What if ...

[Ozzie SD]

I am quite sure everything has been said by the users as well as by DPReview.

It's quite clear the biggest concern is the loss of threaded view.

Despite all the good intentions of DPReview, unfortunately there will not be threaded view in the new forum. It is a given fact that can not be changed.

We will have to wait how things turn out once the new forum is launched, but I wonder if there is a 'what if' scenario.

I am not saying this will happen, but what if a large amount of users can't get used to flat view and the amount of forum users / visitors will significantly drop? Is there some sort of backup scenario? Once gone, it will be very hard or even impossible to regain the users that have left the ship. So, if at some point it becomes clear that many users are leaving, is there an emergency plan to prevent further loss?

 

[mfinley]

I imagine the "emergency" plan is facing the reality that life goes on.

Those who can't adapt will be just fine doing something else with their lives and instead of trying to project an untimely death for DPR due to 20-30 people leaving, maybe consider an alternate reality that life will go on for DPR too, that new people as always will replace those who leave and all this hand-wringing is just a few people's choice to spread drama?

 

[nightowlnz]

I imagine the "emergency" plan is facing the reality that life goes on.

Those who can't adapt will be just fine doing something else with their lives and instead of trying to project an untimely death for DPR due to 20-30 people leaving, maybe consider an alternate reality that life will go on for DPR too, that new people as always will replace those who leave and all this hand-wringing is just a few people's choice to spread drama?

Exactly, it is hard to believe that (except for some unforeseen and unfixable technical hurdle) they'd spend this time and money, then admit defeat, and then go through data migration again to move back to the old system.

 

[Ken53]

I imagine the "emergency" plan is facing the reality that life goes on.

Those who can't adapt will be just fine doing something else with their lives and instead of trying to project an untimely death for DPR due to 20-30 people leaving, maybe consider an alternate reality that life will go on for DPR too, that new people as always will replace those who leave and all this hand-wringing is just a few people's choice to spread drama?

There is a good possibility about 50% of registered DPR users have no idea this project exists. I very rarely checked "open talk" in my 17 years until the last year or so. Many users check DPR occasionally when free, maybe once a week or even less. So, some might be blindsided by this project. The most realistic scenario will be the slow steady loss of interest in this site or just forums in general. Even those excited users here today. They will eventually just have better things more important. The biggest % loss will be the lack of fun proportionate to time spent. Then there is the currant dwindling use of forums internet wide we see right now will continue downward also. The camera industry had a fantastic run. All good things come to end sooner or later. Photography was a big part of my life since 13 yrs old, darkroom and all, but I am surprising myself, it has been on the back burner lately. Check my profile. I posted more this week then I have in the last two years. I lived on DPR years back. Not anymore. Cycling, Woodworking, Cars, Home Theater, Beach Bum, Photo and Movie editing with no interest to post online. Cameras expensive, everything has been posted a zillion times. The list goes on.

New DPR users are plentiful and are recruitable, that's for you guys' to work on. (-:

 

[MAC]

I am quite sure everything has been said by the users as well as by DPReview.

It's quite clear the biggest concern is the loss of threaded view.

Despite all the good intentions of DPReview, unfortunately there will not be threaded view in the new forum. It is a given fact that can not be changed.

We will have to wait how things turn out once the new forum is launched, but I wonder if there is a 'what if' scenario.

I am not saying this will happen, but what if a large amount of users can't get used to flat view and the amount of forum users / visitors will significantly drop? Is there some sort of backup scenario? Once gone, it will be very hard or even impossible to regain the users that have left the ship. So, if at some point it becomes clear that many users are leaving, is there an emergency plan to prevent further loss?

my estimation, is that they are betting the ship on this ... no going back

 

[Ken53]

I am quite sure everything has been said by the users as well as by DPReview.

It's quite clear the biggest concern is the loss of threaded view.

Despite all the good intentions of DPReview, unfortunately there will not be threaded view in the new forum. It is a given fact that can not be changed.

We will have to wait how things turn out once the new forum is launched, but I wonder if there is a 'what if' scenario.

I am not saying this will happen, but what if a large amount of users can't get used to flat view and the amount of forum users / visitors will significantly drop? Is there some sort of backup scenario? Once gone, it will be very hard or even impossible to regain the users that have left the ship. So, if at some point it becomes clear that many users are leaving, is there an emergency plan to prevent further loss?

my estimation, is that they are betting the ship on this ... no going back

Lots of scenarios. My money is on the slow boredom. Even some of today's happy-promoting Flat View users will succumb to the boredom. Time frame 1 but less then 2 years. Maybe Managment will recognize this in time implement a thread view. Lots of maybes.

 

[InkedMarie]

What if? I believe we’ll be SOL.

Marie

 

[Sagittarius]

I wander why is "doom and gloom" of DPR is beeing predicted by fierce proponents of threaded view not getting what they want. I am on this site for it's content. I use flat view, do not like threaded view. But if new format would offer only threaded view, I would not leave just because of that.

 

[BryanHL]

I wander why is "doom and gloom" of DPR is beeing predicted by fierce proponents of threaded view not getting what they want. I am on this site for it's content. I use flat view, do not like threaded view. But if new format would offer only threaded view, I would not leave just because of that.

Because of the way certain people like to read the threads. It suits their way of perusal, taking in info, being organised. To many people flat view is the anti-thesis of being organised. Many of those people are long time members of DPR and have contributed a lot to the forums over time. They have an attachment to the site - or at least their chosen forums.

In my case, much shorter time here, but it is the only forum I will visit for info on cameras / lenses where I can read experiences / views from others.

If some people prefer to read with flat view, all power to them - that's their choice. If the decision was to remove flat view and lots were jumping up and down, I would never challenge their frustration. I would probably side with them. I would certainly never say "... not getting what they want". That smacks of no empathy. No ability to feel what others experience...

 

[MAC]

I wander why is "doom and gloom" of DPR is beeing predicted by fierce proponents of threaded view not getting what they want. I am on this site for it's content. I use flat view, do not like threaded view. But if new format would offer only threaded view, I would not leave just because of that.

Because of the way certain people like to read the threads. It suits their way of perusal, taking in info, being organised. To many people flat view is the anti-thesis of being organised. Many of those people are long time members of DPR and have contributed a lot to the forums over time. They have an attachment to the site - or at least their chosen forums.

In my case, much shorter time here, but it is the only forum I will visit for info on cameras / lenses where I can read experiences / views from others.

If some people prefer to read with flat view, all power to them - that's their choice. If the decision was to remove flat view and lots were jumping up and down, I would never challenge their frustration. I would probably side with them. I would certainly never say "... not getting what they want". That smacks of no empathy. No ability to feel what others experience...

Exactly right

we call it having both, innovative and distinctive character, vs me too, generic, and less organized

 

[M4Mobility]

I wander why is "doom and gloom" of DPR is beeing predicted by fierce proponents of threaded view not getting what they want. I am on this site for it's content. I use flat view, do not like threaded view. But if new format would offer only threaded view, I would not leave just because of that.

Same here. I am also here for the content. I'm a flat view user too. If it was only threaded view, I would just try to help the site going forward, post more, be positive and welcome new users.

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- M4M

 

[Ken53]

I wander why is "doom and gloom" of DPR is beeing predicted by fierce proponents of threaded view not getting what they want. I am on this site for it's content. I use flat view, do not like threaded view. But if new format would offer only threaded view, I would not leave just because of that.

Same here. I am also here for the content. I'm a flat view user too. If it was only threaded view, I would just try to help the site going forward, post more, be positive and welcome new users.

wish you all the best

I plan to visit out curiosity

 

[mfinley]

The most realistic scenario will be the slow steady loss of interest in this site or just forums in general.

The fastest segment of non-cell phone camera buyers is....





Who would you be courting to ensure your future? That 5% of 60 and older that make up the majority of this website's membership who are so upset over a change to the format that they say they are leaving, or the 95% who embrace change and represent your future?

 

[Ken53]

The most realistic scenario will be the slow steady loss of interest in this site or just forums in general.

The fastest segment of non-cell phone camera buyers is....



Who would you be courting to ensure your future? That 5% of 60 and older that make up the majority of this website's membership who are so upset over a change to the format that they say they are leaving, or the 95% who embrace change and represent your future?

I don't see any year over year numbers. Camera sales are dropping.

Why the panic? It seems like DPR is on a full swing to success. You all should be happy be to be rid of the over 60 group. It's yours do as you please. After all, we only are the ones that brought DPR to highest level. I plan to lurk unless the interface impresses me.

 

[mfinley]

You all should be happy be to be rid of the over 60 group.

Who is "you all"? I'm in that group.

 

[wh1tby]

What I find interesting is that if the threaded view is popular why there are no cost effective off the shelf solutions for providing such a view as well as a flat view.

From what has beens said, DP Review is moving to a standard package which will be customized for their use, and that having reviewed the options flat views are the only available solutions.

I tend to agree that threaded solutions are much easier to follow and respond to, given that they allow more focused responses. But it seems that the generic solutions offered decided to ignore that option and focus on flat views which is really quite irritating.

I think we have to accept the fact that this is what DP Review have chosen and I can fully understand the complexities of maintaining a proprietary platform (I worked in the software world for 50 plus years) and so in the interests of keeping costs under control, they have decided to adopt a standard platform and customize it for their use. We will see if that results in a drop off in participation. I do not know, but I do know the forums will become less engaging for me.

 

[Ken53]

The most realistic scenario will be the slow steady loss of interest in this site or just forums in general.

The fastest segment of non-cell phone camera buyers is....



Who would you be courting to ensure your future? That 5% of 60 and older that make up the majority of this website's membership who are so upset over a change to the format that they say they are leaving, or the 95% who embrace change and represent your future?

I don't see any year over year numbers. Camera sales are dropping.

Why the panic? It seems like DPR is on a full swing to success. You all should be happy be to be rid of the over 60 group. It's yours do as you please. After all, we only are the ones that brought DPR to highest level. I plan to lurk unless the interface impresses me.

I am sorry, I read your words multiple times. I don't understand the point you are trying to make.

Hope it all works out for, whatever that is. (No sarcasm intended.)

 

[fuji_phil_e]

I wander why is "doom and gloom" of DPR is beeing predicted by fierce proponents of threaded view not getting what they want. I am on this site for it's content. I use flat view, do not like threaded view. But if new format would offer only threaded view, I would not leave just because of that.

I use my phone to view DPR and find threaded view dreadful. However, if the reverse of what is happening were true, I'd learn to make it work as I like the site, enjoy posts by certain people, and frequent a few specific forums that have great topics. I'd not let the tail wag the dog, nor throw my toys out of the (free) pram. The other way around the whole threaded thing would be a subscription model, which would of course REALLY see people leave in droves (and see new users not come here).

 

[Ken53]

Did we lose this thread?

Anyone know where it is?

 

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