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It's natural for people to come to forums like this looking for answers to problems, but sometimes I feel the art, craft and sheer joy of printing can be under represented overall. Prompted in part by Mark McCormick's recent positive post I was wondering how we might see more of that. Here is one contribution to that thought..

Post in this thread your last print that gave you some joy and if you wish something about it. Don't worry overly about the quality of the picture, or your picture of the print. I deliberately choose snap in the title. This isn't a print or equipment competition. Instax, dye-sub, laser, inkjet it doesn't matter which.

The point is I printed this image and it made me smile doing it!

If your worrying about being judged or find your inner critic starting to fuss too much about selection just print the last thing you printed. I'll start there..
 
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This picture was taken later in the day in Autum so light levels were dropping. Holding this in my hands takes me right back to a happy time. I have a panoramic crop focusing more on the bridge, but this native ratio shows how Japanese gardening borrows the surrounding landscape.

It's printed on A2 Hahnemuhle Fine Art Photo Rag Satin using my Canon Pro-1000. I like how FA Photo Rag Satin feels in the hand and the coating stands somewhere between a Matt and Glossy paper. The satin sheen changes subtly depending on the light angle, giving denser blacks than you typically find in many matt papers. Complimenting the magic of the scene. The slight curl in the sheet is a result of it being cut from a roll. It cost £2.84 in ink.
 
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I would have inserted my Monday 19x13in print on Hahnemuhle FineArt Baryta Satin from a sample pack. It is amazing and the sheen is so beautiful that I look for it rather than hide it. Unfortunately the upper corners got smudged in the printer. I cannot look at them so I am going to frame it to hide imperfections. With frames lying around the cost is zero:-). Total cost? A 24in roll of the Hahnemuhle paper will set me back for around 200EUR. Anyway, I was going to buy some warm, high DMax paper in big format so the incremental cost is, again, zero:-). All in all, no costs, just benefits.

Instead, something completely different...

Awagami Kozo Thin White panorama on 43x21cm to be inserted into an album. At 160 μm and 70 gms the paper is thin (though there are thinner, even semi-transparent from Awagami). This makes it easy to print and economical to store in albums. Red tint comes from a crazy-red lamp in the corner.
Awagami Kozo Thin White panorama on 43x21cm to be inserted into an album. At 160 μm and 70 gms the paper is thin (though there are thinner, even semi-transparent from Awagami). This makes it easy to print and economical to store in albums. Red tint comes from a crazy-red lamp in the corner.
 
This i a small old lighthouse in the Netherlands that I captured at dusk - the exact moment that lighthouse light and vanishing ambient light where in balance.

Printed on Epson Premium Gloss paper, on my P900 printer.
This is a print where glossy paper really shines, which doesn’t happen to often.

It makes me say .. wow that I can print this quality at home …
I’m a happy printer ..



Lighthouse Lauwersmeer, the Netherlands
Lighthouse Lauwersmeer, the Netherlands
 

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I print a lot and really enjoy seeing my images on paper rather than the screen. This was one of my latest prints that I liked enough to enter it in the annual Elden Murray competition. 12" x 18" on 13" x 19" foam board.

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Feel free to retouch any photograph I post in these forums. They probably need it. :)
 
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I had these printed, I hope that counts.

Previous to the order, I made my own test print to see if the photos fit the wall, and had a proof print done by the lab to verify colors. Then I ordered these three acrylic gallery prints.

This little bird was my office companion for one spring. He kept visiting my office window every few minutes and watched me work. He soon learned that I didn't pose any danger, on the other side of the window. And after a few days, he wasn't even scared by my big macro lens, either. I like to think we became friends in a way.
 
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I had these printed, I hope that counts.
It's a print and it sparks joy. I think it counts.

The viewing position is also nice compared to my tightly cropped print picture.
Previous to the order, I made my own test print to see if the photos fit the wall, and had a proof print done by the lab to verify colors. Then I ordered these three acrylic gallery prints
This little bird was my office companion for one spring. He kept visiting my office window every few minutes and watched me work. He soon learned that I didn't pose any danger, on the other side of the window. And after a few days, he wasn't even scared by my big macro lens, either. I like to think we became friends in a way.
The harmonius colours make it a really nice triptych. With both this and George's bird I was reminded of advice from a good macro photography book I have about the importance of background colours in relationship to the subject.

The story is a nice example of how prints can be personally transportive. Back in the moment.
 
I print a lot and really enjoy seeing my images on paper rather than the screen. This was one of my latest prints that I liked enough to enter it in the annual Elden Murray competition. 12" x 18" on 13" x 19" foam board.

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I find no reason to disagree with the judge George. Lovely print.

What foam board do you use? I'm always wondering about good low costs ways to mount long panoramics that would provide sufficient support, whilst being thin enough to have a small stack stood up on a shelf that would allow you to shuffle a new one to the front periodically. I've considered foam board but never got round to trying it. It doesn't help that I'm out in the country and I wonder how well they would survive postage.
 
I would have inserted my Monday 19x13in print on Hahnemuhle FineArt Baryta Satin from a sample pack. It is amazing and the sheen is so beautiful that I look for it rather than hide it. Unfortunately the upper corners got smudged in the printer. I cannot look at them so I am going to frame it to hide imperfections. With frames lying around the cost is zero:-). Total cost? A 24in roll of the Hahnemuhle paper will set me back for around 200EUR. Anyway, I was going to buy some warm, high DMax paper in big format so the incremental cost is, again, zero:-). All in all, no costs, just benefits.

Instead, something completely different...

Awagami Kozo Thin White panorama on 43x21cm to be inserted into an album. At 160 μm and 70 gms the paper is thin (though there are thinner, even semi-transparent from Awagami). This makes it easy to print and economical to store in albums. Red tint comes from a crazy-red lamp in the corner.
Awagami Kozo Thin White panorama on 43x21cm to be inserted into an album. At 160 μm and 70 gms the paper is thin (though there are thinner, even semi-transparent from Awagami). This makes it easy to print and economical to store in albums. Red tint comes from a crazy-red lamp in the corner.
Oh Awagami. It's been a long time since I tried their paper. I think I have some sheets left somewhere and you are prompting me to try them out. It would make a nice change from thick Fine Art papers. Any print advice on their thin papers beyond the obvious ones of using their recommended settings and profile?

Your point about economical storage makes perfect sense. Like the old woodblock print albums. I couldn't get my head around how you were fitting a panoramic into an album though? It's late so I am perhaps missing something.
 
This i a small old lighthouse in the Netherlands that I captured at dusk - the exact moment that lighthouse light and vanishing ambient light where in balance.

Printed on Epson Premium Gloss paper, on my P900 printer.
This is a print where glossy paper really shines, which doesn’t happen to often.

It makes me say .. wow that I can print this quality at home …
I’m a happy printer ..

Lighthouse Lauwersmeer, the Netherlands
Lighthouse Lauwersmeer, the Netherlands
Thanks for posting Ruud. Great example of an image that lends itself to the home print studio. Allowing you to get the colours just right.
 
I print a lot and really enjoy seeing my images on paper rather than the screen. This was one of my latest prints that I liked enough to enter it in the annual Elden Murray competition. 12" x 18" on 13" x 19" foam board.

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I find no reason to disagree with the judge George. Lovely print.

What foam board do you use? I'm always wondering about good low costs ways to mount long panoramics that would provide sufficient support, whilst being thin enough to have a small stack stood up on a shelf that would allow you to shuffle a new one to the front periodically. I've considered foam board but never got round to trying it. It doesn't help that I'm out in the country and I wonder how well they would survive postage.
Thanks for the kind words!

I use Elmers acid-free foam board purchased at Walmart. I would not use it for anything long-term as it tends to warp if not supported. Gator board is supposed to be much better, but it is not inexpensive. I did do a trial with gluing (with normal wood glue) a 1/2 inch wooden frame to the back of a 19" x 27" foam board which prevented any warping. It has held up well for more than a decade. Still, I frame anything I want to keep. This competition is on display at an unattended gallery in a public library, and I consider anything I hang there to be disposable.

I have seen photographers at craft fairs and farmers markets that just have a box of prints on foam board for sale. These are usually smaller sizes which obviously would not warp as much as a 13" x 19" or larger.

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George
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Feel free to retouch any photograph I post in these forums. They probably need it. :)
 
This i a small old lighthouse in the Netherlands that I captured at dusk - the exact moment that lighthouse light and vanishing ambient light where in balance.

Printed on Epson Premium Gloss paper, on my P900 printer.
This is a print where glossy paper really shines, which doesn’t happen to often.

It makes me say .. wow that I can print this quality at home …
I’m a happy printer ..

Lighthouse Lauwersmeer, the Netherlands
Lighthouse Lauwersmeer, the Netherlands
This photo is just gorgeous! And the framing and mat are perfect. Well done!

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Feel free to retouch any photograph I post in these forums. They probably need it. :)
 
As I received my first pack of double A4 paper fron fotospeed last week I decided to finally give it a try.




El bocinegro + montana roja / El Medano, Tenerif






Retiro park of Madrid



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According to the result I can confidently print this on the XP15k




Not too shaby for an entry level 4 dye inks printer

Now when I said that this printer is giving me troubles with A4 (I don't see that on 4x6 oO)




streaks all along ...



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1. Regarding fitting panoramas into an album...

I was looking for a solution for over a year and I came up with springback binders. You can put, take out or reshuffle print in an album at any time. To see how they work, go to:
  • Permajet Snapshut albums - costly but the largest of all (up to A3+), I believe they offer 12x12in option as well, I read they were available on Amazon from time to time some time ago
  • fairklemmt.de - sizes up to A3, lovely, wow and 50% of Permajet price for A3 (A4s available on Etsy, from the website they will ship to Germany and maybe Austria only so I had to use some middlemen services located in Germany to get it here
  • some others in UK and Germany, usually up to A4
In most cases horizontal binders make more sense than vertical ones.

I bought a bookbinding bone to crease the paper. It works great on most Awagami papers as they are thin but very strong (e.g. Inbe Thin, Kozo papers, double-sided Inbe Thick was not the cleanest fold). With that I can fit 21cm-by-anything panorama into A4 horizontal binder. You need something to cut the paper (trimmer or a knife-and-metal-ruler solution).

2. Regarding printing on Awagami

I only started using the papers a few months ago so not much experience.

First, I did not have problems to print A4 cut sheets from Awagami sample pack using the upper feed on my Epson p900.

Then I bought 17in roll of Inbe Thin to make an album (Awagami rolls are cost effective). My home-cut sheets were less than perfect. Too curled. Out of the first 5 sheets 3 went to hell (were torn inside the printer). Later my process improved but I still got 1-in-10 clearly uneven feeds into the printer. The culprit is Inbe Thin is very thin and A4 sheets are very light.

Slanting paper feed advice: put the paper horizontally i.e long-edge down into the upper printer feed. For example: if you want to print A4 vertical (horizontal) picture:
  • define the paper as A3 size horizontal (vertical)
  • set margins so that the A4 image is placed on the left (upper) half of the A3-defined paper
  • put A4 paper into the printer horizontally (long edge down into printer’s upper feed)
  • if settings seem complicated, use "Print preview" option in (Epson) driver. The option lets you see, before printing starts, the paper and the image exactly as they are/should be placed in the printer feed. In case of error, you can cancel printing and make corrections.
This solves uneven feed problems for Awagami papers. In fact it works for all papers, especially for small sizes and panoramas. The bonus is that it also solves problems with curled paper sheets cut from rolls. It appears that paper curled downwards from left to right side (in printer's upper feed) is less prone to ink smudges, paper folding inside the printer and possibly head strikes

Be careful on which side you print. My sample pack had an error on Kozo Thick White (if I remember). I could not believe it until I printed on the other (correct) side.

3. Putting into the album:

Paper grain:
Grain is important for album / book storage. Awagami specifies grain for almost all their paper sizes (unlike many other manufacturers). It is always long for Awagami rolls. You want the direction of paper grain to be horizontal when the print is in an album.

Fragility of papers:

First, Awagami papers are very strong. Even the semi-transparent ones are hard to tear. Check on YouTube what they want you to do with Kozo and Mitsumata Double-Layered. However, like most matte papers, Awagami are delicate and should not be touched frequently. I sprayed my first two albums with Hahnemuhle spray. It clearly helped Inbe Thin but the thin sheets swallowed the chemicals and warped a bit. Not perfect. Maybe my error. I think glassine does not suit the thin papers. Even so I might put glassine between the folded panorama sheets to guard against side-to-side friction.

It is a bit early for me to assess with confidence susceptibility to wear from frequent hand holding or touching. My guess is:
  • strong: Inbe Thin White, Kozo Murakumo Select (42gsm!), Kozo and Mitsumata Double-Layered (both semi-transparent, to be peeled away, effectively 30gsm)
  • medium: Kozo Thin/Thick, Bamboo 170/250
  • delicate: Inbe Thick (double sided), Bamboo 110
For albums the strong papers are optimal. Saying that I just bought Bamboo 110. I could not resist.

4. Final thoughts:

I have not written about print quality. The quality is fine. It is different. None of the papers is bright white but white versions should be white enough. Low contrast with subtle color transitions, some papers are great for BW, sharpness may be lacking for some. The papers are not good for architecutre, I read somewhere. They should be great for landscapes with greens and yellows and portraits.

Compared side by side with European / American papers... they are meh. No DMax. Yellowish. On their own you may find them very impressive depending on the subject.

When you hold them in your hand, you can feel and smell the real paper. This works great for albums.

Last advice: buy an inexpensive sample pack or two.
 
It's natural for people to come to forums like this looking for answers to problems, but sometimes I feel the art, craft and sheer joy of printing can be under represented overall. Prompted in part by Mark McCormick's recent positive post I was wondering how we might see more of that. Here is one contribution to that thought..

Post in this thread your last print that gave you some joy and if you wish something about it. Don't worry overly about the quality of the picture, or your picture of the print. I deliberately choose snap in the title. This isn't a print or equipment competition. Instax, dye-sub, laser, inkjet it doesn't matter which.

The point is I printed this image and it made me smile doing it!
If your worrying about being judged or find your inner critic starting to fuss too much about selection just print the last thing you printed. I'll start there..
I LIKE the idea of this thread, and would follow it as time permits. My printing craft is still very much under development so I'm not sure that my efforts would be in the same class of many of the other posters, but I would look forward to seeing the efforts and ideas of others. I am a firm believer in the printed result - to hold in my hand or hang on the wall.

The word "snap" may have different connotations. It could be as in snap-shot, a quick pic of a family event maybe not so carefully planned out. Or snap as is a snap decision - don't think about it, just do it. What did you have in mind?

I guess if I was to post a print that I enjoyed I might have to use my cell phone to capture that image for posting (yuck).

Peter
 
It's natural for people to come to forums like this looking for answers to problems, but sometimes I feel the art, craft and sheer joy of printing can be under represented overall. Prompted in part by Mark McCormick's recent positive post I was wondering how we might see more of that. Here is one contribution to that thought..

Post in this thread your last print that gave you some joy and if you wish something about it. Don't worry overly about the quality of the picture, or your picture of the print. I deliberately choose snap in the title. This isn't a print or equipment competition. Instax, dye-sub, laser, inkjet it doesn't matter which.

The point is I printed this image and it made me smile doing it!
If your worrying about being judged or find your inner critic starting to fuss too much about selection just print the last thing you printed. I'll start there..
I LIKE the idea of this thread, and would follow it as time permits. My printing craft is still very much under development so I'm not sure that my efforts would be in the same class of many of the other posters, but I would look forward to seeing the efforts and ideas of others. I am a firm believer in the printed result - to hold in my hand or hang on the wall.

The word "snap" may have different connotations. It could be as in snap-shot, a quick pic of a family event maybe not so carefully planned out. Or snap as is a snap decision - don't think about it, just do it. What did you have in mind?

I guess if I was to post a print that I enjoyed I might have to use my cell phone to capture that image for posting (yuck).

Peter
Taking a quick snap of something we printed is how I understood the goal of the thread.

As you mentionned I think we could learn some things about matting/hanging in this thread too.
 
It's natural for people to come to forums like this looking for answers to problems, but sometimes I feel the art, craft and sheer joy of printing can be under represented overall. Prompted in part by Mark McCormick's recent positive post I was wondering how we might see more of that. Here is one contribution to that thought..

Post in this thread your last print that gave you some joy and if you wish something about it. Don't worry overly about the quality of the picture, or your picture of the print. I deliberately choose snap in the title. This isn't a print or equipment competition. Instax, dye-sub, laser, inkjet it doesn't matter which.

The point is I printed this image and it made me smile doing it!
If your worrying about being judged or find your inner critic starting to fuss too much about selection just print the last thing you printed. I'll start there..
I LIKE the idea of this thread, and would follow it as time permits. My printing craft is still very much under development so I'm not sure that my efforts would be in the same class of many of the other posters, but I would look forward to seeing the efforts and ideas of others. I am a firm believer in the printed result - to hold in my hand or hang on the wall.

The word "snap" may have different connotations. It could be as in snap-shot, a quick pic of a family event maybe not so carefully planned out. Or snap as is a snap decision - don't think about it, just do it. What did you have in mind?

I guess if I was to post a print that I enjoyed I might have to use my cell phone to capture that image for posting (yuck).

Peter
Taking a quick snap of something we printed is how I understood the goal of the thread.

As you mentionned I think we could learn some things about matting/hanging in this thread too.
re: matting/hanging, I published my preferred method for picture framing here:

https://www.aardenburg-imaging.com/adhesive-free-picture-framing/

The method lends itself nicely to folks who have access to large format printers, but it can also be implemented with a "smallish" ;-) 13 or 17 inch wide printer as well. I hope folks reading this thread may find some value in the article.

cheers,

Mark

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I LIKE the idea of this thread, and would follow it as time permits. My printing craft is still very much under development so I'm not sure that my efforts would be in the same class of many of the other posters, but I would look forward to seeing the efforts and ideas of others. I am a firm believer in the printed result - to hold in my hand or hang on the wall.

The word "snap" may have different connotations. It could be as in snap-shot, a quick pic of a family event maybe not so carefully planned out. Or snap as is a snap decision - don't think about it, just do it. What did you have in mind?
Hi Peter, the latter - snap decision. I meant don't let the inner critic about the image, the picture of the print, whether its framed or how its hung result in you not posting.
I guess if I was to post a print that I enjoyed I might have to use my cell phone to capture that image for posting (yuck).
 

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