to obey the rules. I just would like to know clearly what they are and the proceedure, if there is one, for breaking them. For example, is capital punishment the only remedy? Are there ever lessor sanctions imposed?
What's the deal here? Phil? Anyone?
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First, you can't close down a thread. Anyone can reopen the subject and start "Thread Subject Part II". If I post message 149 and 150 in a thread will I automatically be banned for life?
Second, I don't see this action covered in the forum rules. See the rules posted below. Perhaps it was considered malicious posting. I don' t know.
Third, why not give a warning first? Wouldn't that seem a resonable policy considering the possible vagueness in the rules?
Fourth, why remove the offending posts from the forum so we can't see them? This doesn't make sense if the offense was not the content but that they were just too many in a row. Wouldn't it be better to leave them as an example of what not to do?
Fifth, David has seemed to me to been a pretty good member, a defender of the forum rules, and a valuable contributer. He has been very helpful to others. At least he has with me. I wonder if this was properly taken into account?
Sixth: I want to obey the rules. I just would like to know clearly what they are and the proceedure, if there is one, for breaking them. For example, is capital punishment the only remedy? Are there ever lessor sanctions imposed?
What's the deal here? Phil? Anyone?
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Site questions / comments - Please check our Site FAQ first, you may have a question which has already been answered. If not, send us feedback, don't post site questions in the forums.
Question for the webmaster - DO NOT POST "Question for Phil" or "Phil,..." messages, the webmaster doesn't have time to scan through or respond to all the forums. For Sale - We don't allow for sale messages (at all).
Commercial advertising - Commercial website linking or advertising is not allowed, if you wish to advertise on the site contact us.
SPAM - Anyone posting the same (or similar) message more than twice in any of the forums.
Flame / Attacks - We do not tolerate abusive, malicious, personal attacks or self-promoting messages.
Trolls - Anyone deliberately antagonizing other forum users by posting 'flame bait' type messages are not welcome.
Bashing - Deliberately and repeatedly bashing the same brand, product or company will get you banned. If you have a complaint or comment to make then make it once and make sure you have facts to support it. We will not tolerate users whose only aim is to repeatedly bash.
Posting several pictures - If you're posting several pictures post then all in one message or post a link to a gallery. Posting several messages with just one image in each in a short period will be treated as SPAM - deleted.
Glamour / Nude / Bikini pictures - Please do not embed such images in your messages, while we understand that such pictures (tastefully shot) are a big part of commercial photography we do have a worldwide audience and wide range of paying advertisers. If you wish to bring a gallery of such images to peoples attention then please just post a link. Voyeuristic pictures - We do not allow posting of voyeur pictures.
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