Reproducing colors from another camera/LUT

[The Hat]

While Fujifilm camera simulation are generally nice and a good starting point working in LRc with raw, as strange it can sounds, sometimes i really prefer the colors from my oppo x6 pro (1 inch sensor and hasselblad profile) in "pro" mode it has great deep red and hard blacks while shadows are still opened, really what i can call Hasselblad colors... While for sure the phone miss dynamic range compared to my xh2, in controlled light really that colors shines.

Now my question: having a xrite colorcheker, or maybe starting from two raws file from the same scene, how would you proceed to match the two files and producing a preset/lut to mimic that oppo look?

Thx

 

[BeatX]

I'm not sure if You will find answer in this forum section. But I'm pretty sure there are lot of competitive folks in Retouching forum section, who have knowledge to answer Your question:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/1006

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[Morris0]

I'm not sure if You will find answer in this forum section. But I'm pretty sure there are lot of competitive folks in Retouching forum section, who have knowledge to answer Your question:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/1006

Good advice.

ACR (Adobe Camera RAW) is the common RAW processor for both Lightroom and Photoshop. The place you access the Fuji Film Sims, you can access all of Adobe's RAW profiles and the collection is growing. You can hover your cursor over each profile and see what your photo will look like using it. Possibly you will find one you like.

Morris

 

[michaeladawson]

While Fujifilm camera simulation are generally nice and a good starting point working in LRc with raw, as strange it can sounds, sometimes i really prefer the colors from my oppo x6 pro (1 inch sensor and hasselblad profile) in "pro" mode it has great deep red and hard blacks while shadows are still opened, really what i can call Hasselblad colors... While for sure the phone miss dynamic range compared to my xh2, in controlled light really that colors shines.

Now my question: having a xrite colorcheker, or maybe starting from two raws file from the same scene, how would you proceed to match the two files and producing a preset/lut to mimic that oppo look?

Thx

I'm not sure exactly as I have never tried. One question would be how much time you want to invest in this.

Without doing any reading to find a simpler way, I would start with the Adobe Profile Editor. The profile editor allows you to take the colors that are on the Color Checker and move them to what you want and save that as a profile that can be used in Lr. Then in Lr I would start with that profile and edit other things like the tone curve, contrast, etc. to get what you want. Then save that off as a preset.

 

[Erik Baumgartner]

I make custom profiles using the DPR test scene. Starting with the DPR test scene RAW shot with the camera you want to mimic (the Oppo, in this case), apply the desired color profile/processing to it, and then try to reproduce as closely as possible using the test scene shot with the second camera - best to start with an Abode profile (I usually use Adobe Color) as, that way, your new custom profile will usable with any camera. There's a bit of trial and error, but you can usually get very, very close (with some experience). I generally start with the tone curve to get all monochrome color checker squares at the correct brightness and then move on to the HSL sliders - they're all interactive so this can take a bit of fiddling about. I try to get as close as possible with the Tone Curve and HSL sliders, but most of the other Lightroom adjustments can be used to make a profile as well (the Calibration panel cannot). When you get everything right, save all the settings as a preset and experiment with it using real world images and tweak as necessary. Once you're satisfied, the preset can be saved as a new profile using ACR (Lightroom doesn't have this functionality, but once created in ACR, the new profile appears in LR automatically). When applied, unlike a preset, all the adjustment sliders will be unaffected and will start in their center/neutral positions (if you haven't already adjusted any yet).




A custom profile applied to a Sony A7III file to mimic my custom Fuji profile (applied to a Fuji file). Not perfect, but very close.

 

[1000DTL]

Affinity Photo2 allows you to create LUTs from jpg images. I haven’t tried RAW files. I plan to used my color checker and record all the different film sims in one of my Fuji cameras to create LUTs and import into Expsosure X7. Exposure already has some Fuji film sims but I want to add more. I have imported 10 LUTs from VSCO into my Panasonic G9ii which allows you to import up to 10 custom LUTs in addition to their standard color profiles. I can shoot Fuji film sims on the G9ii now. I want to create a LUT of Panasonic’s “Leica Monochrome” so I can import that into Exposure X7.

I would like to see Fuji bodies allow you to import custom LUTs like Panasonic does.

 

[The Hat]

Yes, i was looking at something more "technical" some sw/app where load my dng/jpeg from oppo and color match the Fujifilm RAF to that, may be shooting the colorcheker with both.

 

[The Hat]

Oh, i wasn't aware of Adobe profile editor, I will look on it. Thx

 

[The Hat]

Oh, that's sound good, maybe you can test if it can create LUT starting from raw ?

But it's Not that clear for me.

So you shoot the color checker let's say in astia or eterna, or velvia, etc.. AP2 create a lut knowing the "real" color checker colors..

But applying this lut to another JPG from another camera (so not starting from a "base" pic but from an already processed file with some color profile applied, etc) how you can get a valid results?

 

[The Hat]

Just saying, this is a "standard" jpeg coming from oppo, actually I can't post more significative pics from this set, but i have similar photos from both oppo and xh2 and i have to say, even after 15min in LRC still i prefer the standard oppo (Hasselblad) profile

 

[michaeladawson]

I'm not sure how picky you are. Nothing wrong with that either. I'm very picky myself.

In my opinion you will never be able to create a perfect match at home. Even Adobe, with all their technical equipment can't create exact matches for all the camera brand profiles. They get very, very close though.

Spending 15 minutes on trying to create your Oppo6 look with a Fujifilm image is not sufficient. I would recommend a process similar to what Erik B described. You need to test any new custom profile with different scene types. Then go back and make changes.

You should be able to get quite close given enough effort. But it will never match what comes out of your Oppo6. In the end it will all depend on how picky you are.

 

[1000DTL]

Oh, that's sound good, maybe you can test if it can create LUT starting from raw ?

But it's Not that clear for me.

So you shoot the color checker let's say in astia or eterna, or velvia, etc.. AP2 create a lut knowing the "real" color checker colors..

But applying this lut to another JPG from another camera (so not starting from a "base" pic but from an already processed file with some color profile applied, etc) how you can get a valid results?

That is what I am going to test. I need to shoot all base pictures at the same time with a known white balance color temperature. Then create the LUTs in AP2.
My work flow is to shoot in RAW and then process my RAW files in PureRaw4 to create DNG files with lens and noise correction done. I import the DNGs into Exposure X7 for final edits. Exposure has hundreds of film simulations including the standard Fuji ones. I shoot with different camera brands so with this process, I can get the same “look” regardless of the camera I use. I mainly use the Provia simulation but sometimes use something different if the image supports it.

 

[Paulmorgan]

While Fujifilm camera simulation are generally nice and a good starting point working in LRc with raw, as strange it can sounds, sometimes i really prefer the colors from my oppo x6 pro (1 inch sensor and hasselblad profile) in "pro" mode it has great deep red and hard blacks while shadows are still opened, really what i can call Hasselblad colors... While for sure the phone miss dynamic range compared to my xh2, in controlled light really that colors shines.

Now my question: having a xrite colorcheker, or maybe starting from two raws file from the same scene, how would you proceed to match the two files and producing a preset/lut to mimic that oppo look?

Thx

The color checker will not be of much use for creating particular looks.

The color checker produces a standard so it will be useful as a starting point, ie your mixing in different brands of camera.

Developing a pre-set would be better.

I was once a fan of Konica film and I created a pre-set but since I was using both M4/3 and fuji I first needed to create a standard, this was where the color checker came into play.

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