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Move to another brand and then everyone is satisfied and we can ALL be happy. :-)

I was not 100% happy with my last car, not because it was not good, on the contrary, it was great, but because it doesn't suit the requirements that I now require and so I have sold it and moved to another brand.

Simple, no big deal, move on, get on with life. No bitching, whining and gnashing of teeth. It's not the car's fault, nor the car makers fault, but things have changed and that is the gamble I took when I purchased it. No good that I get upset at the car maker for not making the car that I want or want it to do now. Much easier for me to go to the mountain than trying to bring the mountain to me.

Now before you all go off and say; "but I invested in all these lenses from Pentax hoping that one day Pentax would do what I want", well that is the risk you took. Never invest in something hoping that they it will do what you want at some future date rather than doing what you want now or doing what the other brand does now.

Just get over it. Deal with it.
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Go Lance go!! :-)

Between us (see http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036&message=26485208 ) I'm sure we can get them out of here... ;-)

But wouldn't things become a bit boring? Ok back to picture posting, but I cannot see any of the pictures sharing sites anymore from work. So these tech babble threads are all I have to fill in the quiet moments of the day... :-(

I saw that you expect your K20D in Feb already (as Brett mentioned in the other thread)? I preordered, but haven't heard any ETA yet. Hope it won't interfere with my April planning...

cya!!

Wim

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Nothing more pathetic then people moaning about the features of the new cameras. Either put up or shut up. Adults should know better and not act like a bunch of kids!
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Couldn't agree more... Someone else mentioned on another forum that 1/3 of Canon's advertising budget is equal to Pentax's sales for last year*, yet people expect Pentax to spend enough on R&D to meet everyones requirements.. its crazy.. Pentax can't possibly live up to these expectations..

Unfortunately now we will see the fanboy insults begin in this thread?
  • I haven't confirmed the accuracy of these numbers but based simply on sales that we all can see, Pentax's R&D expenditure could in no way meet Canon's or Nikon's..
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If this board turned into one big Pentax $ick pulling affair.

Really, it's healthy discussion IMHO and shows folks are keen to stay with the brand if possible, what wrong with that?

Apart from anything else it's an excellent source of free market research for the marketing guys.

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Lance B said:
Move to another brand and then everyone is satisfied and we can ALL
be happy. :-)
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Great post !

What's funny is people who complain about Pentax not making a camera that meets their needs, but who refuse to switch to a brand that does. They keep shooting with Pentax cameras that aren't intended to do what they want and (here's the funniest part), they call other Pentax shooters fanboys or apologists! That's really hilarious!

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tc333 said:
Nothing more pathetic then people moaning about the features of the
new cameras. Either put up or shut up. Adults should know better and
not act like a bunch of kids!
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I can understand being not totally overjoyed with certain features, but those doing the complaining start out by acting as if it ruins the entire camera for ANY shooting, no matter what, and then go on and on as if it were a personal insult to them that the camera isn't perfect for THEIR use. Mention that it's fine for your uses, and they come back with, "It's all about you."

I'm still looking for my perfect camera: something like a MF, but not square, and capable of gving me life scale macros and shots of the moon at its dimmest without changing a lens or a setting. Not mention that it must be light enough to allow easy panning, have a battery that gives at least 4,500 frames, a memory card that holds 15,000 or more frames, and have PC sync, plus on-board flash with a guide number of 200, and let's not forget, 5, 10, 15, 20, 25 and 30 FPS, and...

Oh, yeah. Let's not forget REAL mirror lock-up, and simplicity enough that a three year old can use it, while it is waterproof enough to withstand the kid's drool. ;)

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Lance, I respect your opinion, but disagree. If your Doctor, having the ability and technology to "get your diagnosis right" fails to do it, you may die prematurely. For this he should be rewarded and praised for getting part of it right? If you accept a failure to deliver now, that is what you will get in the future too. The AF system is due for a major upgrade, has been for a long time, and has been a very major request here for ages. I am thrilled about the better ISO, great IQ (we guess, at this point) and some of the other great features, but the AF could have been done too, and should have. I would gain no comfort if your Doctor reminded me that you "looked good" when you died.
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Lance B said:
Move to another brand and then everyone is satisfied and we can ALL
be happy. :-)
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Unless they are willing to release high quality glass ofcourse.

Better advice would be to stick with what they have and await the next genreation.
Development cycles show that the K30D will be here around june/july 2009.

It will be presentd as a cheaper alternative for those that consider the higher specced KxD, to be released end 2008, probably early 2009 too expensive and complicated.
Oh, and no "doom" posts inbetween.

Haven't you realized that many, if not most of the "doom and gloomers" after the K10D announcement (and Ds and DL and etc etc) are still around???
And still shooting happily?

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Lance B said:
The difference between genius and LBA is that genius has its
limits.
  • Janneman ( adaptation of the Kings quote from Albert Einstein)
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Rupert60 said:
Lance, I respect your opinion, but disagree. If your Doctor, having
the ability and technology to "get your diagnosis right" fails to do
it, you may die prematurely. For this he should be rewarded and
praised for getting part of it right? If you accept a failure to
deliver now, that is what you will get in the future too. The AF
system is due for a major upgrade, has been for a long time, and has
been a very major request here for ages. I am thrilled about the
better ISO, great IQ (we guess, at this point) and some of the other
great features, but the AF could have been done too, and should have.
I would gain no comfort if your Doctor reminded me that you "looked
good" when you died.
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Your analogy is a touch weird: I have never heard of a single person dying prematurely because of a camera that lacked a feature.

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I'm not even going to mention which side I fall on (the K20 is the greatest thing since sliced bread or its a piece of trash that isn't' worth the material its made out of) but extremists on both sides of the argument are quite frankly getting annoying.

It blows me away that you either have to be 100% on board with what Pentax is doing (or just keep your mouth shut) or your expected to leave the Pentax community(from the "fan boy" point of view)? On the other side of the coin just because Pentax didn't come out with exactly what you want that isn't a reason to bash all the people who like the camera and are happy with it.

It is OK for both sides of the coin to admit that there are good and bad things with the K20. Its OK to admit that even though your mostly very happy with it that you'd like to see some of the features other makes have. It is OK to say that even though it is exactly what you where looking for that its a step in the right direction and that even know the most useful features for your shooting style aren't there, that the ones they did implement will help.

For the most part we don't all know each other.. I don't know anyone personally on these forums (and I lurk more then post) but we do come to know each other in a way. I think we have one of, if not the best forum community around. So it disappoints me to see some of our more respected members act they way they have. Although I'm replying to your message lance this isn't really directed at you.. but this thread did give me the motivation to actually reply to all this drivel. I don't appreciate people trying to tell me (one way or the other) what I have to think.

If I choose to stay with Pentax and express any dissatisfaction too bad.. if I choose to stay because I think the K20 is the perfect camera and I express those feelings.. too bad. For everyone that thinks because you have a different opinion your an idiot that doesn't' deserve to ever take a photo again fill in blank :).
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janneman02 said:
Haven't you realized that many, if not most of the "doom and
gloomers" after the K10D announcement (and Ds and DL and etc etc) are
still around???
And still shooting happily?
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The whiners are the most loyal customers - they're the one that really don't want to change brands, they just want their chosen brand to not only be the best, but have all the best features of the competition :-)
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Charlie Self said:
Rupert60 said:
Lance, I respect your opinion, but disagree. If your Doctor, having
the ability and technology to "get your diagnosis right" fails to do
it, you may die prematurely. For this he should be rewarded and
praised for getting part of it right? If you accept a failure to
deliver now, that is what you will get in the future too. The AF
system is due for a major upgrade, has been for a long time, and has
been a very major request here for ages. I am thrilled about the
better ISO, great IQ (we guess, at this point) and some of the other
great features, but the AF could have been done too, and should have.
I would gain no comfort if your Doctor reminded me that you "looked
good" when you died.
--
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Your analogy is a touch weird: I have never heard of a single person
dying prematurely because of a camera that lacked a feature.

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Charlie Self
http://www.charlieselfonline.com
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Charlie, you get what you accept. There are no boundaries, it could be your camera, your Doctor, your Space Shuttle, or your car. It is all the same, if you will accept something inferior, you will be easy to please, well liked by those that service you and always just a little below standards yourself. Works for some, but not for most.

'This is more serious than I thought.....but it is still fun!
http://www.pbase.com/rupertdog Take a look- It's Free!
 
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