We will end up in jail!!!

[José Luís Malaquias]

There is one argument that all the doomsayers out there still haven't thought of.
Running the hack is a violation of the DMCA.

Hacking a product to enable features that were purposedly disables is a crime. Even if you commit it outside the US, and never intend to go there in your life.

A russian programmer was once arrested because while in Moscow he circunvented a sloppy copy protection scheme by Adobe.

Don't you love it that Uncle Sam feels free to legislate on what we foreigners can do in our own country?

I think we should deserve to vote for the US government, since we are under its laws. At least I know someone who would never get a second term.

--
http://www.malaquias.net/en/joseluis/

 

[Tommy_T]

to be exact, not only running the hack, but even posting an address where the hack can be obtained (eg in this forum) is a violation of the DMCA.

DPreview violates the DMCA as well, so Phil, your next trip to the States may end up in jail, how funny would that be!

PS the russian programmer was stupid enough to go to the so-called "hackers conference" in las vegas, which is attended by more federal agents than people who have anything to do with computers

There is one argument that all the doomsayers out there still
haven't thought of.
Running the hack is a violation of the DMCA.
Hacking a product to enable features that were purposedly disables
is a crime. Even if you commit it outside the US, and never intend
to go there in your life.
A russian programmer was once arrested because while in Moscow he
circunvented a sloppy copy protection scheme by Adobe.

Don't you love it that Uncle Sam feels free to legislate on what we
foreigners can do in our own country?

I think we should deserve to vote for the US government, since we
are under its laws. At least I know someone who would never get a
second term.

--
http://www.malaquias.net/en/joseluis/

 

[wooffy]

A russian programmer was once arrested because while in Moscow he
circunvented a sloppy copy protection scheme by Adobe.

Don't you love it that Uncle Sam feels free to legislate on what we
foreigners can do in our own country?

Simple solution: don't visit the US. They've already shown they won't respect your passport and will deport you to any country they wish to. My lover is planning a trip, and he made of point of booking a flight with no change-over in the US. According to his travel agent many people request that now.

Yes, installing hacked firmware is a violation of DMCA. Yes, it voids the warranty. Yes, there is a slight chance it may cause problems in the future. In reality there is very little to fear, and the extra 10 or so RAW files on a memory card are well worth it to me.

--
http://www.patcroteau.com

 

[jchristopher]

Not true. The DMCA anti-circumvention provision applies to "breaking encryption to circumvent copy-protection" (paraphrasing). This is neither.

It could, however, be considered a violation of "traditional" copyright law, in that the author of the modified firmware does not have permission to distribute Canon's work. But this has nothing to do with DMCA.

There is one argument that all the doomsayers out there still
haven't thought of.
Running the hack is a violation of the DMCA.

 

[Karl Palsson]

A russian programmer was once arrested because while in Moscow he
circunvented a sloppy copy protection scheme by Adobe.

And was aquitted.

http://news.com.com/2100-1023-978176.html

the dmca sucks.

 

[Daniella68313]

fine...now they can put the full planet in prison...who does not have an illegal somethign somewhere?

There is one argument that all the doomsayers out there still
haven't thought of.
Running the hack is a violation of the DMCA.
Hacking a product to enable features that were purposedly disables
is a crime. Even if you commit it outside the US, and never intend
to go there in your life.
A russian programmer was once arrested because while in Moscow he
circunvented a sloppy copy protection scheme by Adobe.

Don't you love it that Uncle Sam feels free to legislate on what we
foreigners can do in our own country?

I think we should deserve to vote for the US government, since we
are under its laws. At least I know someone who would never get a
second term.

--
http://www.malaquias.net/en/joseluis/

--
I am not an English native speaker!
Please email me at [email protected] for questions
http://www.pbase.com/zylen
http://www.photosig.com/go/users/userphotos?id=26918

 

[Daniella68313]

yooo..USA is a great country! I just love that country...would renonce my canadian citizenship anytime to become american citizen...

A russian programmer was once arrested because while in Moscow he
circunvented a sloppy copy protection scheme by Adobe.

Don't you love it that Uncle Sam feels free to legislate on what we
foreigners can do in our own country?

Simple solution: don't visit the US. They've already shown they
won't respect your passport and will deport you to any country they
wish to. My lover is planning a trip, and he made of point of
booking a flight with no change-over in the US. According to his
travel agent many people request that now.

Yes, installing hacked firmware is a violation of DMCA. Yes, it
voids the warranty. Yes, there is a slight chance it may cause
problems in the future. In reality there is very little to fear,
and the extra 10 or so RAW files on a memory card are well worth it
to me.

--
http://www.patcroteau.com

--
I am not an English native speaker!
Please email me at [email protected] for questions
http://www.pbase.com/zylen
http://www.photosig.com/go/users/userphotos?id=26918

 

[José Luís Malaquias]

Not saying it isn't a great country.
I lived there, and i love it.

I just can't stand the arrogance of approving a law in which a foreign national can be convicted for doing something in his own country which is legal under the laws of his country.
This is imperialism pure and simple.

I love the US, and I love most americans I met. But I do think the politics stink. But then again, so do most americans who don't even dignify them with their vote.

A russian programmer was once arrested because while in Moscow he
circunvented a sloppy copy protection scheme by Adobe.

Don't you love it that Uncle Sam feels free to legislate on what we
foreigners can do in our own country?

Simple solution: don't visit the US. They've already shown they
won't respect your passport and will deport you to any country they
wish to. My lover is planning a trip, and he made of point of
booking a flight with no change-over in the US. According to his
travel agent many people request that now.

Yes, installing hacked firmware is a violation of DMCA. Yes, it
voids the warranty. Yes, there is a slight chance it may cause
problems in the future. In reality there is very little to fear,
and the extra 10 or so RAW files on a memory card are well worth it
to me.

--
http://www.patcroteau.com

--
I am not an English native speaker!
Please email me at [email protected] for questions
http://www.pbase.com/zylen
http://www.photosig.com/go/users/userphotos?id=26918

--
http://www.malaquias.net/en/joseluis/

 

[José Luís Malaquias]

Careful.
Echelon is listening... LOL

You may be woken up in the middle of the night by a swat team that is out to get all the Canon hackers...

There is one argument that all the doomsayers out there still
haven't thought of.
Running the hack is a violation of the DMCA.
Hacking a product to enable features that were purposedly disables
is a crime. Even if you commit it outside the US, and never intend
to go there in your life.
A russian programmer was once arrested because while in Moscow he
circunvented a sloppy copy protection scheme by Adobe.

Don't you love it that Uncle Sam feels free to legislate on what we
foreigners can do in our own country?

I think we should deserve to vote for the US government, since we
are under its laws. At least I know someone who would never get a
second term.

--
http://www.malaquias.net/en/joseluis/

--
I am not an English native speaker!
Please email me at [email protected] for questions
http://www.pbase.com/zylen
http://www.photosig.com/go/users/userphotos?id=26918

--
http://www.malaquias.net/en/joseluis/

 

[salspalden]

A russian programmer was once arrested because while in Moscow he
circunvented a sloppy copy protection scheme by Adobe.

Don't you love it that Uncle Sam feels free to legislate on what we
foreigners can do in our own country?

Simple solution: don't visit the US. They've already shown they
won't respect your passport and will deport you to any country they
wish to. My lover is planning a trip, and he made of point of
booking a flight with no change-over in the US. According to his
travel agent many people request that now.

Yep, that's us. You have us pegged. Capitalist Imperialist pig-dogs.

As a nation, we're used to being hated.

We really don't care.

Know why?

Cause we have all the power and money.

Know why?

Cause we're Capitalist Imperialist pig-dogs.

Haven't you been paying attention?

--
Sals...



You Talkin' To Me ?

 

[Michael Entin]

Not saying it isn't a great country.
I lived there, and i love it.
I just can't stand the arrogance of approving a law in which a
foreign national can be convicted for doing something in his own
country which is legal under the laws of his country.

Every country does this. Do you think Saddam or Miloshevich or
Hitler should not be liable for their doings, because what they did
was legal in their country?

Not that like DMCA, it really sucks.

This is imperialism pure and simple.

The U.S. just apply this common principle to redicuolous laws,
like DMCA.

I love the US, and I love most americans I met. But I do think the
politics stink.

Yes, sometimes it is.

 

[José Luís Malaquias]

Most Americans I know are not aware of the facts that cause them to be hated. So, I don't think they are too blame. If anything they should pay more attention to what their politicians do, but that is not a crime in my book.

I, for one, don't hate you, and I love visiting your country, living and working with you.

Still, I think the DMCA is arrogant and imperialist, and I know many Americans who agree with me on this. In fact, I think most Americans hate that law, and it was voted by cheer lobby pressure. I wonder if it would ever get 10% approval in a nation-wide referendum.

Now, if you take the position that you have the money and the power and so you can do whatever you want, then you WILL attract hatred. And you may find yourself in trouble when you see that you can't foot the bill on your own cause you're not as rich as you thought, and you have to go ask other people to help you get out of the mess you got yourselves into.

But, again, I don't think most Americans share that view. Most Americans are reasonable people. Like most Europeans. It's just that the hot heads scream louder.

In fact, most Americans didn't vote for this President.

Yep, that's us. You have us pegged. Capitalist Imperialist pig-dogs.

As a nation, we're used to being hated.

We really don't care.

Know why?

Cause we have all the power and money.

Know why?

Cause we're Capitalist Imperialist pig-dogs.

Haven't you been paying attention?

--
Sals...



You Talkin' To Me ?

--
http://www.malaquias.net/en/joseluis/

 

[José Luís Malaquias]

In the case of Hitler, Saddam, or Milosevic, we are talking about crimes against humanity. Every UN member country has outlawed those, and so it qualifies as a serious international crime. Circunventing a system is not a crime in any other country that I know of. So, arresting a person for something he did in his own country, under the laws of his own country is simply abusive.

Not saying it isn't a great country.
I lived there, and i love it.
I just can't stand the arrogance of approving a law in which a
foreign national can be convicted for doing something in his own
country which is legal under the laws of his country.

Every country does this. Do you think Saddam or Miloshevich or
Hitler should not be liable for their doings, because what they did
was legal in their country?

Not that like DMCA, it really sucks.

This is imperialism pure and simple.

The U.S. just apply this common principle to redicuolous laws,
like DMCA.

I love the US, and I love most americans I met. But I do think the
politics stink.

Yes, sometimes it is.

--
http://www.malaquias.net/en/joseluis/

 

[salspalden]

It was tongue in cheek Jose.....maybe I should have inserted a smiley.

And as far as having to ask other nations for help to get out of the mess we might get ourselves into....we already have plenty of wine.

But thanks for the offer.

( another joke)

I, for one, don't hate you, and I love visiting your country,
living and working with you.

Still, I think the DMCA is arrogant and imperialist, and I know
many Americans who agree with me on this. In fact, I think most
Americans hate that law, and it was voted by cheer lobby pressure.
I wonder if it would ever get 10% approval in a nation-wide
referendum.

Now, if you take the position that you have the money and the power
and so you can do whatever you want, then you WILL attract hatred.
And you may find yourself in trouble when you see that you can't
foot the bill on your own cause you're not as rich as you thought,
and you have to go ask other people to help you get out of the mess
you got yourselves into.

But, again, I don't think most Americans share that view. Most
Americans are reasonable people. Like most Europeans. It's just
that the hot heads scream louder.

In fact, most Americans didn't vote for this President.

Yep, that's us. You have us pegged. Capitalist Imperialist pig-dogs.

As a nation, we're used to being hated.

We really don't care.

Know why?

Cause we have all the power and money.

Know why?

Cause we're Capitalist Imperialist pig-dogs.

Haven't you been paying attention?

--
Sals...



You Talkin' To Me ?

--
http://www.malaquias.net/en/joseluis/

--
Sals...



You Talkin' To Me ?

 

[PHGN]

One point - don't know this law enough to judge if it helps - but when you download updated firmware you agree to a license that prohibits various things. When you buy the camera you don't. IE if you can figure out a way to copy the firmware off the camera (which is really quite easy) then there's nothing by way of license to restrict your options. But this law may be in addition to the licenses.

As to the law, if America wants it they can have it. If you don't like it then don't go there. Unless your a citizen you have no right to complain. It's not your country, you'd be a guest, and you don't have to go.

If you are a citizen then if the law violates the Constitution, Bill of Rights, other laws, then the law is illegal and thus doesn't stand. But it was passed so I guess that it's legal, at least in the eyes of the judicial branch. As a citizen you do have the right to vote, and all the other rights.

--
Peter Nordberg

You look at the photos, not the camera: we take the photos, not the
camera.

 

[ChrisCam]

DMCA prohibits bypassing an access protection to access a copyrighted work. I don't see any access protection in the firmware that is being bypassed here.

On the other hand Canon has an implicit Copyright in their firmware. Modifying it and redistributing it is creating a derivitave work and redistributing it. This is illegal under normal copyright law.

I don't remember a Canon license agreement when I downloaded a firmware image but there must have been one. Reverse engineering the firmware is likely breaking the license agreement. It is unclear to me whether this is enforceable in Russia.

To stay on the right side of the law the original Russian firmware modifier should be distributing instructions on how to hack the firmware. Individuals can then modify their own version of the software.

-Chris

 

[Michael Friedman]

Fine by me!

-Michael

I think we should deserve to vote for the US government, since we
are under its laws. At least I know someone who would never get a
second term.

 

[José Luís Malaquias]

I kinda knew it was.

But since I get to hear that quite a lot, I took the chance to say where I stand.

As for the wine, let me know about californian Port wine after you tasted the REAL Port wine

And as far as having to ask other nations for help to get out of
the mess we might get ourselves into....we already have plenty of
wine.

But thanks for the offer.

( another joke)

I, for one, don't hate you, and I love visiting your country,
living and working with you.

Still, I think the DMCA is arrogant and imperialist, and I know
many Americans who agree with me on this. In fact, I think most
Americans hate that law, and it was voted by cheer lobby pressure.
I wonder if it would ever get 10% approval in a nation-wide
referendum.

Now, if you take the position that you have the money and the power
and so you can do whatever you want, then you WILL attract hatred.
And you may find yourself in trouble when you see that you can't
foot the bill on your own cause you're not as rich as you thought,
and you have to go ask other people to help you get out of the mess
you got yourselves into.

But, again, I don't think most Americans share that view. Most
Americans are reasonable people. Like most Europeans. It's just
that the hot heads scream louder.

In fact, most Americans didn't vote for this President.

Yep, that's us. You have us pegged. Capitalist Imperialist pig-dogs.

As a nation, we're used to being hated.

We really don't care.

Know why?

Cause we have all the power and money.

Know why?

Cause we're Capitalist Imperialist pig-dogs.

Haven't you been paying attention?

--
Sals...



You Talkin' To Me ?

--
http://www.malaquias.net/en/joseluis/

--
Sals...



You Talkin' To Me ?

--
http://www.malaquias.net/en/joseluis/

 

[Jun2]

A lot of people already voted with their money. Buy Euro and Sell dollar. US dollar has already Drop about 20% during the last year. I feel bad for American. The good cheese and wine already cost a lot more. Oil is more expensive in dollar. I am living in New York City. It is best city in the world because it tolerate all kinds people and culture. British imperilism ended somewhere in last century. The history has taught us no country can control the world in long period of time. I hope US goverment can change its militant way of doing things. In theory, Democracy is not just to Americans. Everybody is equal. Every country is equal. In reality, if somebody has power. He or she always like to boss people around. That is sad part of it.

I hate it when US goverment and Brithish Goverment always appear they are morally right even if they are wrong. Brithish invade China becasue they can not sell opiate there. Can you believe it.

Jun

I, for one, don't hate you, and I love visiting your country,
living and working with you.

Still, I think the DMCA is arrogant and imperialist, and I know
many Americans who agree with me on this. In fact, I think most
Americans hate that law, and it was voted by cheer lobby pressure.
I wonder if it would ever get 10% approval in a nation-wide
referendum.

Now, if you take the position that you have the money and the power
and so you can do whatever you want, then you WILL attract hatred.
And you may find yourself in trouble when you see that you can't
foot the bill on your own cause you're not as rich as you thought,
and you have to go ask other people to help you get out of the mess
you got yourselves into.

But, again, I don't think most Americans share that view. Most
Americans are reasonable people. Like most Europeans. It's just
that the hot heads scream louder.

In fact, most Americans didn't vote for this President.

Yep, that's us. You have us pegged. Capitalist Imperialist pig-dogs.

As a nation, we're used to being hated.

We really don't care.

Know why?

Cause we have all the power and money.

Know why?

Cause we're Capitalist Imperialist pig-dogs.

Haven't you been paying attention?

--
Sals...



You Talkin' To Me ?

--
http://www.malaquias.net/en/joseluis/

 

[José Luís Malaquias]

Not entirely true.

The US tried to pressure Norway into charging the guy who created DeCSS in Norway when he was 14. They even tried to have him extradited.

So, even if this guy never wished to travel to the US, he got himself and his family in a lot of trouble because of a law that his parents didn't have any say into. Again, he didn't break any of his country's laws.

The problem is that this law may be in accordance to your constitution, but I doubt it is in accordance to international law.

One point - don't know this law enough to judge if it helps - but
when you download updated firmware you agree to a license that
prohibits various things. When you buy the camera you don't. IE if
you can figure out a way to copy the firmware off the camera (which
is really quite easy) then there's nothing by way of license to
restrict your options. But this law may be in addition to the
licenses.

As to the law, if America wants it they can have it. If you don't
like it then don't go there. Unless your a citizen you have no
right to complain. It's not your country, you'd be a guest, and you
don't have to go.

If you are a citizen then if the law violates the Constitution,
Bill of Rights, other laws, then the law is illegal and thus
doesn't stand. But it was passed so I guess that it's legal, at
least in the eyes of the judicial branch. As a citizen you do have
the right to vote, and all the other rights.

--
Peter Nordberg

You look at the photos, not the camera: we take the photos, not the
camera.

--
http://www.malaquias.net/en/joseluis/