Newbies Not Allowed

[MacGuyver]

Forgive my impertenance but it seems as though this site is an exclusive site for experts only. I have noticed that the posts with the most replies belong to the "in" crowd of only the best. Newbies get no (or little) notice to there inquirees(sp). 127 Replies to drug adicts..come on. Is there that much to say on the quallity of the shot or the composision. I may not be good at taking pictures but I am trying to learn and every time I pose a question it is pushed to the bottom of the forum with the same disregard as the local high school nerd at the homecoming game. Just look at the main Olympus SLR talk forum page and you will see what I mean. Please give us newbees a break.
Respectfully
Don"MacGuyver"Price

 

[koo22]

Hi, Don. I'm no expert, and believe me, there are many more of us here than "experts". It happens on any forum though, where the old-timers get to know each other and there will be more posts. Regarding the "dope addicts" thread....that was/is a hot topic, and if you read all the posts, it veered off in many different directions, many of which had NOTHING to do with the topic. That happens here every once in awhile, then it dies down. Sometimes I think we NEED this to happen once in awhile. But now I'm veering off the topic. What were your questions? I don't think anyone here ignored you intentionally or because you're a "newbie". More likely we were too involved in the HOT TOPIC. Anyway, sorry about that. WELCOME, and please don't feel left out (that's not a nice feeling). K.

Forgive my impertenance but it seems as though this site is an
exclusive site for experts only. I have noticed that the posts with
the most replies belong to the "in" crowd of only the best. Newbies
get no (or little) notice to there inquirees(sp). 127 Replies to
drug adicts..come on. Is there that much to say on the quallity of
the shot or the composision. I may not be good at taking pictures
but I am trying to learn and every time I pose a question it is
pushed to the bottom of the forum with the same disregard as the
local high school nerd at the homecoming game. Just look at the
main Olympus SLR talk forum page and you will see what I mean.
Please give us newbees a break.
Respectfully
Don"MacGuyver"Price

 

[MacGuyver]

Well.actually K., out of my 10 or so posts, you have answered most of them and thank you for that as well as the welcome. Mac

 

[robert conn II]

I hear ya brother.

I was wondering the same thing myself. Then I got involved in it and found out....it's addictive. It's like the Jerry Springer show for photographers. I think that it is also a way for people to blow off steam. Don't worry...it'l blow over and everything will be back to normal. But even when it is normal there are usually not very many posts for begginers- intermediate. I have an idea, two actually.

1. All the bigshots on these boards. Post a tip of the day. I did this for DigitalFoto.com and it was a great success. Talk about 1 subject and explain it step by step so it is understood. There is a lot of expertice on these boards...lets start sharing it instead of just answering questions as they come.

2. E10 day. I really liked E10 day, but I had hoped it would have developed into somthing better. Instead of picking a subject to photograph. Pick an aspect of photography to work on. This way people wont just go looking for flowers or shadows to shoot but will learn one of the many skills needed in photography. Instead of specifics...pick topics like textures...or lighting...or composition...etc.
If this sounds good to anyone let me know...I have a lot of my past tips saved.

~ Robert
http://www.digitalportraits.homestead.com/home.html

 

[Paul Sumi]

Don,

As a relative newcomer I find there is a certain amount of truth to what you say. I think part of it is because the long time posters had already gone through the "newbie" questions at least a few times and have moved on to new topics. Thus we newcomers are in "catch up mode." I read a lot of old threads to see if my questions have already been discussed.

And, as others in this thread have mentioned, there are established connections and people tend to look for their friends or the long time posters. This is natural in any group.

I guess my advice is to keep asking, keep posting and joining in threads, and show us all some terrific photography. This forum is a terrific resource. There are a lot of people here who have certainly made me feel welcome and I am sure they will do the same for you.

Paul

Forgive my impertenance but it seems as though this site is an
exclusive site for experts only. I have noticed that the posts with
the most replies belong to the "in" crowd of only the best. Newbies
get no (or little) notice to there inquirees(sp). 127 Replies to
drug adicts..come on. Is there that much to say on the quallity of
the shot or the composision. I may not be good at taking pictures
but I am trying to learn and every time I pose a question it is
pushed to the bottom of the forum with the same disregard as the
local high school nerd at the homecoming game. Just look at the
main Olympus SLR talk forum page and you will see what I mean.
Please give us newbees a break.
Respectfully
Don"MacGuyver"Price

 

[Tan35125]

Forgive my impertenance but it seems as though this site is an
exclusive site for experts only.

Not quite, but like any other net forum, discussions can get dominated or hijacked by the more vocal, or by fellas who just have to have the last word in. You'd realise that it's only a handful of people generating the bulk of the posts there (no offence guys).

I have noticed that the posts with
the most replies belong to the "in" crowd of only the best. Newbies
get no (or little) notice to there inquirees(sp).

That's not true you know. I hope you don't give up. If your questions are well phrased, you will certainly get good advice.

127 Replies to
drug adicts..come on. Is there that much to say on the quallity of
the shot or the composision.

As said, that's a rather unusual discussion that went totally off tangent. It's atypical of the usual more mundane discussions.

I may not be good at taking pictures
but I am trying to learn and every time I pose a question it is
pushed to the bottom of the forum with the same disregard as the
local high school nerd at the homecoming game.

That's just how unmoderated forums get. Yes, it's a con of the system, but you have to either take it or leave it. There are great advantages to this system as well.

Hang in there. Most people are helpful.

Just look at the
main Olympus SLR talk forum page and you will see what I mean.

Controversial OT posts come and go. It's not typical, but not unusual either.

Please give us newbees a break.

Take it easy. Post if you have anything to ask.

 

[Don Christolear]

Forgive my impertenance but it seems as though this site is an
exclusive site for experts only. I have noticed that the posts with
the most replies belong to the "in" crowd of only the best. Newbies
get no (or little) notice to there inquirees(sp). 127 Replies to
drug adicts..come on. Is there that much to say on the quallity of
the shot or the composision. I may not be good at taking pictures
but I am trying to learn and every time I pose a question it is
pushed to the bottom of the forum with the same disregard as the
local high school nerd at the homecoming game. Just look at the
main Olympus SLR talk forum page and you will see what I mean.
Please give us newbees a break.
Respectfully
Don"MacGuyver"Price

Hey Don,
I like your name
Been there, done that! The NO POST thing.
I'm no pro and I don't play one on T.V.

I've seen Jaja, and maybe even Brian Mackey...naaahhh, give a post without a reply.
Welcome.
Don

BTW, If I can't get anybody to reply, I just reply to myself. ;-))) I hate that little red star!!!

 

[Jason Busch]

MacGuyver,

I sincerely welcome you and other new E-10 owners. I made a post earlier last night about posting, said "newbies take note". I didn't mean this offensively. What I actually meant, was that certain posts got out of hand and new forum members would hopefully not take that route.

Make no mistake. I welcome you, your E-10, and your questions. Sometimes I don't answer as much because I don't want to give the wrong answer and have it come back in my face. This happens anyway, so god help us!

I was new about 5 months ago, and I still feel somewhat new, because I learn new things every week with this camera.
Welcome aboard!

Jason Busch

 

[Jaja]

Hello MacGuyver,

I'm not a "pro", just a (to) passionated amateur ...
Don't jump to conclusions to fast ))

We all don't forget one thing: we all have been "novices" and "newbies" and this forum was a great help in the E-10 "starting" days and still is ...

I general, this is a very helpfull forum with a lot of friendly people ready to give you the answers to your questions.

It's important to ask the question as "concrete" as possible. In that way it's much more easy to give a correct/concrete answer.

Regarding myself, I just had the 3 most hectic days of my life so I've been around here just a small time in that periode.
Now, my hollidays have started - oops and I will be out taking photos ))
Fire those questions, and I'm sure you will get a decent reply ...
So, welcome and enjoy your E-10 ...

Jaja
http://www.belgiumdigital.com

Forgive my impertenance but it seems as though this site is an
exclusive site for experts only. I have noticed that the posts with
the most replies belong to the "in" crowd of only the best. Newbies
get no (or little) notice to there inquirees(sp). 127 Replies to
drug adicts..come on. Is there that much to say on the quallity of
the shot or the composision. I may not be good at taking pictures
but I am trying to learn and every time I pose a question it is
pushed to the bottom of the forum with the same disregard as the
local high school nerd at the homecoming game. Just look at the
main Olympus SLR talk forum page and you will see what I mean.
Please give us newbees a break.
Respectfully
Don"MacGuyver"Price

 

[Jono Slack29833]

Hi Don

sorry - I guess that it's true - one looks for old friends, but I think that most of us do try to look in and answer questions where we can.

Of course, the other thing is lots of us (myself included) aren't experts anyway - we just have big mouths!

Whatever - you - and everyone else - is extremely welcome here.

The only thing I would say, is that the more you join in, the more response you'll get.

kind regards
jono slack

http://www.slack.co.uk

Forgive my impertenance but it seems as though this site is an
exclusive site for experts only. I have noticed that the posts with
the most replies belong to the "in" crowd of only the best. Newbies
get no (or little) notice to there inquirees(sp). 127 Replies to
drug adicts..come on. Is there that much to say on the quallity of
the shot or the composision. I may not be good at taking pictures
but I am trying to learn and every time I pose a question it is
pushed to the bottom of the forum with the same disregard as the
local high school nerd at the homecoming game. Just look at the
main Olympus SLR talk forum page and you will see what I mean.
Please give us newbees a break.
Respectfully
Don"MacGuyver"Price

 

[Jaja]

Hello Jono,

You forgot to mention you're the "chicken" expert over here ... ))

Jaja
http://www.belgiumdigital.com

Of course, the other thing is lots of us (myself included) aren't
experts anyway - we just have big mouths!

Whatever - you - and everyone else - is extremely welcome here.

The only thing I would say, is that the more you join in, the more
response you'll get.

kind regards
jono slack

http://www.slack.co.uk

Forgive my impertenance but it seems as though this site is an
exclusive site for experts only. I have noticed that the posts with
the most replies belong to the "in" crowd of only the best. Newbies
get no (or little) notice to there inquirees(sp). 127 Replies to
drug adicts..come on. Is there that much to say on the quallity of
the shot or the composision. I may not be good at taking pictures
but I am trying to learn and every time I pose a question it is
pushed to the bottom of the forum with the same disregard as the
local high school nerd at the homecoming game. Just look at the
main Olympus SLR talk forum page and you will see what I mean.
Please give us newbees a break.
Respectfully
Don"MacGuyver"Price

 

[Ger Bee]

Darn?

Was going to say somthing and now I've forgotten???

 

[Rich16740]

Don, I "semi-agree" with what you say. I got my E-10 a couple of weeks ago and I needed some help on taking better pictures. I posted a picture and got one reply. Maybe I didn't post an interesting enough picture.(My grandson,who is my best model) I do see a lot of responses to pictures that peek the interest of the heavy posters. I don't think I will post anymore pictures until I get one that I think people will respond to. I will continue to read the posts and try to learn from them. I find a lot of info from this site and I'm not upset that I didn't get 99 responses. Happy shooting. Rich

 

[William C]

Experts, wrong about that. I believe the E-10 in about a year
old and there are owners that have the camera longer than you.
They have been at it longer than you and have learned
the ins and out of the camera.

Here is some guideline that might help you to get a reply.

See if it has been ask before, do a search. Make sure
you are not asking the same question over and over again.

If you want some to review you pictures, there are many other
forums and websites that can give you the proper attention.

Make it easy for a person review your work. I lost count how
many times I seen people post their travel pictures and
ask for people to review them. I skip it when I realize
it they have a hundred pictures.

If you have question and has not received the attention
you feel it deserves. Posted again but make message's subject
is phrase in way that will attract attention. Just do not over do it.

Lastly have a thick skin.

Bottom line is, what you are complaining about, happens
in all forums.

Bill

Forgive my impertenance but it seems as though this site is an
exclusive site for experts only. I have noticed that the posts with
the most replies belong to the "in" crowd of only the best. Newbies
get no (or little) notice to there inquirees(sp). 127 Replies to
drug adicts..come on. Is there that much to say on the quallity of
the shot or the composision. I may not be good at taking pictures
but I am trying to learn and every time I pose a question it is
pushed to the bottom of the forum with the same disregard as the
local high school nerd at the homecoming game. Just look at the
main Olympus SLR talk forum page and you will see what I mean.
Please give us newbees a break.
Respectfully
Don"MacGuyver"Price

 

[Brian Mackey]

Rich I dont think your staement is true, you got several replies to several of your posts...

Taking the I wont post anymore until, attitude wont help you, it's like cutting your nose of to spite your face.

Post, Post, Post, ALLOT good, bad whatever, so people can get to know you, your style, the results you desire etc.. You also need to say more than, how do I make this better?

(I know I did it several times too, but I have been here a long time and people know me and what Im looking for.)

We dont care if the picture Sucks, or is Awesome, this is not a PRO forum, Althought some would have it that way. I post pictures of My daughter all the time, I dont ask for critique, cause I dont care if no one likes it, if the love it then I have made them smile too I do ask for critique when Im trying to spark something up in photoshop whichs make me crazy, or in the printing end.
closing, the more you ask, and post the more you will recieve..

hmmm that sound like an old, uh, nevermind you know what I mean.

regards, Ps I have to say, I agree with one thing William C said, ONE thing, that is, if you didnt get a reply, post it again...

welcome aboard and have fun..

Don, I "semi-agree" with what you say. I got my E-10 a couple of
weeks ago and I needed some help on taking better pictures. I
posted a picture and got one reply. Maybe I didn't post an
interesting enough picture.(My grandson,who is my best model) I do
see a lot of responses to pictures that peek the interest of the
heavy posters. I don't think I will post anymore pictures until I
get one that I think people will respond to. I will continue to
read the posts and try to learn from them. I find a lot of info
from this site and I'm not upset that I didn't get 99 responses.
Happy shooting. Rich

 

[Tan35125]

Don, I "semi-agree" with what you say. I got my E-10 a couple of
weeks ago and I needed some help on taking better pictures. I
posted a picture and got one reply. Maybe I didn't post an
interesting enough picture.(My grandson,who is my best model) I do
see a lot of responses to pictures that peek the interest of the
heavy posters. I don't think I will post anymore pictures until I
get one that I think people will respond to. I will continue to
read the posts and try to learn from them. I find a lot of info
from this site and I'm not upset that I didn't get 99 responses.
Happy shooting. Rich

Forgive me for saying this but that's just insecurity on your part. Think about this: why should you care what other people think if you like your own picture? That's all that should matter.

Conversely, if other people do not think your picture worth commenting, why should they have to think otherwise? Not everyone shares a similar taste in things, and then, in matters of taste, there is no right or wrong.

As long as you're happy, that's all that matters.........

I think you might want to examine WHY it is that you even want to post a picture. If its to solve a technical problem, I bet you'd elicit a fair amount of help. But if your post is to elicit a critique on its aesthetics, IMHO, you're better off judging it yourself.

If your post is to share a nice picture (or what you think is a nice one), then be prepared that no one may it's interesting to THEM, enough to say anything. But that shouldn't matter to YOU should it?

 

[Kelly Vann]

William has some good advice there. If it's a technical issue you want advice on then do a search of the forum and read the results thoroughly. Nine times out of ten you will get your answer that way. One other tip that I offer with some reservation simply because it's something that should not be abused. If you have exhausted all the resources of the 1) E-10 manual... rtfm, and 2) all forum searches on the subject, then find a poster that you think has some real specific knowledge on the topic and drop him/her a line by e-mail. I did that just the other day. I was totally confused about the IR mechanism of the camera, searched all the posts, read them, found disparate opinions, honed in on one person who seemed to know the most and sent him an e-mail. Not only did Dave answer my question but very graciously and professionally gave me in-depth advice on wedding shoots... totally unsolicited. There really are great and helpful people here. You just need to consider their time and energies, be polite, be concise when you phrase your queries, and mostly "stay-tuned to this channel"... don't give up. Again, I want to emphasize... I will not e-mail someone directly unless I have exhausted ALL resources available to me and I still have not come up with the answer. Be judicious and thoughtful in doing this. So there's my $.02 FWIW. Regards, Kelly

Forgive my impertenance but it seems as though this site is an
exclusive site for experts only. I have noticed that the posts with
the most replies belong to the "in" crowd of only the best. Newbies
get no (or little) notice to there inquirees(sp). 127 Replies to
drug adicts..come on. Is there that much to say on the quallity of
the shot or the composision. I may not be good at taking pictures
but I am trying to learn and every time I pose a question it is
pushed to the bottom of the forum with the same disregard as the
local high school nerd at the homecoming game. Just look at the
main Olympus SLR talk forum page and you will see what I mean.
Please give us newbees a break.
Respectfully
Don"MacGuyver"Price

 

[Clif48131]

MacGuyver,

First of all, are you that guy that can make a thermonuclear device out of a nickel, two old car batteries, and a box of baking soda? If so, I would like to sincerely apologize for anything I may say that offends you.

I in no way wish to discount your experience but I would like to offer another case example. As another newbee, my experience has been very different. I realize that I am asking questions that have been asked before and/or often off the subject matter of this forum. In almost all cases, I have been helped within 24 hours by posts on this site or by direct emails. I have posted a pic or two that did not get much response but I figured that since I didn't ask for a review, folks just looked (or not) and moved on.

I agree that searching through old threads is helpful but I have at times still posted my question because I wanted to hear what Jaja, Ron, Brain and the rest of the "experienced" group had to say.

My main concern for this forum is that it may slowly disband if Olympus comes out with an E-11 or whatever. This is the best forum I have been a part of (no flames, high tolerance, much information, quick response). A good example: I had questions about monitors so Tom Meeks made a test gif for me to check out monitor performance and emailed it to me. I think that is going the extra mile.

Just wanted to add my perspective. Keep posting. I have many of the same questions you do but few answers at this point.

Clif

Forgive my impertenance but it seems as though this site is an
exclusive site for experts only. I have noticed that the posts with
the most replies belong to the "in" crowd of only the best. Newbies
get no (or little) notice to there inquirees(sp). 127 Replies to
drug adicts..come on. Is there that much to say on the quallity of
the shot or the composision. I may not be good at taking pictures
but I am trying to learn and every time I pose a question it is
pushed to the bottom of the forum with the same disregard as the
local high school nerd at the homecoming game. Just look at the
main Olympus SLR talk forum page and you will see what I mean.
Please give us newbees a break.
Respectfully
Don"MacGuyver"Price

 

[Jason Busch]

Clif,

I should be around for a long time. I'm not trading my E-10 in for the new one that comes out. However, I will just buy the new on outright! I think the E-10, in the future, will be an excellent back-up camera to whatever I may get in the future. For now, the E-10 does everything I want it to.

Jason Busch

 

[TonyK_in_Texas]

I don't post sometimes because the topic has already been covered. Another is that by the time I get home, posts have moved to other pages and I don't go down to far. If I did, I'd get nothing done.

Thanks though for speaking your mind. We were all "new" here at one time and we have to remember to welcome new people to this group.

So, Don... WECOME to the Olympus SLR area.

Tony

Forgive my impertenance but it seems as though this site is an
exclusive site for experts only. I have noticed that the posts with
the most replies belong to the "in" crowd of only the best. Newbies
get no (or little) notice to there inquirees(sp). 127 Replies to
drug adicts..come on. Is there that much to say on the quallity of
the shot or the composision. I may not be good at taking pictures
but I am trying to learn and every time I pose a question it is
pushed to the bottom of the forum with the same disregard as the
local high school nerd at the homecoming game. Just look at the
main Olympus SLR talk forum page and you will see what I mean.
Please give us newbees a break.
Respectfully
Don"MacGuyver"Price