Upgrading to the R3 in 2024

[Leonil]

Hi all

Been looking to finally upgrade my gear from the 7D and the 5D3 after my shutter in the 5D3 "exploded" and put a few slices into the sensor. So the repair would just be too expensive but I could use this as an excuse to upgrade.

Been shooting a lot of sports lately and want to move into the R3 and take advantage of the electronic shutter. I've looked at some sample images and didn't really notice much rolling shutter (which is important to me) as I often shoot indoor soccer and volleyball. Anyone find the rolling shutter to be noticeable in these scenarios? What sports do you see the most rolling shutter effect, like golf swings or martial arts?

Also, is it worth upgrading to the R3 now, as I'm looking to upgrade in April as I still need a FF camera for weddings too. Or is it worth it wait for the R52? I don't need the megapixels honestly. I've shot at 18/20 MP for over a decade and never really felt like I needed more. I mean, is 45MP worth it for the hard drive space, buffer duration and the lower ISO performance?

 

[Ephemeris]

Hi all

Been looking to finally upgrade my gear from the 7D and the 5D3 after my shutter in the 5D3 "exploded" and put a few slices into the sensor. So the repair would just be too expensive but I could use this as an excuse to upgrade.

Been shooting a lot of sports lately and want to move into the R3 and take advantage of the electronic shutter. I've looked at some sample images and didn't really notice much rolling shutter (which is important to me) as I often shoot indoor soccer and volleyball. Anyone find the rolling shutter to be noticeable in these scenarios? What sports do you see the most rolling shutter effect, like golf swings or martial arts?

Also, is it worth upgrading to the R3 now, as I'm looking to upgrade in April as I still need a FF camera for weddings too. Or is it worth it wait for the R52? I don't need the megapixels honestly. I've shot at 18/20 MP for over a decade and never really felt like I needed more. I mean, is 45MP worth it for the hard drive space, buffer duration and the lower ISO performance?

Regarding rolling shutter a database is being created over in the forum Photographic Science and Technology.

It shows the readout time for many cameras, in many different modes. There are many different readout times for a single camera (not one fixed number)

 

[Leonil]

Regarding rolling shutter a database is being created over in the forum Photographic Science and Technology.

It shows the readout time for many cameras, in many different modes. There are many different readout times for a single camera (not one fixed number)

Wow, I did not know there is a database I could look at. Will google it and see what kind of information is useful to me. Thankyou!

 

[Ephemeris]

Regarding rolling shutter a database is being created over in the forum Photographic Science and Technology.

It shows the readout time for many cameras, in many different modes. There are many different readout times for a single camera (not one fixed number)

Wow, I did not know there is a database I could look at. Will google it and see what kind of information is useful to me. Thankyou!

You can find the group here :

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/1061

The author of the posts and database creator is Horshack.

 

[Zeee]

Direct link

https://horshack-dpreview.github.io/RollingShutter/

 

[Ephemeris]

Direct link

https://horshack-dpreview.github.io/RollingShutter/

For clarity that's not a link to the forum, or the forum posts.

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[Zeee]

Direct link

https://horshack-dpreview.github.io/RollingShutter/

For clarity that's not a link to the forum, or the forum posts.

Yes it is not. I just book marked it so I can avoid going to sites that are discussing this. Thought I'd throw that in.

Duade Paton had charts in his videos which were rough guesses. He was pretty close. Not really guesses but you know what I mean.



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[Sittatunga]

Hi all

Been looking to finally upgrade my gear from the 7D and the 5D3 after my shutter in the 5D3 "exploded" and put a few slices into the sensor. So the repair would just be too expensive but I could use this as an excuse to upgrade.

Been shooting a lot of sports lately and want to move into the R3 and take advantage of the electronic shutter. I've looked at some sample images and didn't really notice much rolling shutter (which is important to me) as I often shoot indoor soccer and volleyball. Anyone find the rolling shutter to be noticeable in these scenarios? What sports do you see the most rolling shutter effect, like golf swings or martial arts?

Rolling shutter is only more of a thing with silent shutter. With normal two-curtain or with EFCS the curtains move as fast or faster than they did on your DSLRs. The R3 silent shutter takes something like 1/180th of a second to scan down the sensor, which is comparable with a physical focal plane shutter, unlike the 1/12th or so that my EOS R's silent shutter takes.

I can understand why you would want completely silent operation for snooker, but mirrorless EFCS has fewer clicks per shot than a DSLR going off and I'd have thought the player and crowd noise would have covered it up for indoor football and volleyball. With my EOS R's slow silent shutter, banding from cheap, powerful LED lighting flashing at mains frequency would be more upsetting to me than leaning backgrounds due to panning.

Also, is it worth upgrading to the R3 now, as I'm looking to upgrade in April as I still need a FF camera for weddings too. Or is it worth it wait for the R52? I don't need the megapixels honestly. I've shot at 18/20 MP for over a decade and never really felt like I needed more. I mean, is 45MP worth it for the hard drive space, buffer duration and the lower ISO performance?

An R5 II would be due in mid-2035 if Canon were to follow their 5D series update schedule with the R5 series. It's not been announced yet and there are sure to be difficulties getting it quickly on its release due to pent-up demand. You can't really afford to wait for one with the spring wedding season already started.

 

[Zeee]

Hi all

Been looking to finally upgrade my gear from the 7D and the 5D3 after my shutter in the 5D3 "exploded" and put a few slices into the sensor. So the repair would just be too expensive but I could use this as an excuse to upgrade.

Been shooting a lot of sports lately and want to move into the R3 and take advantage of the electronic shutter. I've looked at some sample images and didn't really notice much rolling shutter (which is important to me) as I often shoot indoor soccer and volleyball. Anyone find the rolling shutter to be noticeable in these scenarios? What sports do you see the most rolling shutter effect, like golf swings or martial arts?

Rolling shutter is only more of a thing with silent shutter. With normal two-curtain or with EFCS the curtains move as fast or faster than they did on your DSLRs. The R3 silent shutter takes something like 1/180th of a second to scan down the sensor, which is comparable with a physical focal plane shutter, unlike the 1/12th or so that my EOS R's silent shutter takes.

I can understand why you would want completely silent operation for snooker, but mirrorless EFCS has fewer clicks per shot than a DSLR going off and I'd have thought the player and crowd noise would have covered it up for indoor football and volleyball. With my EOS R's slow silent shutter, banding from cheap, powerful LED lighting flashing at mains frequency would be more upsetting to me than leaning backgrounds due to panning.

Also, is it worth upgrading to the R3 now, as I'm looking to upgrade in April as I still need a FF camera for weddings too. Or is it worth it wait for the R52? I don't need the megapixels honestly. I've shot at 18/20 MP for over a decade and never really felt like I needed more. I mean, is 45MP worth it for the hard drive space, buffer duration and the lower ISO performance?

An R5 II would be due in mid-2035 if Canon were to follow their 5D series update schedule with the R5 series. It's not been announced yet and there are sure to be difficulties getting it quickly on its release due to pent-up demand. You can't really afford to wait for one with the spring wedding season already started.

I think by 2035 I'll be wearing depends and drooling a lot. I hope it's sooner.

 

[Zeee]

Hi all

Been looking to finally upgrade my gear from the 7D and the 5D3 after my shutter in the 5D3 "exploded" and put a few slices into the sensor. So the repair would just be too expensive but I could use this as an excuse to upgrade.

Been shooting a lot of sports lately and want to move into the R3 and take advantage of the electronic shutter. I've looked at some sample images and didn't really notice much rolling shutter (which is important to me) as I often shoot indoor soccer and volleyball. Anyone find the rolling shutter to be noticeable in these scenarios? What sports do you see the most rolling shutter effect, like golf swings or martial arts?

Also, is it worth upgrading to the R3 now, as I'm looking to upgrade in April as I still need a FF camera for weddings too. Or is it worth it wait for the R52? I don't need the megapixels honestly. I've shot at 18/20 MP for over a decade and never really felt like I needed more. I mean, is 45MP worth it for the hard drive space, buffer duration and the lower ISO performance?

I had the R5 and while the extra megapixels were nice and obviously great for cropping but I have no issues with a lower megapixel sensor. Shooting sports means a lot of files. If I shot sporting events I'd prefer smaller less.

I sold the R5 and got an R7 and R6II. If you need a FF for weddings take a look at the R6II. This is not related to weddings but an interesting video.

R6II is not immune to rolling shutter so there is the dilemma.



R3 is not on this list yet.

https://horshack-dpreview.github.io/RollingShutter/

As for cropping the R6II holds its own.





I don't do a lot of sports but I had about a 90% keeper rate with the R6II using EFCS. Did this shoot as a favour for a friend.









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You just need to keep the forests wet

 

[Sittatunga]

Hi all

Been looking to finally upgrade my gear from the 7D and the 5D3 after my shutter in the 5D3 "exploded" and put a few slices into the sensor. So the repair would just be too expensive but I could use this as an excuse to upgrade.

Been shooting a lot of sports lately and want to move into the R3 and take advantage of the electronic shutter. I've looked at some sample images and didn't really notice much rolling shutter (which is important to me) as I often shoot indoor soccer and volleyball. Anyone find the rolling shutter to be noticeable in these scenarios? What sports do you see the most rolling shutter effect, like golf swings or martial arts?

Rolling shutter is only more of a thing with silent shutter. With normal two-curtain or with EFCS the curtains move as fast or faster than they did on your DSLRs. The R3 silent shutter takes something like 1/180th of a second to scan down the sensor, which is comparable with a physical focal plane shutter, unlike the 1/12th or so that my EOS R's silent shutter takes.

I can understand why you would want completely silent operation for snooker, but mirrorless EFCS has fewer clicks per shot than a DSLR going off and I'd have thought the player and crowd noise would have covered it up for indoor football and volleyball. With my EOS R's slow silent shutter, banding from cheap, powerful LED lighting flashing at mains frequency would be more upsetting to me than leaning backgrounds due to panning.

Also, is it worth upgrading to the R3 now, as I'm looking to upgrade in April as I still need a FF camera for weddings too. Or is it worth it wait for the R52? I don't need the megapixels honestly. I've shot at 18/20 MP for over a decade and never really felt like I needed more. I mean, is 45MP worth it for the hard drive space, buffer duration and the lower ISO performance?

An R5 II would be due in mid-2035 if Canon were to follow their 5D series update schedule with the R5 series. It's not been announced yet and there are sure to be difficulties getting it quickly on its release due to pent-up demand. You can't really afford to wait for one with the spring wedding season already started.

I think by 2035 I'll be wearing depends and drooling a lot. I hope it's sooner.

 

[Zeee]

Hi all

Been looking to finally upgrade my gear from the 7D and the 5D3 after my shutter in the 5D3 "exploded" and put a few slices into the sensor. So the repair would just be too expensive but I could use this as an excuse to upgrade.

Been shooting a lot of sports lately and want to move into the R3 and take advantage of the electronic shutter. I've looked at some sample images and didn't really notice much rolling shutter (which is important to me) as I often shoot indoor soccer and volleyball. Anyone find the rolling shutter to be noticeable in these scenarios? What sports do you see the most rolling shutter effect, like golf swings or martial arts?

Rolling shutter is only more of a thing with silent shutter. With normal two-curtain or with EFCS the curtains move as fast or faster than they did on your DSLRs. The R3 silent shutter takes something like 1/180th of a second to scan down the sensor, which is comparable with a physical focal plane shutter, unlike the 1/12th or so that my EOS R's silent shutter takes.

I can understand why you would want completely silent operation for snooker, but mirrorless EFCS has fewer clicks per shot than a DSLR going off and I'd have thought the player and crowd noise would have covered it up for indoor football and volleyball. With my EOS R's slow silent shutter, banding from cheap, powerful LED lighting flashing at mains frequency would be more upsetting to me than leaning backgrounds due to panning.

Also, is it worth upgrading to the R3 now, as I'm looking to upgrade in April as I still need a FF camera for weddings too. Or is it worth it wait for the R52? I don't need the megapixels honestly. I've shot at 18/20 MP for over a decade and never really felt like I needed more. I mean, is 45MP worth it for the hard drive space, buffer duration and the lower ISO performance?

An R5 II would be due in mid-2035 if Canon were to follow their 5D series update schedule with the R5 series. It's not been announced yet and there are sure to be difficulties getting it quickly on its release due to pent-up demand. You can't really afford to wait for one with the spring wedding season already started.

I think by 2035 I'll be wearing depends and drooling a lot. I hope it's sooner.

Slip of the finger, I meant 2025.

I know. I excel in that area.

 

[Sittatunga]

Hi all

Been looking to finally upgrade my gear from the 7D and the 5D3 after my shutter in the 5D3 "exploded" and put a few slices into the sensor. So the repair would just be too expensive but I could use this as an excuse to upgrade.

Been shooting a lot of sports lately and want to move into the R3 and take advantage of the electronic shutter. I've looked at some sample images and didn't really notice much rolling shutter (which is important to me) as I often shoot indoor soccer and volleyball. Anyone find the rolling shutter to be noticeable in these scenarios? What sports do you see the most rolling shutter effect, like golf swings or martial arts?

Rolling shutter is only more of a thing with silent shutter. With normal two-curtain or with EFCS the curtains move as fast or faster than they did on your DSLRs. The R3 silent shutter takes something like 1/180th of a second to scan down the sensor, which is comparable with a physical focal plane shutter, unlike the 1/12th or so that my EOS R's silent shutter takes.

I can understand why you would want completely silent operation for snooker, but mirrorless EFCS has fewer clicks per shot than a DSLR going off and I'd have thought the player and crowd noise would have covered it up for indoor football and volleyball. With my EOS R's slow silent shutter, banding from cheap, powerful LED lighting flashing at mains frequency would be more upsetting to me than leaning backgrounds due to panning.

Also, is it worth upgrading to the R3 now, as I'm looking to upgrade in April as I still need a FF camera for weddings too. Or is it worth it wait for the R52? I don't need the megapixels honestly. I've shot at 18/20 MP for over a decade and never really felt like I needed more. I mean, is 45MP worth it for the hard drive space, buffer duration and the lower ISO performance?

An R5 II would be due in mid-2035 if Canon were to follow their 5D series update schedule with the R5 series. It's not been announced yet and there are sure to be difficulties getting it quickly on its release due to pent-up demand. You can't really afford to wait for one with the spring wedding season already started.

I think by 2035 I'll be wearing depends and drooling a lot. I hope it's sooner.

Slip of the finger, I meant 2025.

I know. I excel in that area.

Isn't depends a verb?

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You just need to keep the forests wet

 

[KiloHotelphoto]

I shoot the R3 and R5 for wildlife and only use electronic shutter on the R3 and I haven't had any problems with rolling shutter even with hummingbirds wings.

I prefer the R3 over the R5 and use it 90% of the time, the R5 is great but the autofocus of the R3 is much faster and I prefer the look of the files.

The R5 II is still a unknown on when it will be out and what it will have, it could be announced next month or in six months. Right now the R3 and R5 are discounted a lot and great deals.

 

[Zeee]

Hi all

Been looking to finally upgrade my gear from the 7D and the 5D3 after my shutter in the 5D3 "exploded" and put a few slices into the sensor. So the repair would just be too expensive but I could use this as an excuse to upgrade.

Been shooting a lot of sports lately and want to move into the R3 and take advantage of the electronic shutter. I've looked at some sample images and didn't really notice much rolling shutter (which is important to me) as I often shoot indoor soccer and volleyball. Anyone find the rolling shutter to be noticeable in these scenarios? What sports do you see the most rolling shutter effect, like golf swings or martial arts?

Rolling shutter is only more of a thing with silent shutter. With normal two-curtain or with EFCS the curtains move as fast or faster than they did on your DSLRs. The R3 silent shutter takes something like 1/180th of a second to scan down the sensor, which is comparable with a physical focal plane shutter, unlike the 1/12th or so that my EOS R's silent shutter takes.

I can understand why you would want completely silent operation for snooker, but mirrorless EFCS has fewer clicks per shot than a DSLR going off and I'd have thought the player and crowd noise would have covered it up for indoor football and volleyball. With my EOS R's slow silent shutter, banding from cheap, powerful LED lighting flashing at mains frequency would be more upsetting to me than leaning backgrounds due to panning.

Also, is it worth upgrading to the R3 now, as I'm looking to upgrade in April as I still need a FF camera for weddings too. Or is it worth it wait for the R52? I don't need the megapixels honestly. I've shot at 18/20 MP for over a decade and never really felt like I needed more. I mean, is 45MP worth it for the hard drive space, buffer duration and the lower ISO performance?

An R5 II would be due in mid-2035 if Canon were to follow their 5D series update schedule with the R5 series. It's not been announced yet and there are sure to be difficulties getting it quickly on its release due to pent-up demand. You can't really afford to wait for one with the spring wedding season already started.

I think by 2035 I'll be wearing depends and drooling a lot. I hope it's sooner.

Slip of the finger, I meant 2025.

I know. I excel in that area.

Isn't depends a verb?

Depends on what you are talking about.

https://www.depend.com/en-us/

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You just need to keep the forests wet

 

[drdtmd]

I have the r3 and z9 and use both for sports and wildlife with electronic shutter exclusivity and I have not seen any rolling shutter. I really enjoy the low noise images that come out of the r3 plus the great ergonomics. Buy one you will absolutely love it.

 

[R2D2]

Hi all

Been looking to finally upgrade my gear from the 7D and the 5D3 after my shutter in the 5D3 "exploded" and put a few slices into the sensor. So the repair would just be too expensive but I could use this as an excuse to upgrade.

Been shooting a lot of sports lately and want to move into the R3 and take advantage of the electronic shutter. I've looked at some sample images and didn't really notice much rolling shutter (which is important to me) as I often shoot indoor soccer and volleyball. Anyone find the rolling shutter to be noticeable in these scenarios? What sports do you see the most rolling shutter effect, like golf swings or martial arts?

Also, is it worth upgrading to the R3 now, as I'm looking to upgrade in April as I still need a FF camera for weddings too. Or is it worth it wait for the R52? I don't need the megapixels honestly. I've shot at 18/20 MP for over a decade and never really felt like I needed more. I mean, is 45MP worth it for the hard drive space, buffer duration and the lower ISO performance?

In the Canon world, the R3 is the (current) king. The spec will suit your needs very well.

As with any camera, just be sure to try it out beforehand.

Happy shopping!

R2

 

[Leigh A]

Hi all

Also, is it worth upgrading to the R3 now, as I'm looking to upgrade in April as I still need a FF camera for weddings too. Or is it worth it wait for the R52? I don't need the megapixels honestly. I've shot at 18/20 MP for over a decade and never really felt like I needed more. I mean, is 45MP worth it for the hard drive space, buffer duration and the lower ISO performance?

While anyone can advise you what upgrade aspects, they consider worth investing in, they can't assure you that it would suit your needs.

If Sports is your primary interest, and you can afford an R3, it's got the latest of everything, and you certainly couldn't go wrong with it.

Alternatively, the R62 at a lesser price, would outperform both your 7D2, and 5D3, with a bit more resolution than the R3.

You stated, "I don't need the megapixels", so doesn't seem much point of even considering an R52?

 

[Zeee]

Hi all

Been looking to finally upgrade my gear from the 7D and the 5D3 after my shutter in the 5D3 "exploded" and put a few slices into the sensor. So the repair would just be too expensive but I could use this as an excuse to upgrade.

Been shooting a lot of sports lately and want to move into the R3 and take advantage of the electronic shutter. I've looked at some sample images and didn't really notice much rolling shutter (which is important to me) as I often shoot indoor soccer and volleyball. Anyone find the rolling shutter to be noticeable in these scenarios? What sports do you see the most rolling shutter effect, like golf swings or martial arts?

Also, is it worth upgrading to the R3 now, as I'm looking to upgrade in April as I still need a FF camera for weddings too. Or is it worth it wait for the R52? I don't need the megapixels honestly. I've shot at 18/20 MP for over a decade and never really felt like I needed more. I mean, is 45MP worth it for the hard drive space, buffer duration and the lower ISO performance?

I had the R5 and while the extra megapixels were nice and obviously great for cropping but I have no issues with a lower megapixel sensor. Shooting sports means a lot of files. If I shot sporting events I'd prefer smaller less.

I sold the R5 and got an R7 and R6II. If you need a FF for weddings take a look at the R6II. This is not related to weddings but an interesting video.

R6II is not immune to rolling shutter so there is the dilemma.



R3 is not on this list yet.

https://horshack-dpreview.github.io/RollingShutter/

As for cropping the R6II holds its own.





I don't do a lot of sports but I had about a 90% keeper rate with the R6II using EFCS. Did this shoot as a favour for a friend.

You just need to keep the forests wet

I should have said I shot the polo match using EFCS and H+. I’m always on EFCS with the R62. With my R7 I use ES and H. If I had to give one body up it would be the R7.

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You just need to keep the forests wet

 

[Alastair Norcross]

Hi all

Also, is it worth upgrading to the R3 now, as I'm looking to upgrade in April as I still need a FF camera for weddings too. Or is it worth it wait for the R52? I don't need the megapixels honestly. I've shot at 18/20 MP for over a decade and never really felt like I needed more. I mean, is 45MP worth it for the hard drive space, buffer duration and the lower ISO performance?

While anyone can advise you what upgrade aspects, they consider worth investing in, they can't assure you that it would suit your needs.

If Sports is your primary interest, and you can afford an R3, it's got the latest of everything, and you certainly couldn't go wrong with it.

Alternatively, the R62 at a lesser price, would outperform both your 7D2, and 5D3, with a bit more resolution than the R3.

R6II and R3 have the same 24MP resolution.

You stated, "I don't need the megapixels", so doesn't seem much point of even considering an R52?