Macbook & monitor color profile question

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I have a macbook pro m1 max and I am in the process of buying new monitor. I have came down to 2 choices, BenQ PD 3205u or Asus PA329CRV. BenQ does not have the adobe RGB color mode but Asus does. Does having adobe RGB color mode matter when editing photograph? Still not sure which one that I should choose. Can anyone give recommendation?

I am also confused about this whole color profile thing. In the mac when connected to external monitor, which color profile should I use for editing photograph? If I select Adobe RGB color profile on the mac for my external monitor, do I need to switch to Adobe RGB color mode on the monitor? Can anyone tell me how do you guys setup your mac and the external display for editing a photograph? Also which color space do you use in Lightroom? Does it have to match the mac and monitor selected color profile?

Thanks in advance
 
This is a vast subject.

The Adobe RGB profile was designed to match the color gamut of printers on paper. It encompasses a wide range of colors.

If you intend to use a color-managed workflow to make fine art prints, you will probably want to work in Adobe RGB.

Another popular color space is Display P3 which is used by Apple on its devices. Like Adobe RGB, it encompasses a wide color gamut, and while Adobe RGB extends far into the green region, Display P3 goes further into the reds.

If you intend to edit your files for screen viewing only, you can use the Apple P3 profile. Another, older option is sRGB, which is a more limited color gamut. (One reason Apple went with P3 was to take advantage of improvements in displays, for video as well as still photography).

At the risk of sounding cynical, most people who view images online do not calibrate their displays or regulate their viewing conditions, so we can never guarantee that others will see exactly what we see when we edit an image. On the other hand, using standards adopted by a large company like Apple, helps guarantee that some percentage of users will see something close.
 
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I have a macbook pro m1 max and I am in the process of buying new monitor. I have came down to 2 choices, BenQ PD 3205u or Asus PA329CRV. BenQ does not have the adobe RGB color mode but Asus does. Does having adobe RGB color mode matter when editing photograph? Still not sure which one that I should choose. Can anyone give recommendation?

I am also confused about this whole color profile thing. In the mac when connected to external monitor, which color profile should I use for editing photograph? If I select Adobe RGB color profile on the mac for my external monitor, do I need to switch to Adobe RGB color mode on the monitor? Can anyone tell me how do you guys setup your mac and the external display for editing a photograph? Also which color space do you use in Lightroom? Does it have to match the mac and monitor selected color profile?

Thanks in advance
Agree with Kenneth . Important question: do you want to print? If so, what printer and maybe on fine art papers?
 
This is a vast subject.

The Adobe RGB profile was designed to match the color gamut of printers on paper. It encompasses a wide range of colors.

If you intend to use a color-managed workflow to make fine art prints, you will probably want to work in Adobe RGB.

Another popular color space is Display P3 which is used by Apple on its devices. Like Adobe RGB, it encompasses a wide color gamut, and while Adobe RGB extends far into the green region, Display P3 goes further into the reds.

If you intend to edit your files for screen viewing only, you can use the Apple P3 profile. Another, older option is sRGB, which is a more limited color gamut. (One reason Apple went with P3 was to take advantage of improvements in displays, for video as well as still photography).

At the risk of sounding cynical, most people who view images online do not calibrate their displays or regulate their viewing conditions, so we can never guarantee that others will see exactly what we see when we edit an image. On the other hand, using standards adopted by a large company like Apple, helps guarantee that some percentage of users will see something close.
So if my intention is to edit for screen viewing only and set the color space to Display P3 on my mac, do I need to go to the monitor and select a color mode and what about the color space when opening photo in lightroom?

And if I want to edit because I want to print my image and I set the color space to Adobe RGB on my mac, do I switch the color mode on the monitor to Adobe RGB as well ?

I guess I am not sure if I should change the color space on the mac only or on the monitor only or both to get an accurate color for both viewing and printing.
 
So if my intention is to edit for screen viewing only and set the color space to Display P3 on my mac, do I need to go to the monitor and select a color mode and what about the color space when opening photo in lightroom?
Your Mac ships with a pre-selected monitor profile, which is most probably Display P3. If so, you can leave it alone.

You can look at Lightroom and see what color space it is set to. Unless you have changed it, it will be Adobe's recommended color space for Lightroom.

My guess is that you will see more of a change to your image by adjusting (or failing to adjust) the brightness of your monitor, than you will by making changes to the color space. You likely want to choose a middle-of-the-road brightness setting, to match what we hope will be that of the average viewer's device.

For example, if you perform all your edits in a dimly lit room and you set the monitor brightness way down to avoid eyestrain, then when the average person views your photos, they will look too bright. (You would have lightened your images while editing, to make them look normal on your overly dark monitor)

Conversely, if you edit your images in a brightly lit room and you turn your monitor brightness way up to accommodate, then when the average person views your work on their device, the images will look too dark (You would have darkened your images to make them look normal on your overly bright monitor.)
And if I want to edit because I want to print my image and I set the color space to Adobe RGB on my mac, do I switch the color mode on the monitor to Adobe RGB as well ?
Color-managed fine art printing, where what you see on your monitor matches what you see when you view your prints under calibrated lighting... requires some time and expense. There's a learning curve. You can learn a lot by studying online resources.

Or you can simply farm out your work to a printer service that has already tackled the issues. They can tell you how to configure your system to accord with their workflow. They will tell you what profile, brightness and color temperature to set your monitor, and what ICC profile to use when editing/soft-proofing/printing for their printer/ink/paper - and what color temperature lamp they use to judge prints.
I guess I am not sure if I should change the color space on the mac only or on the monitor only or both to get an accurate color for both viewing and printing.
For printing, we need a monitor calibrated to the correct white point, brightness and color space. Then we need a printer profile for the printer/ink/paper we will use, and our editor needs to let us make corrections while soft-proofing the image under that profile. And we need to print with that profile included in the printing workflow.

You might want to tackle the fewer challenges of editing for the web before taking up printing.
 
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So if my intention is to edit for screen viewing only and set the color space to Display P3 on my mac, do I need to go to the monitor and select a color mode and what about the color space when opening photo in lightroom?p

And if I want to edit because I want to print my image and I set the color space to Adobe RGB on my mac, do I switch the color mode on the monitor to Adobe RGB yas well ?

I guess I am not sure if I should change the color space on the mac only or on the monitor only or both to get an accurate color for both viewing and printing.
You should set the Mac display profile to the same color space as the color space preset selected on your monitor. This will ensure correct color.

You don’t have a choice of selecting the color space used by Lightroom. Internally the Mac handles color management automatically.

Dave
 
You should set the Mac display profile to the same color space as the color space preset selected on your monitor. This will ensure correct color.
Are there any monitors that can be set to Apple XDR Display (P3-1600 nits) ?

The M2 Macbook Pro can be set to Display P3, as can my monitor, but then bright highlights (as in a Gain Map) are no longer visible on the Macbook. They aren't visible on my monitor because it's not suitable for HDR.

The Apple Studio Display is only 600 nits. According to specs, the Apple Cinema Display is only 375 nits. Acer Nitro XV275K P3 goes up to eleven 1725 nits.
 
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You should set the Mac display profile to the same color space as the color space preset selected on your monitor. This will ensure correct color.
Are there any monitors that can be set to Apple XDR Display (P3-1600 nits) ?
Just the very expensive 32" Apple Pro Display XDR.
The M2 Macbook Pro can be set to Display P3, as can my monitor, but then bright highlights (as in a Gain Map) are no longer visible on the Macbook. They aren't visible on my monitor because it's not suitable for HDR.

The Apple Studio Display is only 600 nits. According to specs, the Apple Cinema Display is only 375 nits. Acer Nitro XV275K P3 goes up to eleven 1725 nits.
There are some "high nits" non Apple HDR displays around now but I don't know how well they interface to a MBP in HDR mode.

My comment about setting the MBP display profile to a certain color space related to the setting for the external monitor rather than the internal display.



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The internal display mode can be set independently although there's not much point in setting it to XDR mode if the external monitor can't match it.

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Dave
 

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