My D70 initial Report

Guilherme Orcutt

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This is long text but can be interesting for those who are thinking in upgrade their Fuji to a DSLR.

When I was looking for a DLSR camera there were only three possible options, the D70, the Rebel and the 20D. First I started to look for full sized samples here and there, as picture quality, for me, was and still is the real important feature on a camera. Looking at Steve’s web site samples of the Rebel and the D70 I was convinced that a Canon would be my next camera. I hated the image quality of the D70 comparing it with the Rebel samples. So much noise and the full sized crops were so harsh, the Rebel samples were showing a so smoother image, almost no noise at all. So I narrowed my choices to the Rebel and the 20D. The 20D appeared to be the perfect choice, full featured camera, 8MP CMOS sensor, fast startup and focusing system, but at the end, very expensive. I knew that I would need an extra lens, not a high end Canon glass, but maybe a nice Sigma 70-300. Oh, an external flash also. Doing the math… out of my budget. It would be the camera or a happy marriage. My last choice, the Digital Rebel. So I started looking for nice samples of the 300D. There are tons of fantastic samples of that camera all around the Internet. Great pictures, buttery smooth images, and a camera that proved to be a great player, almost two years on the market and several happy owners. Oh, the Russian hack that adds some needed functionalities and the fantastic ISO 3200, the dream cam.

So I went to the shop to give it a nice look before buying it. I have to say that I got a little disappointed. Almost 2 seconds for the camera to startup, but a fast focus, at least compared with the S7000. A bit of hunting on moving subjects, but still a very fast and responsive focus system. But the absence of spot metering was making me think twice before buying the camera. The 20D suffers from this same problem. I can’t understand why Canon didn’t add spot metering to these cameras. And there was another little problem, the camera built quality. Our Fujis has a really better built quality, then a saw the D70 on the shelf. WOW, what a darn solid camera, plastic, but heavy, bulky, a very solid camera. It didn’t seem to be plastic really, maybe some other better material. The Rebel is like a toy side by side with the D70. So I decided to give another chance to the D70. Back home I started to look again for some samples of the D70. Please, don’t take me wrong, the Rebel doesn’t look and feel like a cheap camera, no way, it’s a nice camera but compared with the D70, it has a clear cheaper built quality.

Looking again for the D70 samples I found some unprocessed images showing that I was wrong about the D70 image quality. All that horrible images that I saw at Steve’s web site didn’t has anything to do with the new samples that I was looking at. The Rebel images were still smother then the D70 samples, but the colors were so nice, the pictures ware so sharp and detailed, even more detailed then the Rebel samples, it seems that the D70 sometimes can show more noise because it produces slight shaper images than the Rebel. The camera has so more features, a faster flash sync, a superb light metering system, instant startup, lighting fast focus, the kit lens seems to be also better then the lens that comes with the Rebel, a nice internal flash, a wonderful this and that, many bells and whistles, so I decided to stop that torture and buy the camera. There are also tons of happy D70 owners, I couldn’t go wrong. I knew that if I bought the Rebel sooner or later I would regret, I would miss a faster flash sync and also lots of the features present on the D70. Ken Rockwell that may not be the #1 photographer on earth, but a pro and a top of the list name likes the camera, so I really couldn’t go wrong. At the same time I sold three pictures, I never thought that I would sell pictures some day. That money helped me with the decision of getting the more expensive D70 in place of the Rebel. Now I still need to buy a 70-300 Sigma glass, 58mm IR, UV, ND, and polarizer filters, a nice flash gun, my Nikon SB22 needs to be retired, and a bag for the camera. For now my S7000 has been dislodged. Lots of money yet to be spent.

I hope I didn’t bore you too much. My first impressions of the camera are on the next post, reply of this one.
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Best regards,
Guilherme

My photo album: http://www.maccocker.com.br/gallery

 
When the box arrived, I was astonished, it is a quite larger box then the Fuji’s, everything very well packaged. The quality begun to show up with that package. Everything out of the box, lens attached, battery charged, and voila, I never though that I could take such bad pictures :) It’s a completely different world, the camera is heavy, bulky, with a larger lens one’s hand can get really tired after some dozens shots. I think this is a not really bad, with a heavy camera it’s easy to use slow speeds and not shake; inertia. Don’t think that the D70 is a good choice for shooting parties :)

I noticed that the viewfinder is a bit dark. The problem is not really with the camera or the viewfinder, but with the lens, the kit lens doesn’t have a very bright glass, it starts in f/3.5. It could be better, but in my first shots I couldn’t see any CA or too much distortion on the full zoom range, and I also could notice that all the images come out very sharp. You need to be aware that I didn’t have the time to deeply test the camera, so everything here is based on a first look only. For us, used with the 6X/10X zoom Fuji cameras lens, the kit lens can also be very disappointing talking about reach. The kit lens is an 18~70mm lens that can be translated to 27~105mm in 35mm numbers, not really fantastic, an extra glass is a must. There is a Sigma 28~200mm and a 28~300mm glass that I want to give a look one of these days.

The focus is very fast; in some situations it can lock focus almost instantly. The continuous focus is also very fast. The light metering system is wonderful. Spot and center weighted measuring areas width can be selected through the menu. I found to be much more difficult to shoot a picture with the wrong exposure with the D70 comparing with the S7000. Initially the pictures seem to be underexposed but I believe that the camera does its best to not blow the highlights. Anyway, there is the custom tone adjustment, where you can load a custom curve to be used with the camera. I downloaded the “Photogenetic Point and Shoot” curve that increase the midtones, the picture comes out bright and clear, without blown highlights. This is a very nice feature. BTW, this feature is only available using the Nikon Capture software that doesn’t come with the camera. Mine is a legacy from the time I had the Coolpix 5400. I didn’t test the software that comes with the camera, everybody says it is useless.

Looking at some pictures I took today I could see that almost every picture can be used without any PP, yes, no PP at all, there is no visible color cast, the pictures are quite sharp, noise is a non issue, even in ISO 1600. In ISO 1600 there is noise, but I don’t believe it’s too much visible in prints, and it’s barely visible in images sized for web.

The next two shots are from my mother in law dog. There is absolutely no PP on these pictures:





I know, these pictures don’t show too much, I’ll try better subjects next time.

As you can see clearly on the second shot, I have to get accustomed with the DOF provided by a DSLR. It’s very easy to miss a shot because of only parts of the subjects being in perfect focus. I’ll have to pay more attention on aperture using this camera :)

An odd thing comparing this camera with the S7000 is the very few information provided on the viewfinder. The S7000 shows every needed info on the viewfinder while shooting, the D70 lacks some info there. ISO is one of them. I think it’s a matter of getting used with the new equipment.

There are tons of adjustments for image quality, the default of most of them is AUTO. I changed everything to a fixed value, sharpen, color, etc. I don’t like the idea of the camera deciding how my picture will look like. At least for now, when I’m still getting used to it, I’ll let the settings like this.

Well, for now that‘s all folks. I’ll hope to take some pictures tomorrow, and some comparison shots between the S7000 and the D70.
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Best regards,
Guilherme

My photo album: http://www.maccocker.com.br/gallery

 
Thanks for the report.

Very interesting.

If I was going to move into a DSLR right now, it would be the D70.

That first dog photo is killer.

I'm sure once you get comfortable with your new D70, you are
going to be delivering some wicked shots.
You are a good photog already.... now you have the proper weapon
to accomplish the mission!

Happy shooting, soldier!

~ Mr. Mantis ~
 
Thanks for your in-depth reply, the D70 is my first choice for when I upgrade (July...?) and I trust your opinion more than many.

Interestingly, I find that my eye doesn´t like the Rebel shots so much. I am not sure why, I feel they lack the clarity of the D70.

Happy shooting, and be assured that my envy is great! ;)
 
Keep the words coming, Bob. I agree with 35 and Mantis. The shots of the dog are great, and the white of his fur looks wonderful in both (though he's kind of a geeky looking thing... :)

I look forward tot he day when we can share D70 pics.

Makes me wonder if Fuji folks read these posts and want to tear their hair out because all of us are looking elsewhere for our serious cams...

Hmmm... O_o

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shudder
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Hi Guilherme,

Is a very intersting "review" of the new D70.

Thank you for share with us.

The pictures looks great... very sharp.

Congratualtions for your new camera.

Regards.

Marcelo.
 
Hi Guilherme,

Thanks for you input. I will be wanting to see more of your pix guess I'll have to check out the D70 fourm. The camera takes nice pictures although I believe that the camera is the small part. Just another paint brush so to speak. The pictures come from inside as you well know. So your paint brush has a bit finer and faster bristles. Have fun with the new cam.
Happy New Year.
dp
This is long text but can be interesting for those who are thinking
in upgrade their Fuji to a DSLR.

When I was looking for a DLSR camera there were only three possible
options, the D70, the Rebel and the 20D. First I started to look
for full sized samples here and there, as picture quality, for me,
was and still is the real important feature on a camera. Looking at
Steve’s web site samples of the Rebel and the D70 I was convinced
that a Canon would be my next camera. I hated the image quality of
the D70 comparing it with the Rebel samples. So much noise and the
full sized crops were so harsh, the Rebel samples were showing a so
smoother image, almost no noise at all. So I narrowed my choices to
the Rebel and the 20D. The 20D appeared to be the perfect choice,
full featured camera, 8MP CMOS sensor, fast startup and focusing
system, but at the end, very expensive. I knew that I would need an
extra lens, not a high end Canon glass, but maybe a nice Sigma
70-300. Oh, an external flash also. Doing the math… out of my
budget. It would be the camera or a happy marriage. My last choice,
the Digital Rebel. So I started looking for nice samples of the
300D. There are tons of fantastic samples of that camera all around
the Internet. Great pictures, buttery smooth images, and a camera
that proved to be a great player, almost two years on the market
and several happy owners. Oh, the Russian hack that adds some
needed functionalities and the fantastic ISO 3200, the dream cam.

So I went to the shop to give it a nice look before buying it. I
have to say that I got a little disappointed. Almost 2 seconds for
the camera to startup, but a fast focus, at least compared with the
S7000. A bit of hunting on moving subjects, but still a very fast
and responsive focus system. But the absence of spot metering was
making me think twice before buying the camera. The 20D suffers
from this same problem. I can’t understand why Canon didn’t add
spot metering to these cameras. And there was another little
problem, the camera built quality. Our Fujis has a really better
built quality, then a saw the D70 on the shelf. WOW, what a darn
solid camera, plastic, but heavy, bulky, a very solid camera. It
didn’t seem to be plastic really, maybe some other better material.
The Rebel is like a toy side by side with the D70. So I decided to
give another chance to the D70. Back home I started to look again
for some samples of the D70. Please, don’t take me wrong, the Rebel
doesn’t look and feel like a cheap camera, no way, it’s a nice
camera but compared with the D70, it has a clear cheaper built
quality.

Looking again for the D70 samples I found some unprocessed images
showing that I was wrong about the D70 image quality. All that
horrible images that I saw at Steve’s web site didn’t has anything
to do with the new samples that I was looking at. The Rebel images
were still smother then the D70 samples, but the colors were so
nice, the pictures ware so sharp and detailed, even more detailed
then the Rebel samples, it seems that the D70 sometimes can show
more noise because it produces slight shaper images than the Rebel.
The camera has so more features, a faster flash sync, a superb
light metering system, instant startup, lighting fast focus, the
kit lens seems to be also better then the lens that comes with the
Rebel, a nice internal flash, a wonderful this and that, many bells
and whistles, so I decided to stop that torture and buy the camera.
There are also tons of happy D70 owners, I couldn’t go wrong. I
knew that if I bought the Rebel sooner or later I would regret, I
would miss a faster flash sync and also lots of the features
present on the D70. Ken Rockwell that may not be the #1
photographer on earth, but a pro and a top of the list name likes
the camera, so I really couldn’t go wrong. At the same time I sold
three pictures, I never thought that I would sell pictures some
day. That money helped me with the decision of getting the more
expensive D70 in place of the Rebel. Now I still need to buy a
70-300 Sigma glass, 58mm IR, UV, ND, and polarizer filters, a nice
flash gun, my Nikon SB22 needs to be retired, and a bag for the
camera. For now my S7000 has been dislodged. Lots of money yet to
be spent.
I hope I didn’t bore you too much. My first impressions of the
camera are on the next post, reply of this one.
--
Best regards,
Guilherme

My photo album: http://www.maccocker.com.br/gallery

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http://www.pbase.com/djprov
 
Makes me wonder if Fuji folks read these posts and want to tear
their hair out because all of us are looking elsewhere for our
serious cams...
Well.... if the price of that new S3 comes down, we will stay
loyal to our own brand!

( The S3 is looking like one SERIOUS piece of hardware... )

~ Mr. Mantis ~
Fuji S5100
 
Your first shot of your mothers dog is superb. Very nicely done. I have been a owner of the S7000 since october of '03. It was my first serious attempt in photography. Between my honey moon, friends vacation, and a coworkers travel it has been to over fourty states, the virgin islands, bahamas, and Hawaii. With over 20 gig of my own personal pcitures the fuji has seldomly dissapointed me. However, I also fielt a drive to upgrade to DSLR. In November I purchased the D70 with two sigma lens. The 18-50mm f 3.5-5.6, and the 55-200mm f4-5.5 I never realy concidered the rebel. The feel has been quite flimsy from the first day that it was released. They did, at least, upgrade the lens mount and allow a larger variety to be used. As stated in the first post, the D70 gives you FULL versatility over the camera. Far surpassing the rebel. And, of course, the spot metering is excelllent. I love the fuji but found myself using the exposure lock all of the time. With the d70 I have yet to touch it. Just check the spot meter and adjust aperature and shutter to compensate. The hardest thing to grasp is how the depth of field changes when going to a dslr. The limited 3.5f can be a bit frustrating in doors with low light. My next purchase will deffinately be a dedicated 35mm with a f1.5-2 The D70 did a very nice job in laying out the controls. After a few hours of use, they all seem to become second nature. I especially liked the option to lock all focus settings. I just suggest ignoring the dynamic focus. Center weighted works much better. One more great feature is a lithium ion battery. This is a cue Fuji. I will gladly pay 34 dollars for a lithium ion battery that has delivered over 600 shots on the first charge. In fact, I changed the battery as a precaution only. The indiacator was still showing a quarter charge. Once again fuji listen. It is nice to have a battery indicator that works.
Is a very intersting "review" of the new D70.

Thank you for share with us.

The pictures looks great... very sharp.

Congratualtions for your new camera.

Regards.

Marcelo.
 
The shots look real good! I'm sure your going to have a lot of fun with the D70. I really can't complain about the Rebel, it has gave me many wonderful shots. I am going to be upgrading to the Canon 20D in in February. I have already bought the lenses, so it only makes sense at this point. I'm glad you held on to your Fuji. Mine is continuing getting a lot of use.

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Guilherme - many of us with S7000's (and other prosumers, presumably) must be thinking about DSLR's.

Thanks for the quality posting.

EasyEddy.
 
Hi Guilherme, Well if you dont know i too was looking for a dslr and was the D70 i wanted but at the time was a bit short on money so brought the S7000. Anyhow a few weeks ago i lashed out and brought the D70 and well the other get a bit left out now,LOL she says i think more of my D70 than her, i keep telling her she is dead right i do.HAHAHA

Anyhow i looked into lens as well and got the 18-70 kit lens but wanted something with a bit more reach and well they too are not cheap here in Australia, so i got a cheapy to start with 70-300 G F/4-5.6. i keep reading reports about these lenses but i am happy with it so far and i intend to get a 80-400VR when funds allow me too. I joined a forum here in Australia called d70users.com great bunch of people lots of help and so on. Come join us.

Anyhow mate i love this camera and well here is a few pics i took yesterday at the track with the 70-300 G.
Cheers
John
BBJ







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Hi Guilherme -

Unfortunately, I am unable to access your site for the photos (too high a demand?) - but I enjoyed your discussion of what you've experienced. I also am anxious to see what you can do with the D70 since I think your S7000 shots are terrific.

I've had my D70 for about a month and each day discover something new. Coming from a SLR background, I notice how much I missed their unique capabilities. However, I find it still a challenge to produce photos that I'm really happy with - could be that my standards are so much higher - that's probably a good thing.

I take alot of nature closeups and find that I have missed the DOF control so much with my Fujis. I don't want to impose on your thread, but below is an example of why I'm so happy with the D70 and why I'm anxious to do more and improve.

Have fun and have a Happy New Year.
Janet

 
Hi Guilherme, I'm glad to hear you're having fun with your new toy.

I must admit that although I still love my s7000, I'm starting to find a lot of occassions where it just won't cut the mustard. Since I got my Vivitar 283, I've been able to get decent shots indoors in low light, but the flash won't work for night scenes outside and that's where I'm noticing most of the problems. Noise has always been an issue with the s7000, but now I'm noticing an awful lot of hot pixels in long exposures as well, and that's getting to be very annoying.

I don't have the money at the moment to upgrade to a DSLR, although if Nikon announce a succsessor to the D70, maybe the price'll drop just enough to make it an essential purchase. I had been drooling over the Canon 20D, but I agree with you that the lack of spot metering is a definite minus for this camera.

Hopefully before the end of this year I'll have managed to make the leap to DSLR land, so I'll be keeping an eye on your posts and those of the other old Fujians who've moved up for tips and advice.
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Hi Guilherme,

This was a very interesting read. Your first post sounded like you had fallen for the marketing hype of the manufactures, but then you did the correct thing and picked up each camera. Having done the same, I rate all 3 cameras very close in image quality and nothing worth making a decision on. Now camera operation and features do set them apart as do the optics. I found the build quality of the 300D acceptable, but the kit lens is chap and it makes the camera feel like a toy. Put an L series lens on the 300D and it feels like a tank. The D70 comes with a mid tear AF-S lens and the difference is apparent. D70 images sharper than 300D images, I think it is the default sharpening setting that you are observing. No spot metering on Cannon, well this is a question of definition. Cannon implements spot metering the same way as Fuji, they measure the exposure at the center of the frame. Nikon measures just a few pixels. Both methods work 99% of the time, but as you have observed, Nikon’s matrix metering avoids blown highlights and Cannon’s causes them just like Fuji’s. The 20D is a full feature camera while the 300D and D70 are lack features such as mirror lock on the D70. The 300D dose not implement the full sweet of Cannon TTL flash. Dose this matter to most people, no.

Continuted...

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For me what sets the cameras apart most are the available lenses. Both Cannon and Nikon have 3 liens of lenses and there fairly similar in each line, but Cannon has more options and some very particular people might find the perfect lens for there likes in the Cannon line. For me I find the Nikon menu system much easier to navigate and this is very important when you need the feature that you only use a few times a year as you can find it on the Nikon, but it might be named something like Mode 2 on the Cannon. Now what the xyzzy is that Cannon? There is only one reason that I would purchase Cannon over Nikon, and that is the Cannon 100-400 IS. This lens focuses lightning fast on a 20D and is very well balanced. The Nikon 80-400 VR is slower and not as well balanced on a D70. The VR has the advantage of auto pan detection and I like that. I’d rather keep my eye on the ball and catch it than have to hit a switch.

In any case, best of luck with your new camera Guilherme. You are a talented photographer and will take fine photos with what ever camera is in your hands.

Morris

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Hi Mike,

What is it the 300D is not doing for you that makes you want the 20D?

Morris
The shots look real good! I'm sure your going to have a lot of fun
with the D70. I really can't complain about the Rebel, it has gave
me many wonderful shots. I am going to be upgrading to the Canon
20D in in February. I have already bought the lenses, so it only
makes sense at this point. I'm glad you held on to your Fuji. Mine
is continuing getting a lot of use.

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posts that may have been overlooked. Thanks!
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http://qcpages.qc.edu/~morris/POD
 
The D70 and the Nikon lenses/flashes are a GREAT system.

I went with the Canon 20D because of its feature set, which was appealing to me for specicfic applications, and after a lot of comparison.

There has been a lot of discussion on the 20D forum about spot metering compared to the D70, and the issue has been raised here in this thread, so I thought I would offer my two cents :)

The 20D offers metering options including a very small center weighted target, which, while not a true spot meter, is very useful and performs well. While the target on the D70 is smaller, the proof is in the pudding, and the jury was still out, the last time I checked.

The bottom line is that both cameras do a superb job of metering in nearly all situations, with partisan advocates on either side claiming superiority.

BTW, one can easily find the same partisan partialities between the two cameras in regard to resolution, focusing, need for PP, speed, noise, moire, reliability, lens QC at the forums! :D

Both great cameras, and prices are coming down :)
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Hi Jim, cool to see you have the vivitar flash , I use the 285 which is virtualy the same, I like to use a noise reduction program called noiseware, you can get the comunity (free) version at
http://www.imagenomic.com

give it a try. Ive always used an action for noise reduction ,and never bothered with standalone programs , but I kinda like this one.
all the best ...paul
Hi Guilherme, I'm glad to hear you're having fun with your new toy.
I must admit that although I still love my s7000, I'm starting to
find a lot of occassions where it just won't cut the mustard. Since
I got my Vivitar 283, I've been able to get decent shots indoors in
low light, but the flash won't work for night scenes outside and
that's where I'm noticing most of the problems. Noise has always
been an issue with the s7000, but now I'm noticing an awful lot of
hot pixels in long exposures as well, and that's getting to be very
annoying.
I don't have the money at the moment to upgrade to a DSLR, although
if Nikon announce a succsessor to the D70, maybe the price'll drop
just enough to make it an essential purchase. I had been drooling
over the Canon 20D, but I agree with you that the lack of spot
metering is a definite minus for this camera.
Hopefully before the end of this year I'll have managed to make the
leap to DSLR land, so I'll be keeping an eye on your posts and
those of the other old Fujians who've moved up for tips and advice.
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Jim R.
Dinna Touch!



http://dinnatouch.fotopic.net
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