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Mirrorless DSL seems to be the future. There is only one problem. Older people, let say from the age of 45, need glasses for reading. I myself, I can not read the buttons without glasses. Making photos with a camera and putting the glasses on and from my nose is a real problem. I really like the traditional viewfinder. I can see all essentials of my camera without using my glasses. And the butons, I can feel them. Its really fine taking pictures by only using the viewfinder. My camera has a LCD screen, but I hardly use it. I can not see anything without my glasses.

If Olympus is betting on mirrorless cameras, they will lose the older people as customer. And middle aged people have a lot of money to spend. I can not believe that Olympus want to lose this market.
 
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In fact, the EP2's EVF is probably a better solution for those of us who are in the reading glasses stage than an OVF. It can do varying degrees of data overlay to show you settings, live histogram, pretty much any view the rear screen can do.

And while it's not absolutely as precise as the E3's OVF, it's pretty darn close. Good enough to MF without using magnified view.
 
I'm a little confused.....people over 45 - or anyone who wears glasses can't use - or don't want a mirrorless camera?

I have the VF2 - but can see the LCD and the VF2 with the E-PL1.....and I can also see the buttons and the little print on my camera - and I'm well over 45. So what can't I see with "mirrorless?"

What am I missing here?

Thanks for any clarification! :-)

Maria
 
Just look at the Panasonic m4/3rds offerings.

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Marla said:
I'm a little confused.....people over 45 - or anyone who wears glasses can't use - or don't want a mirrorless camera?

I have the VF2 - but can see the LCD and the VF2 with the E-PL1.....and I can also see the buttons and the little print on my camera - and I'm well over 45. So what can't I see with "mirrorless?"

What am I missing here?
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Nothing. I'm 48 and blind without my glasses and switch back & forth between my E30 and E-PL1 fitted with the VF-2 electronic eyelevel finder easily. I rarely ever HAVE to manually focus, but I prefer manually focusing with the EPL-1 and VF-2.

Whatever Olympus winds up doing in terms of mirrorless cameras for the 4/3rd's lenses, you have to believe it's going to include a built-in electronic finder just like the Panasonic G series. There's no way I'd EVER use my 50-200 SWD on a camera that only offered a back LCD for viewing, especially when I also had an FL50R stuck in the hot shoe!
 
I don't often see young people shooting on TLR cameras or medium format rigs with waist level viewfinder--and most of the young people i have seen shooting on those also incidentally wear glasses.

And then I also see plenty of middle aged or older people with glasses also snapping away happily on compact cameras which only have the LCD screen as an option.

I also know some older folks who hate OVFs, specifically because they have poor eye relief for people wearing glasses.
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So I have no idea what are you talking about.

Both EVF and OVF have diopter adjustments. Both my FZ50 and E3 are adjusted to my eyes to use them without glasses and I see both equally well. And I see just a blurred thing if I don't adjust.

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Thank you Brent Lossing
Brent Lossing said:
for example here is the panny g1:
Electronic Viewfinder
• Color LCD Viewfinder
• Field of view 100%
• Eye point 14 mm at -1 dioptre
• Magnification 1.4x (equivalent to 0.7x on a 35mm camera / 50mm lens)
• Dioptre adjustment -4 to +4 dioptre
• 1,440,000 dots
• Field Sequential (RGB)
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/PanasonicDMCG2/page3.asp
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In such a configuration, mirrorless is an option. The correction for the reading glasses is now integrated in the LCD Viewfinder. And please all information of the rear LCD also on the viewfinder. Reading the information on the buttons and the rear LCD remains still a problem.
 
73 years old. I recently had an opportunity to use an EP-2 with the "clip on" viewfinder. It was great! Much better than I expected. I had no more trouble using that camera and finder than I do my E-3 or E-30.

I also got to use a friends Panny GH-1 (or whichever model it was) and I liked it much better than the EP-2. It was much like using an E 520 or E-620 only the viewfinder was vastly superior to those tiny little ones. He switched from Minolta/Sony to the Panny

because of it's portability. He likes it so much he's bought most of the system that's available and is very pleased with his images.

My beef with Oly has nothing to do with a distaste for M 4:3, but about leaving me with a system that has no future and the marvelous lenses I have won't be practical to use with the very small m4:3 cameras. Such a waste and such a shame.
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Bobby J said:
My beef with Oly has nothing to do with a distaste for M 4:3, but about leaving me with a system that has no future and the marvelous lenses I have won't be practical to use with the very small m4:3 cameras. Such a waste and such a shame.
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I would not assume this is happening. The E5 may or may not be the last mirrored model. We all are assuming it is, but I don't think it's going to be the last model that will be able to use 4/3rd lenses in the same type manner we use them today. The finder just may not be optical.

I am figuring there's going to be a body (non-micro) for me to use my 4/3rd Digital Zuikos beyond my current E30 and/or future E5.
 
I myself don't see the market for these high priced mirrorless cameras. I see the market for inexpensive "point & shoots" (OK, and more expensive ones to a degree) and for DSLRs but not for the high priced, too small to hold, too small to see mirrorless cams. Yea I'm older but you know what? I can afford an expensive camera and the kids today can't. So tell me, who's tghe target customer for these?

(I know, it's the Japanese themselves.) Rots of Ruck Orympus!
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Exactly my thoughts -- and hopefully Olympus' thoughts. It would doubtless help to ease a lot of people's angst if Oly would give some clue if that is the direction they plan to head. I think a lighter, full size, full function, mirrorless E-type camera with a high quality EVF would be gang busters -- and would provide a path for owners of full size 4/3 lenses.

Regardless, I will be very content to shoot away with my E-5 (s) for the next two or three years -- then who knows what?

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Alex
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Correction up to +4 dioptre? Seriously? All the cameras I've ever used (canon and Oly) go from -4 to +1 typically. That's totally useless for me, I'm quite farsighted and have been wearing +4.25 glasses since I'm 4 yrs old. I could probably get by using a viewfinder with +4 correction without my glasses. But then I wouldn't be able to see where I'm walking very well and would probably end up tripping over myself :)
 
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