SD10 a joke !

[Georg Zechner]

Now it is a good ide to come up with a new ultra-ultra compact model. But to give it a 4MP sensor and no zoom- what does that tell us ? I think that the marketing guys had the last say. I'm curious how bad the noise is going to be. My 3MP S230 is already quite useless above ISO 100, now they made a 4MP with (maybe- don't know that) an even smaller lens....

 

[Agent]

Well, the question is whether it has the S400 sensor, and therefore the G3 sensor. If so, the images will likely be superb (low noise, etc.).

Now it is a good ide to come up with a new ultra-ultra compact
model. But to give it a 4MP sensor and no zoom- what does that tell
us ? I think that the marketing guys had the last say. I'm curious
how bad the noise is going to be. My 3MP S230 is already quite
useless above ISO 100, now they made a 4MP with (maybe- don't know
that) an even smaller lens....

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[Gary Jones]

Optical zoom feature increases thickness of the camera. This camera might marry a cellphone someday!

Now it is a good ide to come up with a new ultra-ultra compact
model. But to give it a 4MP sensor and no zoom- what does that tell
us ? I think that the marketing guys had the last say. I'm curious
how bad the noise is going to be. My 3MP S230 is already quite
useless above ISO 100, now they made a 4MP with (maybe- don't know
that) an even smaller lens....

 

[Tom@JHU]

Why is it a joke? There are plenty of non-zoom digicams, this will just be the best one of all. It's smaller than most cellphones, so will be much more pocketable than the S400. I think many people will be willing to trade the zoom lens for that kind of portablility (me included), especially if they already have a serious camera and just want a highly portable one to take spur of the moment snap shots. Besides, I don't like the short zooms on P&S anyway, too many compromises in their designs (all kinds of distortions and CA). A fixed focal length is both easier to design and much superior in optical quality than any zoom lens. In addition, if the sensor is the same as S400's, then the image quality will be quite good. I'll be keeping my eyes open for this camera.

Now it is a good ide to come up with a new ultra-ultra compact
model. But to give it a 4MP sensor and no zoom- what does that tell
us ? I think that the marketing guys had the last say. I'm curious
how bad the noise is going to be. My 3MP S230 is already quite
useless above ISO 100, now they made a 4MP with (maybe- don't know
that) an even smaller lens....

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[alexzn]

Why don't you learn something about P/S cameras before posting speculations about "marketing guys". I bet the marketing guys advocated zoom lens to satisfy people who want 10x zoom lens in a 12Mpix ultra-compact and somehow still want to get decent pictures on top of it. In fact a non-zoom lens makes perfect sense in a P/S compact. The best reasonably priced P/S in the film world were Yashika T4 and Olympus Stylus Epic. Both had non-zoom lenses and had a very loyal following among serious amateur photographers. Their non-zoom lenses produced pictures that rivaled SLR cameras in quality, yet the public was buying unbelievably crappy 38-140 zooms in drones. BTW, the boutique P/S also had non-zoom lenses, maybe that can tell you something too...

If a compact lens could match the resolution of a small 4Mpix sensor, I bet that a fized focal length is just the ticket. You would get much better distortion control, much better CA control and almost always sharper pictures with a fixed focal length. So, SD10 might just take better pictures than S400. It's physics and not marketing and the laws of physics hold even in the digital world.

Alex

Now it is a good ide to come up with a new ultra-ultra compact
model. But to give it a 4MP sensor and no zoom- what does that tell
us ? I think that the marketing guys had the last say. I'm curious
how bad the noise is going to be. My 3MP S230 is already quite
useless above ISO 100, now they made a 4MP with (maybe- don't know
that) an even smaller lens....

 

[MegaPixel20000]

I think it got a smaller sensor compared to S400. I also think it is a joke because I dont think anyone would need something smaller S400 coz its not practical.

 

[Jadzia]

So don't buy one - what maybe a joke to you could well be useful to another. Not everyone who buys a digital camera wants to do "things" with it other than take a picture, load it on their pc and print for family.

Canon make camera's to demand - I think a barbie cam is a joke, my kids would die for one (well ok maybe not my almost 13 yr old boy).

Jadzia
Do we laugh with you or at you (there lies the question).

I think it got a smaller sensor compared to S400. I also think it
is a joke because I dont think anyone would need something smaller
S400 coz its not practical.

 

[Shawn Foo]

The best reasonably priced P/S in the film world were
Yashika T4 and Olympus Stylus Epic. Both had non-zoom lenses and
had a very loyal following among serious amateur photographers.
Their non-zoom lenses produced pictures that rivaled SLR cameras in
quality, yet the public was buying unbelievably crappy 38-140 zooms
in drones.

My first thought was:
"This looks like a good replacement for my Olympus Epic".

Shawn

 

[Tom@JHU]

I think it got a smaller sensor compared to S400. I also think it
is a joke because I dont think anyone would need something smaller
S400 coz its not practical.

Just checked and it does seem the sensor is smaller than the one used in S400, but slightly bigger than the one used on S330. We'll see how the image quality holds up. Even if only ISO50 and 100 are usable, that would be good enough for me. I have a DSLR to do low light work, just want a highly portable "spontaneous snap shot" camera and even the S400 is too big to carry around everywhere (they make uncomfortably bulky pockets for us guys that don't carry a purse). A smaller than cell-phone sized high resolution digicam is just what I've been looking for, so don't say "no one" would need something smaller than a S400.

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[MegaPixel20000]

The reason I'm saying its a joke is mainly they want customers to buy cameras with less feayures at very close prices to other cameras like S400.

If everyone is happy with less features for their money then you made Canon's day.

 

[Civis]

I wouldn't buy it, but there are many, many people out there for whom photography is not an obsession, and they will love this little thing. They are completely willing to pay more for a smaller and lighter package than the s400. Consider also that there are a lot of folks out there to whom several hundred dollars is not a lot of money for a gadget-of-the-week. You may not be one of them, but then you aren't the target audience.

The reason I'm saying its a joke is mainly they want customers to
buy cameras with less feayures at very close prices to other
cameras like S400.

If everyone is happy with less features for their money then you
made Canon's day.

 

[Tom@JHU]

If your logic holds, then why would anyone buy a S400 which has a lot less features than the S45 but costs more? I guess Canon is really playing ajoke on all the S400 buyers huh? You all should start a class action lawsuit.

You need to realized that size is a feature too and in the P&S market, an important feature that can dictate some price premiums. Besides, they are selling this for a lot cheaper than the S400. It's only $350 list price and will probably come down to $300 street price in a couple of month.

The reason I'm saying its a joke is mainly they want customers to
buy cameras with less feayures at very close prices to other
cameras like S400.

If everyone is happy with less features for their money then you
made Canon's day.

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[Czernobog]

I'm thinking of getting this camera. Why? Because i already have a D30, which can have all the zoom i can afford, low noise, excellent DOF and color reproduction, etc. What i want now is a pocketable, fun little camera, and the SD10 looks like a winner in that department. And most of all, it's a Canon

Now it is a good ide to come up with a new ultra-ultra compact
model. But to give it a 4MP sensor and no zoom- what does that tell
us ? I think that the marketing guys had the last say. I'm curious
how bad the noise is going to be. My 3MP S230 is already quite
useless above ISO 100, now they made a 4MP with (maybe- don't know
that) an even smaller lens....

 

[whitejack]

the S400 uses 1/1.8" sensor, while this one uses 1/2.5" sensor... so sadly u can expect more noise.... still, very interesting little cam....

Now it is a good ide to come up with a new ultra-ultra compact
model. But to give it a 4MP sensor and no zoom- what does that tell
us ? I think that the marketing guys had the last say. I'm curious
how bad the noise is going to be. My 3MP S230 is already quite
useless above ISO 100, now they made a 4MP with (maybe- don't know
that) an even smaller lens....

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[Raist3d]

Now it is a good ide to come up with a new ultra-ultra compact
model. But to give it a 4MP sensor and no zoom- what does that tell
us ? I think that the marketing guys had the last say. I'm curious
how bad the noise is going to be. My 3MP S230 is already quite
useless above ISO 100, now they made a 4MP with (maybe- don't know
that) an even smaller lens....

How can you make such a statement. This camera is 3 generations forward, so as far as we know the sensor might be even higher quality at the size. There are inherent difficulties in making a camera this small, but frankly, wait for the pictures, maybe the sensor is even better than what the S230 had.

I personally think this camera has t he potential to kick serious ass, the ultimate Elph directive is size. I am surprized the movie mode made it, considering the camera size.

• Raist

 

[Agent]

You can't be serious.

Now it is a good ide to come up with a new ultra-ultra compact
model. But to give it a 4MP sensor and no zoom- what does that tell
us ? I think that the marketing guys had the last say. I'm curious
how bad the noise is going to be. My 3MP S230 is already quite
useless above ISO 100, now they made a 4MP with (maybe- don't know
that) an even smaller lens....

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[Tom@JHU]

Why not? I'm in similar situations as him and will most likely get this camera if there are no nasty surprises.

Now it is a good ide to come up with a new ultra-ultra compact
model. But to give it a 4MP sensor and no zoom- what does that tell
us ? I think that the marketing guys had the last say. I'm curious
how bad the noise is going to be. My 3MP S230 is already quite
useless above ISO 100, now they made a 4MP with (maybe- don't know
that) an even smaller lens....

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[LutherHeggs]

It's no joke, although for me to buy one it would have to have a wider lens (28, 32 or 35mm equiv max) with 0 distortion. I've been waiting for a pocket camera just like this with a GOOD lens, 2.8 apeture (2.0 would be nice too).

Image quality is the determining factor - the colors mean squat (as long as it's not day-glo pink or lime green)

Now it is a good ide to come up with a new ultra-ultra compact
model. But to give it a 4MP sensor and no zoom- what does that tell
us ? I think that the marketing guys had the last say. I'm curious
how bad the noise is going to be. My 3MP S230 is already quite
useless above ISO 100, now they made a 4MP with (maybe- don't know
that) an even smaller lens....

 

[Peter Wardley-Repen]

My first thought was:
"This looks like a good replacement for my Olympus Epic".

Shawn

There's a coincidence - my first thought was "This looks like a good replacement for my Rollei 35S." In my pocket, if not in my heart; I've had the dear little thing for over 25 years and I'm not getting rid of it (tirelessly reliable, and with the best lens I've ever used, bar none), but this could be the excuse I've been looking for to give it a graceful and well-earned (semi-) retirement.

And check out that waterproof case - bet they'll sell a few of those in Wales. Not to mention Manchester, Seattle, etc...



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[Ron Parr]

Now it is a good ide to come up with a new ultra-ultra compact
model. But to give it a 4MP sensor and no zoom- what does that tell
us ? I think that the marketing guys had the last say. I'm curious
how bad the noise is going to be. My 3MP S230 is already quite
useless above ISO 100, now they made a 4MP with (maybe- don't know
that) an even smaller lens....

Perhaps you don't understand the market. If people are willing to pay $250 for Sony's 2MP U50, then why not $100 for a lighter camera with 4MP? It has a similar sensor the Oly C750, which isn't a fantastic performer, but seems to be more than adequate for snapshots and a definite step up from 2MP.

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