The Good, the Bad, & the Ugly: Part 1 (BAD)

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The writing is on the wall. In the past year, the Olympus Talk forum has more than doubled & is now one of the busiest forums in DPREVIEW. Soon you may see.

Olympus Talk, C-8080, C-7xx, UZI, C-50xx

Is this what you really want? Are you sure this is what we really need?

I come to Olympus forum to learn, not just from the camera that I own, but from the others that own other cameras too. I find it important to see what people are doing with their non-DSLR cameras, no matter the model type. It is the differences that make these cameras unique to each other & teach us the limitations & boundaries of each camera in the Olympus line. When I see a fine UZI image, I don’t think, just an UZI & it is years & years old; I think of how fine that image looks & how my C8080 would do in such a situation & even that my c8080 cannot begin to compete with such a fine piece of art. If they take the UZI away from us & place it in another forum, then I won't be seeing those fine images any longer. To me, this is a waste & a great sadness.

The important thing is that Olympus Talk is a family & we may soon be split up. This is not something that Phil is currently contemplating, but the writing is on the wall. We are posting too much & eventually as more & more people will come to our site here. In a way, it truly is just a matter of time & eventually Olympus will be cut up & divided. There is nothing to stop this. It is inevitability.

But we can postpone it. We can, as a group, delay the inevitable for as long as possible so the Olympus family can flourish until there is so many of us that it won't really matter to us. But I'm thinking that a change soon would impact us greatly & there would be loss. I for one would hate to lose notice of the incredible photos & knowledge that the C-50xx crowd has to offer. The camera is near to my C8080 that I would fear I would be losing the many chances I currently have to better myself.

Sure, I could look at the C-50xx forum, but really how often would I truly look at it?

But what can we do? The best thing we can do is limit our posts.

IMHO, if your personal post has fallen to 12hrs then you should let it fall down unless it is critical. When you reply, it should be to the top 10 posts & the things that have fallen should die out, unless they’re critically important posts, then by all means bump them. Your personal posts should be limited to one or two at the max per day. And of course, it's a given that important news or a new camera will flood the forum & in that case it is okay.

The reasoning is that every day during the morning hours there is a frenzy of activity from daybreak ‘til noon. People have come back from vacations, have shot the moon, have processed their images in the wee hours of the night, or like most are simply awake & caffeine-buzzed & typing like madmen & madwomen. I've been logged in on a Saturday morning & it becomes insane, topics drift to page 2 in less than an 1hr. Posts are made at a rampant rate & the popular ones get hits every 5 minutes, & rightly so. I like a good debate as much as any of us,& those popular ones are fine & good. Post as much as you like to something at the top. But have courtesy to those that have valid questions so that they aren't dropped off the front page news & obscured into the pages beyond. And have courtesy not to post multiple topics in the same day. Write them down in a word doc to ask on future dates. Don't flood the board.

There is nothing more important than courtesy. Be kind & let others post too. If you look at your "My Threads", there is no reason to reply & give thanks if the thread is a day or more old. In fact, if it isn't gathering replies, letting it die is usually the best course of action.

Don't be so surprised when this happens. It will happen, even on very good threads. Bump once & leave it alone. If it fails again, it simply wasn't meant to be. Find new ways to present yourself if you want to have a popular thread. Make your threads interesting or expect them to fail.

As an example, this is how I work my time on the forums. I look at “my threads” & see if something has been said recently. If there hasn't, I look at the top 10 threads on page 1. If I see something interesting, I reply to it & this does change the sort order very much. If I have something to say, I say it in a new post & try to do my best to make the subject line appear appealing. People are very good at that here, making elusive statements that get people to look at their threads such as "I saw a tiger in the park."

And all the people will flock to it like feeding birds. People are really quite creative with their post statements.

If you post more than once a day, that's okay, but at least be interesting. Be interesting .

Use the search feature when you have a question! Most of the answers to your questions have already been asked. The answers are usually there.

Don't make double/triple/multiple posts on the same subject (i.e. digital
zoom).


That is all I have to say. Try your best to help the cause of maintaining the family. It is a good cause. I would rather have the Olympus Talk forum than to have 4 separate forums for as long as possible. The selfishness of some people will topple over the fragile house of cards that Phil Askey built & he will divide us. He will have no choice, just as he had no choice but to divide the Canon & Nikon forums. If you have something to say, then say it. If you just want to talk, then find value in the top ten threads of the time on page 1 & don't alter things so much.

This is all I can do to help us remain the family that we are. Unclique.
 
Very well stated and makes perfect sense.

One of my pet peeves is where folks will have quite a few comments in their threads and will respond to one or two a day ( instead of all responses posted at the time of their reply ) just to keep their posts on the front page. ( Sort of a sly ( self gratification and sneaky ) way of avoiding the bump rule ).

O.K..... I've hit and now I'm running!!!! }8-p

Cheers
Mickey
-- A PICTURE IS WORTH A 1000 WORDS,
but it uses up 1000 times the memory.--
--And it's harder to spellcheck!--
 
I agree with you. The OTF should remain one forum. It's a good mix, and I don't see it breaking up anytime soon because of this.

If you look at the D70 forum, there are just waay too many threads to keep up with, and I can see why that's a separate thread.
 
But what can we do? The best thing we can do is limit our posts.
IMHO, if your personal post has fallen to 12hrs then you should let
it fall down unless it is critical.
. . . that this is indeed a worldwide forum, and in 12 hours, someone half way around the world is just coming online. Possibly.

Also consider that some of us can't simply camp on the forum, and get busy and may only be able to check in about once a day, or sometimes every few days.

I see nothing wrong with replying to my 'messages' when and if I get the time.
I've been logged
in on a Saturday morning & it becomes insane, topics drift to page
2 in less than an 1hr.
All the more reason to have some of the threads make another pass or two. Some extremely informative discussions sometimes carry on for days. Who knows what information we would miss if we only allowed them to survive for 12 hours!
There is nothing more important than courtesy. Be kind & let others
post too. If you look at your "My Threads", there is no reason to
reply & give thanks if the thread is a day or more old. In fact, if
it isn't gathering replies, letting it die is usually the best
course of action.
This is just a bit of a contradiction. If I haven't been able to respond to someone for a day or two, then aren't I being discourteous if I just pretend they didn't say something to me and ignore them?

What's it really going to hurt if the thread comes back up, and THEN drifts quietly off into oblivion with no further activity? At least I had the courtesy to give acknowledgement to those who acknowledged me.
If you post more than once a day, that's okay, but at least be
interesting. Be interesting .
And again, we must keep in mind that what may be interesting in Seattle or in Oklahoma may be of little or no interest to someone in India! But then again, it may be extremely interesting to someone in Austrailia. Those Aussies need a little excitement, after all! ;-)
That is all I have to say. Try your best to help the cause of
maintaining the family. It is a good cause. I would rather have the
Olympus Talk forum than to have 4 separate forums for as long as
possible. The selfishness of some people will topple over the
fragile house of cards that Phil Askey built & he will divide us.
I'm not sure I understand this concept, though. What's good about the family is precisely what they are posting here, isn't it? And if 'the family' is happily posting here, is that selfish of them?

If you extrapolate the reasoning that less posting is better, then the best thing for the forum must be very little posting. But then, we wouldn't have our happy family atmosphere!
He will have no choice, just as he had no choice but to divide the
Canon & Nikon forums.
Hey, if it happens, it happens. We can't change that. Perhaps postpone it for a bit, but at what cost?

Life goes on. Always has. Always will. People buy new equipment and move on. Some like me hang around even after we buy the new equipment. Because we like it here . . . just the way it is! ;-)

--

 
Your assertion doesn't really make sense from a systems point of view. Unless the users request it, why would Phil want to split off this forum and incur more administration when there isn't really savings in resources like hard drive space etc. If those particular forums were split, it was due to the release of consumer dSLRs, not the flood of new consumer non-dSLR models.

And how do you come to the conclusion that OTF has doubled in the past year? Where are these statistics? I've been here longer than what my profile suggests and OTF has always been one of the larger forums, but I'd be at a loss to make any accurate statement on growth rate.
Look here & view the numbers of posts per forum:
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/

Nikon Talk, D70, D100/D1/D2, SLR Lens Talk

Canon Talk, EOS-300D, EOS-10D/D60/D30, EOS-1D/1DS, SLR Lens Talk

The writing is on the wall. In the past year, the Olympus Talk
forum has more than doubled & is now one of the busiest forums in
DPREVIEW. Soon you may see.

Olympus Talk, C-8080, C-7xx, UZI, C-50xx

Is this what you really want? Are you sure this is what we really
need?
 
One of my pet peeves is where folks will have quite a few comments
in their threads and will respond to one or two a day ( instead of
all responses posted at the time of their reply ) just to keep
their posts on the front page. ( Sort of a sly ( self gratification
and sneaky ) way of avoiding the bump rule ).
. . . the phone rang.
Or a customer came in.
Or we're late for an appointment.
Or the doorbell rings.
Or the wife is hollering "We're gonna be LATE! LETS GO!".
Or the kids want their turn on the computer.
Or the TV program that we were waiting to watch is coming on.
Or we're trying to divide what time we have between multiple forums.
Or the wife is suddenly 'in the mood'.

Or we want to make sure that the other side of the planet gets a look at our cute little doggie/kitty/child.

Or . . . like me . . . maybe we just like to hear ourselves talk sometimes! ;-)

Deep down, isn't that why we're all here?
O.K..... I've hit and now I'm running!!!! }8-p
Chicken! ;-)

--

 
....why are you trying to upset the applecart? Or.....are you now here with a new name? hmmmmmmm? Since you speak of "...In the past year..."

Hope you'll just lighten up and enjoy the goings on in this family of friends...share your experiences, your ideas, and yes, your photos. But please don't try to 'enlighten' the rest of us. We like it here....we like it the way it is, and hope you'll join in.....nuff said!

--
Lucy
U ZI owner!
Olympus C3-20Z
http://www.pbase.com/lucy
FCAS Member #98
'Photography is the art of seeing what others do not.'
 
The bumping from page 2 does sometimes seem deliberate as Mickey suggests. It is done in intervals. Thank three people. Ok, thread's at the top. Whoops, it's on page 2. Thank a couple more. Ok, at the top again. And so on. What I think is funny is that the people who do this think we don't notice what they're up to. Or maybe they just don't care.

Here is how I handle with my own threads. If a thread has gone to page 2 but has quite a few responses, then I will thank those people. Sometimes I'm not on the computer in the evening when a lot of people post and don't see them until the next day. And I believe it is good forum etiquette to thank every poster. Not thank selectively or not thank any at all. If my comments are routinely ignored by a poster, even if that poster doesn't thank anyone else, they go on my "do not post to" list. Sorry. If I don't get a response it says to me you aren't reading my comment so why bother?

However, if I get just one or two comments overnight, then I will email those posters a thanks so as not to bump it. Assuming they have their email addresses public which most of us do.

OT, I've always had my email address public on this forum and have never received one flame or piece of spam from it. Right now it's not. That's a long story that has to do with me having to reregister with an email account I never check. For the record myreal email address is: [email protected]. The point is that it's very safe to put your email address in your profile here.

I start maybe 2 threads a week. For me that is sufficient. I post to many more than I create. I'm not patting myself on the back. It's actually vanity. I only post the best of my shots. Or one I think is humorous or one I want critiqued. If I posted one every day, believe me, some of them would be a step below snapshots. :) Actually, twice a week is probably pushing it.

Ahlimpas makes a very good point about multiple postings per day. Normally, I might not think twice about it except for the fact it's difficult to keep up with three seperate posts from one individual.

And I've never taken the forum splitting threat seriously but with the figures he provides, it is clear that this forum is really on overdrive.

There are really only a few people who do this too. And they are also the ones that usually ignore these suggestions so I don't know what we can do about that.

It would be a sad day indeed if I couldn't post to all my UZI, 8080, 5060, etc. friends all in one place.

Oh, and maybe we could consolidate the POTDs into one post. Since it seems there are usually several winers a day from here. Yesterday, there were two seperate threads going for the same one!

Karen

http://www.pbase.com/kstuebin



'Let us cross over the river and rest under the shade of the trees.'

Last words of General Thomas 'Stonewall' Jackson, killed in error by his own troops at the battle of Chancellorsvillle during the US Civil War, 1863.
 
I hope this is just a put-on - or - are you a cop, AhLimPaS? ;-)

It's worse to be split up (how rampant/imminent/real is this fear?) than to have our interactions dictated by some Orwellian set of rules?

And what's this jazz, that If my post falls to page 2 and I thank somebody, or unless I thank everybody in a prescibed, timely and complete fashion, I'm now seen as a 'needy bumper' versus somebody just saying thanks?

And, "Be Interesting"???? Shoot, I'm a hopeless dullard! Guess I'm out.

My 2¢: Don't trouble trouble till trouble troubles you.

(yawn) Stan

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srp
Ochenta-Ochenta-WZ
102nd FCAS Member
http://www.pbase.com/akasrp/8080

 
All of the Canon forums together = 242,258
All of the Nikon forums together = 146,512
The Sony forum, still only one = 93,634

And the Olympus forums together = 97,599
Oly Talk alone is 67,600

Do you have nothing better to worry about?
--
Theresa
Constructive criticism always welcome! :)
http://www.pbase.com/theresa_k
C-5O6O & FL-4O

 
I think Ahlimpas is really voicing his discontent of various problems he has with OTF under the guise of this alarmist warning. It sounds to me like he really wants to complain but instead words it so it sounds altruistic.

Heck, I don't care. I'll complain. From the point of view of someone who is new here and how they might see things.

A little hyperbole here.

Newcomer A posts a photo. It can be a good photo or a bad photo. Or it could be a snapshot or a postcard. Oops, different discussion.

In the meantime, Oldtimer A has decided that he took 500 pictures over the weekend. He would share all of them if he could but knows that's ridiculous. So he posts three or four with a little story tying them together.

Oldtimer B can't get out to take photos because of the weather. He rediscovers Photoshop filters and turns some nice photos into some really bizarre creations. He posts several.

Oldtimer A isn't satisfied with the photos he posted because he's got lots more. So he starts another thread on a different topic with some more photos.

Shortimer A is sitting at his computer which he won't let anyone forget is a Mac drinking a few beers and getting bored with looking at photos. He decides to start a little trouble just for a diversion and posts a contentious statement but backs it up with facts.

Oldtimer C has been gone 6 months because she bought a DSLR but decides she wants to say hi to the folks here so she takes a few shots with her UZI and posts them.

The regular gang are posting up a storm back and forth to these threads. They don't recognize Newcomer A's name and the subject line doesn't sound very interesting so they ignore it. And who cares? They were here first and they've always done it this way. Don't like it? Leave.

In the meantime, Oldtimer D has won his 6,000th POTD this year and feels the need to proclaim his accomplishment. While hes' surfing the POTD sites for the 11th time that day, he discovers a few more Oly winners so he starts another thread to congratulate them.

What he doesn't realize, because he just reads down the subject line looking for his name and a few others, is that Shortimer B, trying to fit in, has already been to the sites and has a thread going about the various winners. So now there are two threads on the same subject and Newcomer A is falling fast.

Oldtime E hasn't posted any photos in a while so she goes around looking for "opinion" posts because she excels in sharing her opinion. Even when she doesn't have one she makes on up. Not finding any, she decides to start one.

Various 8080 users sit at their PCs resentful because all the activity always seems to occur with the same 6 people. They all simultaneously start posting technical questions to one another.

They don't recognize Newcomer A either and even though she has an 8080, she didn't put it in the subject line. So that's her own fault.

Newcome A falls into the page 2 black hole.

Newcome F has been watching all this for a year, oops I mean a month, now. He gets out his calculator and discovers that on page 1, 09.9856789% of the users accoount for 76.900065% of the threads there. Those users post an average of 7.54365 new posts a day.

OK, I'll stop now. I think you get the idea. The one Ahlimpas was making. Correct me if I'm wrong, Ahlimpas.

It is not the number of posts but rather the kinds of posts. There are people who consistently dominate the front page through sheer number of posts and interaction between each other.

And that's the way it is. If you're a newcomer, guess it's not much fun. But then again it never is when you're a newcomer anywhere.

And I am NOT referring to specific people here so don't start trying to read yourself into it. :) Except in one instance. Oly, oly??? LOL. And me. I had to put myself in there. :)

And I am not stating an opinion and the accuracy of all this is highly questionable as well. I'm just trying to view how we might seem to someone not familiar with the site.

And maybe lighten things up a little.

Karen

http://www.pbase.com/kstuebin



'Let us cross over the river and rest under the shade of the trees.'

Last words of General Thomas 'Stonewall' Jackson, killed in error by his own troops at the battle of Chancellorsvillle during the US Civil War, 1863.
 
I think Ahlimpas is really voicing his discontent of various
problems he has with OTF under the guise of this alarmist warning.
It sounds to me like he really wants to complain but instead words
it so it sounds altruistic.

Heck, I don't care. I'll complain. From the point of view of
someone who is new here and how they might see things.

A little hyperbole here.

Newcomer A posts a photo. It can be a good photo or a bad photo. Or
it could be a snapshot or a postcard. Oops, different discussion.

In the meantime, Oldtimer A has decided that he took 500 pictures
over the weekend. He would share all of them if he could but knows
that's ridiculous. So he posts three or four with a little story
tying them together.

Oldtimer B can't get out to take photos because of the weather. He
rediscovers Photoshop filters and turns some nice photos into some
really bizarre creations. He posts several.

Oldtimer A isn't satisfied with the photos he posted because he's
got lots more. So he starts another thread on a different topic
with some more photos.

Shortimer A is sitting at his computer which he won't let anyone
forget is a Mac drinking a few beers and getting bored with looking
at photos. He decides to start a little trouble just for a
diversion and posts a contentious statement but backs it up with
facts.

Oldtimer C has been gone 6 months because she bought a DSLR but
decides she wants to say hi to the folks here so she takes a few
shots with her UZI and posts them.

The regular gang are posting up a storm back and forth to these
threads. They don't recognize Newcomer A's name and the subject
line doesn't sound very interesting so they ignore it. And who
cares? They were here first and they've always done it this way.
Don't like it? Leave.

In the meantime, Oldtimer D has won his 6,000th POTD this year and
feels the need to proclaim his accomplishment. While hes' surfing
the POTD sites for the 11th time that day, he discovers a few more
Oly winners so he starts another thread to congratulate them.

What he doesn't realize, because he just reads down the subject
line looking for his name and a few others, is that Shortimer B,
trying to fit in, has already been to the sites and has a thread
going about the various winners. So now there are two threads on
the same subject and Newcomer A is falling fast.

Oldtime E hasn't posted any photos in a while so she goes around
looking for "opinion" posts because she excels in sharing her
opinion. Even when she doesn't have one she makes on up. Not
finding any, she decides to start one.

Various 8080 users sit at their PCs resentful because all the
activity always seems to occur with the same 6 people. They all
simultaneously start posting technical questions to one another.

They don't recognize Newcomer A either and even though she has an
8080, she didn't put it in the subject line. So that's her own
fault.

Newcome A falls into the page 2 black hole.

Newcome F has been watching all this for a year, oops I mean a
month, now. He gets out his calculator and discovers that on page
1, 09.9856789% of the users accoount for 76.900065% of the threads
there. Those users post an average of 7.54365 new posts a day.

OK, I'll stop now. I think you get the idea. The one Ahlimpas was
making. Correct me if I'm wrong, Ahlimpas.

It is not the number of posts but rather the kinds of posts. There
are people who consistently dominate the front page through sheer
number of posts and interaction between each other.

And that's the way it is. If you're a newcomer, guess it's not much
fun. But then again it never is when you're a newcomer anywhere.

And I am NOT referring to specific people here so don't start
trying to read yourself into it. :) Except in one instance. Oly,
oly??? LOL. And me. I had to put myself in there. :)

And I am not stating an opinion and the accuracy of all this is
highly questionable as well. I'm just trying to view how we might
seem to someone not familiar with the site.

And maybe lighten things up a little.

Karen

http://www.pbase.com/kstuebin



'Let us cross over the river and rest under the shade of the trees.'

Last words of General Thomas 'Stonewall' Jackson, killed in error
by his own troops at the battle of Chancellorsvillle during the US
Civil War, 1863.
--
srp
Ochenta-Ochenta-WZ
102nd FCAS Member
http://www.pbase.com/akasrp/8080

 
Look here & view the numbers of posts per forum:
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/

Nikon Talk, D70, D100/D1/D2, SLR Lens Talk

Canon Talk, EOS-300D, EOS-10D/D60/D30, EOS-1D/1DS, SLR Lens Talk

The writing is on the wall. In the past year, the Olympus Talk
forum has more than doubled & is now one of the busiest forums in
DPREVIEW. Soon you may see.

Olympus Talk, C-8080, C-7xx, UZI, C-50xx

Is this what you really want?
To me this is a red herring. What the number of posts mean to me is that, Olympus sells the cameras they make, and people write about their experiences with them. So Olympus is likely to stay around, rather than being merged with someone else.

Many of the threads are model specific anyway.

I do avoid answering queries unless I have the answer (in my opinion at least).

The concept of 'family' is nice, but this forum is no substitute for a real family. If someone's daughter turned up on your doorstep telling you about her problems with her boyfriend, you would go 'Huh?'

I have been welcomed into someone's (Sandra's) family, and it is not all lovydovy. It is even more interesting than this forum though. And it is 24/7. You can't slope away for a couple of days like you can here.

Henry

--
H. Falkner
 
. . . the phone rang.
Or a customer came in.
Or we're late for an appointment.
Or the doorbell rings.
Or the wife is hollering "We're gonna be LATE! LETS GO!".
Or the kids want their turn on the computer.
Or the TV program that we were waiting to watch is coming on.
Or we're trying to divide what time we have between multiple forums.
Or the wife is suddenly 'in the mood'.
Or we want to make sure that the other side of the planet gets a
look at our cute little doggie/kitty/child.
These are all acceptable, but.....there have been occasions where a member will reply to one or two posts in their thread when there are several, stay on the forum and go to other threads, post replies within the same session and not return to their thread until the next day to respond to comments that were posted with the ones that the originator of the thread responded to. Why not take the time ( since you did not leave the forum ) to respond to all the comments that were posted in succession before your reply to one or two and moving on?
Or . . . like me . . . maybe we just like to hear ourselves talk
sometimes! ;-)

Deep down, isn't that why we're all here?
Ahhhh...Methinks you have hit on the latent reason ;-)
O.K..... I've hit and now I'm running!!!! }8-p
Chicken! ;-)
Bwack... bwck..bwk..bwk....Bwaaaaack ( Chicken Cluck!!!! )
I've been exposed!!!! LOL

Cheers to ALL!!!!
Mickey
-- A PICTURE IS WORTH A 1000 WORDS,
but it uses up 1000 times the memory.--
--And it's harder to spellcheck!--
 
LOL! That was well done Karen and probably pretty fun too. I like how you mentioned people without mentioning anyone. That was pretty funny & a very true reflection of a day in the life of the Oly Forum. Good stuff :)
I think Ahlimpas is really voicing his discontent of various
problems he has with OTF under the guise of this alarmist warning.
It sounds to me like he really wants to complain but instead words
it so it sounds altruistic.

Heck, I don't care. I'll complain. From the point of view of
someone who is new here and how they might see things.

A little hyperbole here.

Newcomer A posts a photo. It can be a good photo or a bad photo. Or
it could be a snapshot or a postcard. Oops, different discussion.

In the meantime, Oldtimer A has decided that he took 500 pictures
over the weekend. He would share all of them if he could but knows
that's ridiculous. So he posts three or four with a little story
tying them together.

Oldtimer B can't get out to take photos because of the weather. He
rediscovers Photoshop filters and turns some nice photos into some
really bizarre creations. He posts several.

Oldtimer A isn't satisfied with the photos he posted because he's
got lots more. So he starts another thread on a different topic
with some more photos.

Shortimer A is sitting at his computer which he won't let anyone
forget is a Mac drinking a few beers and getting bored with looking
at photos. He decides to start a little trouble just for a
diversion and posts a contentious statement but backs it up with
facts.

Oldtimer C has been gone 6 months because she bought a DSLR but
decides she wants to say hi to the folks here so she takes a few
shots with her UZI and posts them.

The regular gang are posting up a storm back and forth to these
threads. They don't recognize Newcomer A's name and the subject
line doesn't sound very interesting so they ignore it. And who
cares? They were here first and they've always done it this way.
Don't like it? Leave.

In the meantime, Oldtimer D has won his 6,000th POTD this year and
feels the need to proclaim his accomplishment. While hes' surfing
the POTD sites for the 11th time that day, he discovers a few more
Oly winners so he starts another thread to congratulate them.

What he doesn't realize, because he just reads down the subject
line looking for his name and a few others, is that Shortimer B,
trying to fit in, has already been to the sites and has a thread
going about the various winners. So now there are two threads on
the same subject and Newcomer A is falling fast.

Oldtime E hasn't posted any photos in a while so she goes around
looking for "opinion" posts because she excels in sharing her
opinion. Even when she doesn't have one she makes on up. Not
finding any, she decides to start one.

Various 8080 users sit at their PCs resentful because all the
activity always seems to occur with the same 6 people. They all
simultaneously start posting technical questions to one another.

They don't recognize Newcomer A either and even though she has an
8080, she didn't put it in the subject line. So that's her own
fault.

Newcome A falls into the page 2 black hole.

Newcome F has been watching all this for a year, oops I mean a
month, now. He gets out his calculator and discovers that on page
1, 09.9856789% of the users accoount for 76.900065% of the threads
there. Those users post an average of 7.54365 new posts a day.

OK, I'll stop now. I think you get the idea. The one Ahlimpas was
making. Correct me if I'm wrong, Ahlimpas.

It is not the number of posts but rather the kinds of posts. There
are people who consistently dominate the front page through sheer
number of posts and interaction between each other.

And that's the way it is. If you're a newcomer, guess it's not much
fun. But then again it never is when you're a newcomer anywhere.

And I am NOT referring to specific people here so don't start
trying to read yourself into it. :) Except in one instance. Oly,
oly??? LOL. And me. I had to put myself in there. :)

And I am not stating an opinion and the accuracy of all this is
highly questionable as well. I'm just trying to view how we might
seem to someone not familiar with the site.

And maybe lighten things up a little.

Karen

http://www.pbase.com/kstuebin



'Let us cross over the river and rest under the shade of the trees.'

Last words of General Thomas 'Stonewall' Jackson, killed in error
by his own troops at the battle of Chancellorsvillle during the US
Civil War, 1863.
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If you can't do anything right, at least you can stand aside and let someone else do it.
 
You are such a good liar! You really should go into politics. You'd be good there, fit right in.

I like how you grouped the forums together to show your point. That was quite a good one. But the fact of the matter is that I was right up front with where I got my numbers & posted a link directly to it so everyone could see it. There is no secret about my math at all.

Now let's look at them again.

Canon EOS-300D 41,483
Canon EOS-10D/D60/D30 93,354
Canon EOS-1D/1Ds 9,974
Canon SLR Lens Talk 19,657

Nikon Talk 68,499
Nikon D70 22,508
Nikon D100/D1/D2 47,731

Olympus Talk 67,619

Fuji Talk 32,069
Minolta Talk 29,879
Sony Talk 93,660

So what does it all mean? Maybe nothing. Sony has 94,000 posts & Olympus only 68,000. So maybe the problem is even worse there, but they aren't split up. But at some point, Phil did spread the Nikon & Canon forums apart, so we aren't immune & our forum is very busy.

All I'm saying is that it appears that we need to think about other people & be heard, but also take the time to listen. There is no need to revive old threads or to post three times in a day or to make a redundant post when there is already one there right on page 1 or one that was just talked about (digital zoom threads).

Karen had a very good suggestion, which was to place POTD posts into a single thread instead of individual ones. Look, I know you're excited, but what's the harm of making a post that reads POTD! and letting other people share it. It might even be more fun. "Yeah, I got one too, look..." and then there will be even more talk & your post can stay on page 1 longer.

Anyway, I'm not saying that Phil is standing around with the forum splitter tool in his hand. But it will happen. Eventually people will overload this forum. So, why can't we be even more selfless for each other & keep it in our minds not to be so damned bullheaded & self-important? Let me ask you a question. If I died right now in a car crash & didn't post anymore, would you care? At all? So what makes you think that what you say is so important? It's fun to be here. It's fun to share with you. It's fun to see your excitement for photography. It is not fun to see your face every five seconds on 15 threads. Sometimes less is more. That's what I'm trying to get across. The most talkative people are also the most annoying. Try this in real life: Instead of blithely talking about everything & anything; do that in a public place with someone where everyone is stationary, like maybe a beach or at work or 4th of July before the fireworks. Then after chattering away for an hour or two, while you are talking, take some mental pictures and look for a person like me. You'll see him. He'll be nice, well dressed, good manners, quiet, and he'll be looking right at you with utter contempt because you, and you don't have a clue about it, are so self-important, obnoxious, irritating, and annoying in everyway with your raising your voice so you can overwhelm the person you are talking to and never let them get a word in edgewise, and with your chipper little laugh that you constantly do, and just the dumb things that you actually talk about, that you'll see it in my eyes. It ain't pretty what I'm thinking about. Try it. You'll see how you really are reflected by people who think before they say something. They don't like you. In fact, most people don't. They put up with you. But those of us that have more self-control really don't like you and we'll let you know about it. Just look around.

Most people here are very cool & quite interesting. There are quite a few good photographers & I enjoy sharing my time here with most everyone. I like how everyone is different and I especially like how some of you go way out of your way to help people even when that means repeating things you just said last week. These are the very best people of our Olympus Talk Forum. They are the cream of the crop, the best of the best. I bet they don't make new posts all that often or bump old stuff of theirs. These are the kinds of people that I enjoy hanging around with here on the forum & in real life. That kind of character is like a magnet! And we should aspire to be more like those that we admire because it makes us better.

And is there anything truly wrong with trying to be better, more courteous, by posting less? How does this harm you in any way... to be more conscientious? Why are people angry in their replies to asking people to combine redundant posts and stop bumping? These aren't rules we are making, they are suggestions we are discussing about how we should all act with one another. In other forums, when someone posts something common like "what flash should I use", they get beat up for it. "USE A SEARCH!" and such. We shouldn't be like that. Intolerant. Be rather we can be reminding in our good manners to each other of the things we decide as a reflection of what we want to represent to each other & to new comers. Is that so much to ask?
All of the Canon forums together = 242,258
All of the Nikon forums together = 146,512
The Sony forum, still only one = 93,634

And the Olympus forums together = 97,599
Oly Talk alone is 67,600

Do you have nothing better to worry about?
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Theresa
Constructive criticism always welcome! :)
http://www.pbase.com/theresa_k
C-5O6O & FL-4O

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If you can't do anything right, at least you can stand aside and let someone else do it.
 
Thank you Karen

;-)
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'The very fact that I find myself in agreement with you other minds perturbs me, so that I hunt for points of divergence, feeling the urgent need to make it clear that at least I reached the same conclusions by a different route.'
KimR
 
It was quite clear to me that you were trying to show just how bad the Canon/Nikon forums would be if they hadn't been split. Oly Talk is nowhere near that level, and as pointed out, significantly lags the Sony forum which has yet to be split.

I would like to see one offshoot though (but it will never happen) .
See separate post.
You are such a good liar! You really should go into politics. You'd
be good there, fit right in.
I sat there with my calculator, adding the numbers from the link
YOU sent. I think the namecalling is not only unnecessary, it's
repulsive.

--
Theresa
Constructive criticism always welcome! :)
http://www.pbase.com/theresa_k
C-5O6O & FL-4O

 

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