MKII Setting the ISO Speed

[santa]

Do I understand this correctly from pg 47 of the manual, that in order to change the ISO speed you have to press two buttons at the same time on the left side of the camera? So I"m holding my telephoto lens and I have to press two buttons on the left side of the camera in order to change the ISO? I'm hoping there is some custom setting that will allow me to map another button or something. This is the second thing that smacks me as not-so-bright in terms of the ergonomics of the buttons. If there is some workaround please let me know. (but please don't bother listing reasons why this is just fine or why a person shouldn't care ) I'm sure I'm not the only photographer who changes his ISO relatively often and would prefer to be able to access that function with greater ease than needing to press two buttons at the same time prior to making an adjustment. Hopefully the solution to this will be as simple as my previous question.

 

[Teski]

I hated the two button operation myself at first when I got a 1D, but you get used to it.

Teski

Do I understand this correctly from pg 47 of the manual, that in
order to change the ISO speed you have to press two buttons at the
same time on the left side of the camera? So I"m holding my
telephoto lens and I have to press two buttons on the left side of
the camera in order to change the ISO? I'm hoping there is some
custom setting that will allow me to map another button or
something. This is the second thing that smacks me as not-so-bright
in terms of the ergonomics of the buttons. If there is some
workaround please let me know. (but please don't bother listing
reasons why this is just fine or why a person shouldn't care )
I'm sure I'm not the only photographer who changes his ISO
relatively often and would prefer to be able to access that
function with greater ease than needing to press two buttons at the
same time prior to making an adjustment. Hopefully the solution to
this will be as simple as my previous question.

 

[santa]

I was afraid I was going to hear that after unexpected good news on the diopter issue. karmic balance and all, I guess. stupid of Canon. stupid stupid stupid. unbelievably stupid. oh well. I'm sure I'll be able to manage but I'm also sure I will shake my head for as long as I use it and when I'm hand holding a telephoto I'm sure I'll curse that stupidity for a long time. did I mention, stupid?

Teski

Do I understand this correctly from pg 47 of the manual, that in
order to change the ISO speed you have to press two buttons at the
same time on the left side of the camera? So I"m holding my
telephoto lens and I have to press two buttons on the left side of
the camera in order to change the ISO? I'm hoping there is some
custom setting that will allow me to map another button or
something. This is the second thing that smacks me as not-so-bright
in terms of the ergonomics of the buttons. If there is some
workaround please let me know. (but please don't bother listing
reasons why this is just fine or why a person shouldn't care )
I'm sure I'm not the only photographer who changes his ISO
relatively often and would prefer to be able to access that
function with greater ease than needing to press two buttons at the
same time prior to making an adjustment. Hopefully the solution to
this will be as simple as my previous question.

--
CanonTenDee, 70-2hundred 2.8IS, 16-thirty5, 1hundred-300 5.6EL, 28-70 f3.5-
something, 1.4X, tc80EN3, and OneDeeMarque2 (soon)

 

[John-G]

When I'm shooting with the 1D I also change ISO a LOT* . At some sporting events I'm constantly changing it depending on conditions. I also constantly change back and forth between 3.5fps and 8fps which also requires the two-button routine.

I use 300/2.8, 70-200/2.8, 100-400, 200/1.8 and trust me, it is no problem... at all.

Give it a chance, you will find it second nature in no time.

Teski

Do I understand this correctly from pg 47 of the manual, that in
order to change the ISO speed you have to press two buttons at the
same time on the left side of the camera? So I"m holding my
telephoto lens and I have to press two buttons on the left side of
the camera in order to change the ISO? I'm hoping there is some
custom setting that will allow me to map another button or
something. This is the second thing that smacks me as not-so-bright
in terms of the ergonomics of the buttons. If there is some
workaround please let me know. (but please don't bother listing
reasons why this is just fine or why a person shouldn't care )
I'm sure I'm not the only photographer who changes his ISO
relatively often and would prefer to be able to access that
function with greater ease than needing to press two buttons at the
same time prior to making an adjustment. Hopefully the solution to
this will be as simple as my previous question.

--
CanonTenDee, 70-2hundred 2.8IS, 16-thirty5, 1hundred-300 5.6EL,
28-70 f3.5-
something, 1.4X, tc80EN3, and OneDeeMarque2 (soon)

 

[PeterL]

It becomes second nature. You don't think anything of it. Think of it like learning to drive stick.

I use 300/2.8, 70-200/2.8, 100-400, 200/1.8 and trust me, it is no
problem... at all.

Give it a chance, you will find it second nature in no time.

Teski

Do I understand this correctly from pg 47 of the manual, that in
order to change the ISO speed you have to press two buttons at the
same time on the left side of the camera? So I"m holding my
telephoto lens and I have to press two buttons on the left side of
the camera in order to change the ISO? I'm hoping there is some
custom setting that will allow me to map another button or
something. This is the second thing that smacks me as not-so-bright
in terms of the ergonomics of the buttons. If there is some
workaround please let me know. (but please don't bother listing
reasons why this is just fine or why a person shouldn't care )
I'm sure I'm not the only photographer who changes his ISO
relatively often and would prefer to be able to access that
function with greater ease than needing to press two buttons at the
same time prior to making an adjustment. Hopefully the solution to
this will be as simple as my previous question.

--
CanonTenDee, 70-2hundred 2.8IS, 16-thirty5, 1hundred-300 5.6EL,
28-70 f3.5-
something, 1.4X, tc80EN3, and OneDeeMarque2 (soon)

--
PeterL
http://www.yourphotoz.com

 

[Teski]

And the pros haven't made Canon change it yet. From my understanding, they want to make it more difficult to have accidental changes so they do the two button thing.

Teski

Teski

Do I understand this correctly from pg 47 of the manual, that in
order to change the ISO speed you have to press two buttons at the
same time on the left side of the camera? So I"m holding my
telephoto lens and I have to press two buttons on the left side of
the camera in order to change the ISO? I'm hoping there is some
custom setting that will allow me to map another button or
something. This is the second thing that smacks me as not-so-bright
in terms of the ergonomics of the buttons. If there is some
workaround please let me know. (but please don't bother listing
reasons why this is just fine or why a person shouldn't care )
I'm sure I'm not the only photographer who changes his ISO
relatively often and would prefer to be able to access that
function with greater ease than needing to press two buttons at the
same time prior to making an adjustment. Hopefully the solution to
this will be as simple as my previous question.

--
CanonTenDee, 70-2hundred 2.8IS, 16-thirty5, 1hundred-300 5.6EL,
28-70 f3.5-
something, 1.4X, tc80EN3, and OneDeeMarque2 (soon)

 

[Teski]

Is brand new to the 1 series and is getting this all from the online manual. He hasn't handled the camera yet, so he has not practical experience. Not knocking him, but just saying that it's hard to know what it's really like until you actually get the camera in your hand. I didn't think I'd like it either, but it does become second nature.

Teski

I use 300/2.8, 70-200/2.8, 100-400, 200/1.8 and trust me, it is no
problem... at all.

Give it a chance, you will find it second nature in no time.

Teski

Do I understand this correctly from pg 47 of the manual, that in
order to change the ISO speed you have to press two buttons at the
same time on the left side of the camera? So I"m holding my
telephoto lens and I have to press two buttons on the left side of
the camera in order to change the ISO? I'm hoping there is some
custom setting that will allow me to map another button or
something. This is the second thing that smacks me as not-so-bright
in terms of the ergonomics of the buttons. If there is some
workaround please let me know. (but please don't bother listing
reasons why this is just fine or why a person shouldn't care )
I'm sure I'm not the only photographer who changes his ISO
relatively often and would prefer to be able to access that
function with greater ease than needing to press two buttons at the
same time prior to making an adjustment. Hopefully the solution to
this will be as simple as my previous question.

--
CanonTenDee, 70-2hundred 2.8IS, 16-thirty5, 1hundred-300 5.6EL,
28-70 f3.5-
something, 1.4X, tc80EN3, and OneDeeMarque2 (soon)

--
PeterL
http://www.yourphotoz.com

 

[Masterdeath]

I agree and disagree.. They need to at least have a simple ISO setting.. If you WANT the 2 button and wheel change, thats fine, if you want a one button of some type.. you should be able to set it...

Teski

Teski

Do I understand this correctly from pg 47 of the manual, that in
order to change the ISO speed you have to press two buttons at the
same time on the left side of the camera? So I"m holding my
telephoto lens and I have to press two buttons on the left side of
the camera in order to change the ISO? I'm hoping there is some
custom setting that will allow me to map another button or
something. This is the second thing that smacks me as not-so-bright
in terms of the ergonomics of the buttons. If there is some
workaround please let me know. (but please don't bother listing
reasons why this is just fine or why a person shouldn't care )
I'm sure I'm not the only photographer who changes his ISO
relatively often and would prefer to be able to access that
function with greater ease than needing to press two buttons at the
same time prior to making an adjustment. Hopefully the solution to
this will be as simple as my previous question.

--
CanonTenDee, 70-2hundred 2.8IS, 16-thirty5, 1hundred-300 5.6EL,
28-70 f3.5-
something, 1.4X, tc80EN3, and OneDeeMarque2 (soon)

 

[Teski]

There's the Set button in the middle of the wheel that you can customize. I agree that it would be nice to have a wildcard button like that. But I wouldn't say the current design is Stupid, Stupid, Stupid. They've obviously consulted many working pros on this camera. So there's a reason it is the way it is.

Teski

Teski

Teski

Do I understand this correctly from pg 47 of the manual, that in
order to change the ISO speed you have to press two buttons at the
same time on the left side of the camera? So I"m holding my
telephoto lens and I have to press two buttons on the left side of
the camera in order to change the ISO? I'm hoping there is some
custom setting that will allow me to map another button or
something. This is the second thing that smacks me as not-so-bright
in terms of the ergonomics of the buttons. If there is some
workaround please let me know. (but please don't bother listing
reasons why this is just fine or why a person shouldn't care )
I'm sure I'm not the only photographer who changes his ISO
relatively often and would prefer to be able to access that
function with greater ease than needing to press two buttons at the
same time prior to making an adjustment. Hopefully the solution to
this will be as simple as my previous question.

--
CanonTenDee, 70-2hundred 2.8IS, 16-thirty5, 1hundred-300 5.6EL,
28-70 f3.5-
something, 1.4X, tc80EN3, and OneDeeMarque2 (soon)

 

[Dwayne Nelson]

LOL. I don't have mine yet, but I read the manual online and had the same impression. Why can't I change everything with one hand? LOL. Oh well, I'll get used to it.

Do I understand this correctly from pg 47 of the manual, that in
order to change the ISO speed you have to press two buttons at the
same time on the left side of the camera? So I"m holding my
telephoto lens and I have to press two buttons on the left side of
the camera in order to change the ISO? I'm hoping there is some
custom setting that will allow me to map another button or
something. This is the second thing that smacks me as not-so-bright
in terms of the ergonomics of the buttons. If there is some
workaround please let me know. (but please don't bother listing
reasons why this is just fine or why a person shouldn't care )
I'm sure I'm not the only photographer who changes his ISO
relatively often and would prefer to be able to access that
function with greater ease than needing to press two buttons at the
same time prior to making an adjustment. Hopefully the solution to
this will be as simple as my previous question.

 

[santa]

that's exactly the case - I have not owned a 1d and I'm used to changing the ISO with a simple push of a button and twirl of a dial. I realize I will get used to it. I'm used to wearing glasses and having a bad knee too. It's hard to imagine a two fingered operation being convenient. Like I said, I'm sure I'll manage but in simply reading through the manual both this and the diopter changing seem clearly more of a pain than with the 10D.

Teski

I use 300/2.8, 70-200/2.8, 100-400, 200/1.8 and trust me, it is no
problem... at all.

Give it a chance, you will find it second nature in no time.

Teski

Do I understand this correctly from pg 47 of the manual, that in
order to change the ISO speed you have to press two buttons at the
same time on the left side of the camera? So I"m holding my
telephoto lens and I have to press two buttons on the left side of
the camera in order to change the ISO? I'm hoping there is some
custom setting that will allow me to map another button or
something. This is the second thing that smacks me as not-so-bright
in terms of the ergonomics of the buttons. If there is some
workaround please let me know. (but please don't bother listing
reasons why this is just fine or why a person shouldn't care )
I'm sure I'm not the only photographer who changes his ISO
relatively often and would prefer to be able to access that
function with greater ease than needing to press two buttons at the
same time prior to making an adjustment. Hopefully the solution to
this will be as simple as my previous question.

--
CanonTenDee, 70-2hundred 2.8IS, 16-thirty5, 1hundred-300 5.6EL,
28-70 f3.5-
something, 1.4X, tc80EN3, and OneDeeMarque2 (soon)

--
PeterL
http://www.yourphotoz.com

--
CanonTenDee, 70-2hundred 2.8IS, 16-thirty5, 1hundred-300 5.6EL, 28-70 f3.5-
something, 1.4X, tc80EN3, and OneDeeMarque2 (soon)

 

[a person]

...that if you press both buttons, but then release one or the other, you can still change the ISO. In other words, you only have to HOLD the two buttons momentarily. You can sit and change the ISO for a long time afterwards just holding one button after that. But once you let go you have to push the two buttons again. Two buttons isn't really that bad- you get used to it really fast. Part of me wants to say- "you are complaining that you have to hit two buttons when you are lucky to be able to change the ISO on the fly?!" But I won't say that.

-Ken
--
http://www.kennethturley.com

 

[Teski]

I'm glad you didn't take offense to my comments. Some people here would have. It is more work on the 1 series, but like I said you won't really notice it once you've done it for a bit.

Teski

Teski

I use 300/2.8, 70-200/2.8, 100-400, 200/1.8 and trust me, it is no
problem... at all.

Give it a chance, you will find it second nature in no time.

Teski

Do I understand this correctly from pg 47 of the manual, that in
order to change the ISO speed you have to press two buttons at the
same time on the left side of the camera? So I"m holding my
telephoto lens and I have to press two buttons on the left side of
the camera in order to change the ISO? I'm hoping there is some
custom setting that will allow me to map another button or
something. This is the second thing that smacks me as not-so-bright
in terms of the ergonomics of the buttons. If there is some
workaround please let me know. (but please don't bother listing
reasons why this is just fine or why a person shouldn't care )
I'm sure I'm not the only photographer who changes his ISO
relatively often and would prefer to be able to access that
function with greater ease than needing to press two buttons at the
same time prior to making an adjustment. Hopefully the solution to
this will be as simple as my previous question.

--
CanonTenDee, 70-2hundred 2.8IS, 16-thirty5, 1hundred-300 5.6EL,
28-70 f3.5-
something, 1.4X, tc80EN3, and OneDeeMarque2 (soon)

--
PeterL
http://www.yourphotoz.com

--
CanonTenDee, 70-2hundred 2.8IS, 16-thirty5, 1hundred-300 5.6EL,
28-70 f3.5-
something, 1.4X, tc80EN3, and OneDeeMarque2 (soon)

 

[greentoe]

I was afraid I was going to hear that after unexpected good news on
the diopter issue. karmic balance and all, I guess. stupid of
Canon. stupid stupid stupid. unbelievably stupid. oh well. I'm sure
I'll be able to manage but I'm also sure I will shake my head for
as long as I use it and when I'm hand holding a telephoto I'm sure
I'll curse that stupidity for a long time. did I mention, stupid?

Canon has attempted to make the transition from film to digital as straightforward as possible, so they kept quite a bit of the older film body designs. Back then (remember the good old days?) it made more sense.

BTW, you have a time window after pressing buttons where you can release the button but still change the settings with either dial. Also, check out if there are any personal functions or uploadable changes where you can change that timer (some timers can be changed from factory default.)

-gt

 

[santa]

Picture yourself trudging through deep snow up a hill at -40F trying to get some nice picture of the Aurora ( I live up North as you might guess). You have big gloves on and some thin polypro gloves on beneath. To deal with dials and such you have to take off a glove, and shooting under those conditions is a pain with NO buttons to push. Any adjustments I make are awkward with any kind of glove. I use a remote quite a bit. I often end up taking off both gloves to do some chores but at -40F one can't do that for too long. (they don't really freeze off and rot from your hand from one minute's exposure, even at that temperature ) But in Arctic or even a good cold winter day, little things like this become a bit of a pain. I'll live with it I'm sure and with some luck I'll forget this is even an issue after I use the camera for some time. Just appears, at first blush, to be more of a pain than it needs to be.

...that if you press both buttons, but then release one or the
other, you can still change the ISO. In other words, you only have
to HOLD the two buttons momentarily. You can sit and change the
ISO for a long time afterwards just holding one button after that.
But once you let go you have to push the two buttons again. Two
buttons isn't really that bad- you get used to it really fast.
Part of me wants to say- "you are complaining that you have to hit
two buttons when you are lucky to be able to change the ISO on the
fly?!" But I won't say that.

-Ken
--
http://www.kennethturley.com

--
CanonTenDee, 70-2hundred 2.8IS, 16-thirty5, 1hundred-300 5.6EL, 28-70 f3.5-
something, 1.4X, tc80EN3, and OneDeeMarque2 (soon)

 

[DaveyP]

Picture yourself trudging through deep snow up a hill at -40F
trying to get some nice picture of the Aurora ( I live up North as
you might guess). You have big gloves on and some thin polypro
gloves on beneath. To deal with dials and such you have to take off
a glove, and shooting under those conditions is a pain with NO
buttons to push. Any adjustments I make are awkward with any kind
of glove. I use a remote quite a bit. I often end up taking off
both gloves to do some chores but at -40F one can't do that for too
long. (they don't really freeze off and rot from your hand from one
minute's exposure, even at that temperature ) But in Arctic or
even a good cold winter day, little things like this become a bit
of a pain. I'll live with it I'm sure and with some luck I'll
forget this is even an issue after I use the camera for some time.
Just appears, at first blush, to be more of a pain than it needs to
be.

Simple, just take your laptop with EOS remote capture installed up the mountain and you can change the ISO from the software assuming you have a 'glove friendly' mouse.....

J

 

[Gerhard Pinehurst]

I was VERY disappointed when reading the following at page 26:

"Never do the following while the access lamp is lit or blinking. Such actions may destroy the image data. It may also damage the memory card or camera.

• Shaking or banging the camera around."

Is the housing really that weak or can I shake and bang the camera when the access lamp is NOT lit or blinking? If so, can I bang it into a stone wall or am I limited to wooden surfaces? Headbanging?

G

 

[Monty Pass]

Do I understand this correctly from pg 47 of the manual, that in
order to change the ISO speed you have to press two buttons at the
same time on the left side of the camera?

.... man are you after taking on a big chunk of learning. See my post on the Nikon forum.

It does not exactly help you now, but it is a confidence boost for the future.

I know I cursed, even out loud when I came up against this Canon’s version of the Bermuda Triangle and needed a contortionist dexterity until the thing came second nature.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=8572713

Good luck and to quote a famous film line .. use the force, the force is with you!

 

[Monty Pass]

I was afraid I was going to hear that after unexpected good news on
the diopter issue. karmic balance and all, I guess. stupid of
Canon. stupid stupid stupid. unbelievably stupid.

.... is one cannot see the changes in the viewfinder in real time, it’s design lends itself to this and it seem so logical to use the two fingers and turn the wheel OK a big tele lens is a trick but then one cannot see the ISO change in the viewfinder.

IMO this is where the design really falls down, once one is used to the camera it is controllable in the dark or to the eye but only if the info is relayed, which it is not.

On other cameras one can change more things like the metering and mode while keeping the camera to one’s eye, not so with the 1D a fairly major omission IMO and one that extends the learning curve considerably and forced one to take one’s mind off the situation at hand and actually look at the damm camera.

My first quibbles with Nikon for instance was with the F5 what stupid idiot designed the F5 to need two hands to rewind the film for my money the downhill slope for Nikon was sealed at this point in time.
...

 

[Monty Pass]

Why can't I change everything with one hand?

LOL. Oh well, I'll get used to it.

... the F4 design was the pinnacle of SLR design IMO and has never been surpassed. It was completely configurable with the right hand and in most cases the left hand held the lens, it was IMO perfect.

Naturally technologies made the controls somewhat redundant and better metering and AF made changing setting less necessary but when the chips hit the fat the ease and simplicity of the F4’s controls are still awesome.

I still have and F4 and think my ideal camera would be the F4 body with no top plate LCD but otherwise a modern 1D style technologies and rear LCD the perfect marriage IMO for a working photographer.