What if the RP 26mp sensor IS or ISN'T the same as as 6DII ?

[73Instamatic]

Forgive me for asking. I know we'll find out in about a weeks time anyway.

However, I spent some time this morning going back and reading as much as I could about the 26mp sensor in the 6DII. Never having owned one, I didn't have any prior knowledge of what the scuttlebutt was when it came out.

Some posts here at DPR were excellent when it came to describing what the situation is/was without implying that the camera itself was/wasn't worth having or using.

So without rehashing all those older posts, I'm wondering: If the Base ISO DR is the same as the 6DII (no worse, but no better either), is that a deal-breaker?

 

[Great Bustard]

What if the RP 26mp sensor IS or ISN'T the same as as 6DII ? Forgive me for asking. I know we'll find out in about a weeks time anyway.

However, I spent some time this morning going back and reading as much as I could about the 26mp sensor in the 6DII. Never having owned one, I didn't have any prior knowledge of what the scuttlebutt was when it came out.

Some posts here at DPR were excellent when it came to describing what the situation is/was without implying that the camera itself was/wasn't worth having or using.

So without rehashing all those older posts, I'm wondering: If the Base ISO DR is the same as the 6DII (no worse, but no better either), is that a deal-breaker?

It will be the same sensor, obviously, just like the R was the same sensor in the 5D4. Canon's looking to maximize profit, here, so they're going to do as little as possible to the 6D2 sensor to make it work in the R.

 

[bokehmon22]

We don't know until the review is in but base on tweak 5D IV recycle sensor in EOS R, it was slightly worst. It isn't a huge real world differences, but a measurable one.

6DII sensor already isn't a very good sensor to begin with a more limited DR compared to 6DI.

 

[73Instamatic]

What if the RP 26mp sensor IS or ISN'T the same as as 6DII ? Forgive me for asking. I know we'll find out in about a weeks time anyway.

However, I spent some time this morning going back and reading as much as I could about the 26mp sensor in the 6DII. Never having owned one, I didn't have any prior knowledge of what the scuttlebutt was when it came out.

Some posts here at DPR were excellent when it came to describing what the situation is/was without implying that the camera itself was/wasn't worth having or using.

So without rehashing all those older posts, I'm wondering: If the Base ISO DR is the same as the 6DII (no worse, but no better either), is that a deal-breaker?

It will be the same sensor, obviously, just like the R was the same sensor in the 5D4. Canon's looking to maximize profit, here, so they're going to do as little as possible to the 6D2 sensor to make it work in the R.

I suspect that's true.

The question though is:

Would that make the camera not worth consideration?

Or would it just be a small constraint? A single "con" in a long list of other pros and cons?

 

[Intros64]

So without rehashing all those older posts, I'm wondering: If the Base ISO DR is the same as the 6DII (no worse, but no better either), is that a deal-breaker?

Everybody who will buy EOS RP will say that DR doesn't matter for them and probably they will be right. Those who need the ultimate base ISO DR and this sensor is a tweak 6DII probably they will look elsewhere.

 

[Great Bustard]

What if the RP 26mp sensor IS or ISN'T the same as as 6DII ? Forgive me for asking. I know we'll find out in about a weeks time anyway.

However, I spent some time this morning going back and reading as much as I could about the 26mp sensor in the 6DII. Never having owned one, I didn't have any prior knowledge of what the scuttlebutt was when it came out.

Some posts here at DPR were excellent when it came to describing what the situation is/was without implying that the camera itself was/wasn't worth having or using.

So without rehashing all those older posts, I'm wondering: If the Base ISO DR is the same as the 6DII (no worse, but no better either), is that a deal-breaker?

It will be the same sensor, obviously, just like the R was the same sensor in the 5D4. Canon's looking to maximize profit, here, so they're going to do as little as possible to the 6D2 sensor to make it work in the R.

I suspect that's true.

It's money in the bank.

The question though is:

Would that make the camera not worth consideration?

Or would it just be a small constraint? A single "con" in a long list of other pros and cons?

The main thing about the R-lite is that you will have an RF mount body that is the smaller and lighter than all other FF options and you can use RF lenses on it. So, if the DR, noise performance, and resolution of the 6D2 sensor is "good enough", it's definitely a camera worth considering based on sensor specs alone (there may well be other reasons not to get it, like video capability, EVF, etc.).

 

[davev8]

Forgive me for asking. I know we'll find out in about a weeks time anyway.

However, I spent some time this morning going back and reading as much as I could about the 26mp sensor in the 6DII. Never having owned one, I didn't have any prior knowledge of what the scuttlebutt was when it came out.

Some posts here at DPR were excellent when it came to describing what the situation is/was without implying that the camera itself was/wasn't worth having or using.

So without rehashing all those older posts, I'm wondering: If the Base ISO DR is the same as the 6DII (no worse, but no better either), is that a deal-breaker

Everybody that owns a 6Dii don't have a problem with IQ ...only reviewers do....... if you are someone that likes lifting shadows 5 stops and or do HDR then the 6Dii sensor is not for you ....if you like normal shadows in you photos not lifted more that a couple of stops and you expose correctly then you will be fine ....i don't have a DR problem with my old 5Dmki and the 6Dii has a stop more of DR.....if i have a prob its normly i have muffed the exposure up ...now a working pro that has to get the shot no matter what that may be different and need the safety net .....the photos from the 6Dii are some of the nicest i have ever see...a very nice look and colours

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There is no argument for FF vs APS-c (or m43) with shallow DOF..as it's a law of physics and a very subjective personal thing if you want to make use of the shallow DOF only FF can offer
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[Great Bustard]

Forgive me for asking. I know we'll find out in about a weeks time anyway.

However, I spent some time this morning going back and reading as much as I could about the 26mp sensor in the 6DII. Never having owned one, I didn't have any prior knowledge of what the scuttlebutt was when it came out.

Some posts here at DPR were excellent when it came to describing what the situation is/was without implying that the camera itself was/wasn't worth having or using.

So without rehashing all those older posts, I'm wondering: If the Base ISO DR is the same as the 6DII (no worse, but no better either), is that a deal-breaker?

Everybody that owns a 6Dii don't have a problem with IQ ...

...while I like it more than a little, I'd certainly like better performance. That doesn't mean that the 6D2 sensor sucks, of course, but it does mean that I'd certainly like more than what it offers.

if you are someone that likes lifting shadows 5 stops and or do HDR then the 6Dii sensor is not for you ....

It's more than merely that. You don't have to lift the full five stops to see a difference. Also, there's a difference at very high ISOs as well.

if you like normal shadows in you photos not lifted more that a couple of stops and you expose correctly then you will be fine ....i don't have a DR problem with my old 5Dmki and the 6Dii has a stop more of DR.....if i have a prob its normly i have muffed the exposure up ...now a working pro that has to get the shot no matter what that may be different and need the safety net .....the photos from the 6Dii are some of the nicest i have ever see...a very nice look and colours

To put it simply, if you can say that the 6D2 sensor is "good enough", then you can also say an APS-C sensor is "good enough". There's a reason to choose FF over APS-C, and there's a reason to want a better sensor than what's in the 6D2, especially given that the 6D2 sensor is the lowest performing sensor of all current FF sensors.

 

[Lawn Lends]

To put it simply, if you can say that the 6D2 sensor is "good enough", then you can also say an APS-C sensor is "good enough". There's a reason to choose FF over APS-C, and there's a reason to want a better sensor than what's in the 6D2, especially given that the 6D2 sensor is the lowest performing sensor of all current FF sensors.

Yeah, that was my thoughts on the 6D2. APS-C tech advanced after the 6D came out, but the FF tech didn't seem to advance that much between the 6D and the 6D2. Sure the 6D2 was better than the 6D, but not as much as it should have been. So the gap between APS-C and the 6D2 was pretty small -- of course you would still get the faster shutter speed and the wider focal lengths of the FF camera -- but technologically speaking the 6D2 didnt really make much sense if you had to choose between a similarly priced APS-C camera and the 6D2. And if you prefer longer focal lengths, the 6D2 made even less sense.

 

[Great Bustard]

To put it simply, if you can say that the 6D2 sensor is "good enough", then you can also say an APS-C sensor is "good enough". There's a reason to choose FF over APS-C, and there's a reason to want a better sensor than what's in the 6D2, especially given that the 6D2 sensor is the lowest performing sensor of all current FF sensors.

Yeah, that was my thoughts on the 6D2. APS-C tech advanced after the 6D came out, but the FF tech didn't seem to advance that much between the 6D and the 6D2. Sure the 6D2 was better than the 6D, but not as much as it should have been.

More specifically, the 6D2 is what the 6D "should have been". Canon seems to run a generation behind.

So the gap between APS-C and the 6D2 was pretty small -- of course you would still get the faster shutter speed and the wider focal lengths of the FF camera -- but technologically speaking the 6D2 didnt really make much sense if you had to choose between a similarly priced APS-C camera and the 6D2.

While the DR differential was nil (actually, even favoring APS-C a bit), the noise difference favored the 6D2 by the usual amount. Furthermore, for those that like shallow DOF photography, it kept that advantage as well. In terms of resolution, it still comes out on top, although not by much.

And if you prefer longer focal lengths, the 6D2 made even less sense.

Sure. However, for the $1280 (after tax, even) I got the 6D2 for, I really like it. I'll wait a while to see how FF mirrorless goes before going that way (unless there are killer deals next BF), because the RF lenses I want so badly will cost a huge amount that I just don't have, especially after having just purchased plane tickets for the family yesterday for our upcoming Japan trip. ;-)

 

[whakapu]

Yes that's a deal breaker for me. Camera makers have a great reason for trying to sell FF - more expensive bodies and lenses in a shrinking market. I have one reason to consider buying FF - slightly better image quality in some circumstances for subjects at no more than 300mm focal length.

If a FF sensor doesn't offer that it serves no purpose, and if for some other reason I was desperate for FF and willing to accept that sensor I'd just go with the 6DII and use some affordable lenses without an adapter.

Unless Canon is abandoning APS-C entirely then the next 7DIII, 90D, M5mk11 will close the gap further on that 6DII sensor and offer better overall value.

 

[maarensv]

Forgive me for asking. I know we'll find out in about a weeks time anyway.

However, I spent some time this morning going back and reading as much as I could about the 26mp sensor in the 6DII. Never having owned one, I didn't have any prior knowledge of what the scuttlebutt was when it came out.

Some posts here at DPR were excellent when it came to describing what the situation is/was without implying that the camera itself was/wasn't worth having or using.

So without rehashing all those older posts, I'm wondering: If the Base ISO DR is the same as the 6DII (no worse, but no better either), is that a deal-breaker?

Using both 6DII and A7RIII I have learned that higher DR is an added value, but not everything. At least 90% of the pics made with the Sony could have been made with the Canon. Only in extreme situations the difference shows (in either pix count and DR). As a tool I prefer the Canon due to the fact that it excels in nothing but has no real points either, just a wonderfully weighted tool.

So on one hand the lower DR should not hold me back from getting an RP.

On the other hand, I find it a missed chance if Canon uses the low DR sensor of the 6DII.

 

[KEG]

So wouldn't we be just better off with X-T3?

Forgive me for asking. I know we'll find out in about a weeks time anyway.

However, I spent some time this morning going back and reading as much as I could about the 26mp sensor in the 6DII. Never having owned one, I didn't have any prior knowledge of what the scuttlebutt was when it came out.

Some posts here at DPR were excellent when it came to describing what the situation is/was without implying that the camera itself was/wasn't worth having or using.

So without rehashing all those older posts, I'm wondering: If the Base ISO DR is the same as the 6DII (no worse, but no better either), is that a deal-breaker

Everybody that owns a 6Dii don't have a problem with IQ ...only reviewers do....... if you are someone that likes lifting shadows 5 stops and or do HDR then the 6Dii sensor is not for you ....if you like normal shadows in you photos not lifted more that a couple of stops and you expose correctly then you will be fine ....i don't have a DR problem with my old 5Dmki and the 6Dii has a stop more of DR.....if i have a prob its normly i have muffed the exposure up ...now a working pro that has to get the shot no matter what that may be different and need the safety net .....the photos from the 6Dii are some of the nicest i have ever see...a very nice look and colours

 

[Hoka Hey]

I think that you will find that the 6D2 sensor is one of the preferred sensors by many Astro photographers, and they may be the most demanding group for sensor performance.

Joe

 

[maarensv]

I think that you will find that the 6D2 sensor is one of the preferred sensors by many Astro photographers, and they may be the most demanding group for sensor performance.

Joe

I don't think the 6DII is bad, but what is wrong by having more DR ?

 

[davev8]

To put it simply, if you can say that the 6D2 sensor is "good enough", then you can also say an APS-C sensor is "good enough". There's a reason to choose FF over APS-C, and there's a reason to want a better sensor than what's in the 6D2, especially given that the 6D2 sensor is the lowest performing sensor of all current FF sensors.

Yeah, that was my thoughts on the 6D2. APS-C tech advanced after the 6D came out, but the FF tech didn't seem to advance that much between the 6D and the 6D2. Sure the 6D2 was better than the 6D, but not as much as it should have been. So the gap between APS-C and the 6D2 was pretty small --

well i disagree with you on the gap between the 6Dii sensor and APS-c ...well partly anway...the problem is folk only compare DR as an IQ measure as thats the metric that reviewers constantly bash. and yes it . about 1.3 stops behind a 80D.....but that is not the only metric that affects IQ and probably not the most important one ...ISO....at base ISO the canon APS-c sensor is 1 stop behind the 6Dii ...at higher ISO its about 1 and a1/3 stop this will clearly affect IQ and i think you will find most photographer run out of light far more often than running out of DR ..more photos are compromised by high ISO than lack of DR ...also the very nature of FF the 6Dii sensor will resolve more detail with the same lens than an APS-c body

in the test scene you can clearly see that the difference is not pretty small ...as i would expect



Evan 2 stops more thay 6Dii looks as good or better

of course you would still get the faster shutter speed and the wider focal lengths of the FF camera -- but technologically speaking the 6D2 didnt really make much sense if you had to choose between a similarly priced APS-C camera and the 6D2. And if you prefer longer focal lengths, the 6D2 made even less sense.

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Attention Dislexsic i mean dyslexic person... This post will have many although spell checked, spelling and grammatical errs ..its The best its going get so no need to tell me its bad i know it is .....................................................................................................
My 5D IS a MK1 classic
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There is no argument for FF vs APS-c (or m43) with shallow DOF..as it's a law of physics and a very subjective personal thing if you want to make use of the shallow DOF only FF can offer
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Political correctness....somebody being offended on someone else's behalf....who that someone doesn't give a damn in the first place ....David Appleton
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quoting irrefutable facts may get you branded a racist ..even if no race is involved .......David Appleton
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The word ‘racism’ is like ketchup. It can be put on practically anything — and demanding evidence makes you a ‘racist.’”........Thomas Sowell

 

[Kent Ekasak]

I am a non-Canon shooter, interested in RP and don't have 6D2, but read some reviews say that the sensor performance (DR ISO) is on par or even worse than new Canon's APSC (like M50).. If I look at other reviewers, who even test different camera sensor format and conclude that DR of Canon M50 is even worse than m43's newer 20mp sensor (G9), and worse than Sony's APSC (A6500).. Does anyone find the same conclusion?

I really looking for camera which give me somewhat clean images at ISO 10,000.. Is that possible with 6D2 sensor?…

Thank you in advance for your advise..

 

[davev8]

So wouldn't we be just better off with X-T3?

No been there done that got the T shirt i cannot live with the X-trans ...rather have a 10 year old canon sensor ........ if fuji had a Bayer sensor i would have probably be all fuji for the last couple of years

Forgive me for asking. I know we'll find out in about a weeks time anyway.

However, I spent some time this morning going back and reading as much as I could about the 26mp sensor in the 6DII. Never having owned one, I didn't have any prior knowledge of what the scuttlebutt was when it came out.

Some posts here at DPR were excellent when it came to describing what the situation is/was without implying that the camera itself was/wasn't worth having or using.

So without rehashing all those older posts, I'm wondering: If the Base ISO DR is the same as the 6DII (no worse, but no better either), is that a deal-breaker

Everybody that owns a 6Dii don't have a problem with IQ ...only reviewers do....... if you are someone that likes lifting shadows 5 stops and or do HDR then the 6Dii sensor is not for you ....if you like normal shadows in you photos not lifted more that a couple of stops and you expose correctly then you will be fine ....i don't have a DR problem with my old 5Dmki and the 6Dii has a stop more of DR.....if i have a prob its normly i have muffed the exposure up ...now a working pro that has to get the shot no matter what that may be different and need the safety net .....the photos from the 6Dii are some of the nicest i have ever see...a very nice look and colours

 

[The Fat Fish]

If it isn't and it matches the likes of the A7III, Z6 and S1 I'll be very happy. Although the 4K video will almost certainly be terrible, I'd consider it for £1300.

If it is, it'll be another hugely disappointing release.

Just my take.

 

[Ebrahim Saadawi]

Forgive me for asking. I know we'll find out in about a weeks time anyway.

However, I spent some time this morning going back and reading as much as I could about the 26mp sensor in the 6DII. Never having owned one, I didn't have any prior knowledge of what the scuttlebutt was when it came out.

Some posts here at DPR were excellent when it came to describing what the situation is/was without implying that the camera itself was/wasn't worth having or using.

So without rehashing all those older posts, I'm wondering: If the Base ISO DR is the same as the 6DII (no worse, but no better either), is that a deal-breaker?

Everybody that owns a 6Dii don't have a problem with IQ ...

...while I like it more than a little, I'd certainly like better performance. That doesn't mean that the 6D2 sensor sucks, of course, but it does mean that I'd certainly like more than what it offers.

if you are someone that likes lifting shadows 5 stops and or do HDR then the 6Dii sensor is not for you ....

It's more than merely that. You don't have to lift the full five stops to see a difference. Also, there's a difference at very high ISOs as well.

if you like normal shadows in you photos not lifted more that a couple of stops and you expose correctly then you will be fine ....i don't have a DR problem with my old 5Dmki and the 6Dii has a stop more of DR.....if i have a prob its normly i have muffed the exposure up ...now a working pro that has to get the shot no matter what that may be different and need the safety net .....the photos from the 6Dii are some of the nicest i have ever see...a very nice look and colours

To put it simply, if you can say that the 6D2 sensor is "good enough", then you can also say an APS-C sensor is "good enough". There's a reason to choose FF over APS-C, and there's a reason to want a better sensor than what's in the 6D2, especially given that the 6D2 sensor is the lowest performing sensor of all current FF sensors.

FF value is not just DR. I am pretty sure you already know that though