Link to images of the LX2

Hardly know the difference from the LX1
It's quite easy to spot the difference imho, the LX1 shots are better :

Thanks Tom, looking forward to seeing RAW...

Kind Regards

Brian

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Danny,

did you notice the huge blue line running down the right hand edge of the LX2 flower?

I'm afraid this is really not good... but then, I would only be shooting RAW (and this is why!)

Kind Regards

Brian

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Danny,

did you notice the huge blue line running down the right hand edge
of the LX2 flower?

I'm afraid this is really not good... but then, I would only be
shooting RAW (and this is why!)
The problem is that it's not a well-controlled comparison --
the LX2 image was shot at f3.2 for 1/125 sec, while
the LX1 image was shot at f6.3 for 1/50 sec. At least they
were both shot at ISO100. My FZ20 will show substantial PF
below f4 in harsh lighting, I presume the LX1/2 are similar.
Even so, it's curious that it's totally absent in the LX1 pic,
and glaring in the other. But it's hard to draw a conclusion
due to the different apertures used...

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emil
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http://theory.uchicago.edu/~ejm/pix/20d/
 
I wonder why there hasn't been any US sample images from LX2. Looks like the Asian countries are having a chance to test out the LX2 before it is released.
 
true.

I look the lx2 pictures and this ones are far from the others i saw in this forum. May be a different setting was used for this pictures (less noise reduction applied ?).

the noise as a different structure on lx2. Pictures seemes to have less chroma noise(but more blotchy one)

I found the lx2 pictures looks more 'plastic' and gives slightly more details.

ginaly, I think, imho, there are on par with lx1 ones.

As i shot mostly raw pictures , i will wait to see some jpeg raw converted from lx2, to see how the lx2 behaves.

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I agree but it looks as though some don't see what we see --
cleaner, sharper images by LX2.
Cleaner yes; sharper, yes; more detailed, no. Many of the test images
posted from the link in the OP are lacking in fine detail; pix of modern
buildings are largely smooth surface without any fine scale structure.
It seems pretty clear to me
(and I grant this is unalloyed pixel peeping) that what the VIII is doing
is scrubbing the fine detail to erase chroma blotch and luma grain;
then taking the result and sharpening it. It's clearest in the trees,
the stone texture of the fountain
and some of the details in clothing and bicycles in the "kids playing
in fountain" image that the VIII gets confused in such situations
and interprets such things as leaves as noise grain if the leaves are small
enough, and then smears them. A similar story holds in the subway
image; fine details are being scrubbed in order to lower the
overall noise level.

One should also not confuse sharpness with detail. Sharpening takes
existing structure and enhances contrast on edges. Detail is structure
at the smallest spatial frequencies. Any of the scenes containing
fine scale detail have it erased in the service of cleaning up the noise.
I sincerely doubt that the LX2 jpegs resolve more detail than the LX1,
in spite of its MP advantage. I will grant that they are sharper
and scrubbed cleaner .

And all of this is pixel peeping, I doubt whether any of it would
show up in a print. Furthermore, as many have said many times
the crucial test is the comparison of RAW format images.

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emil
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http://theory.uchicago.edu/~ejm/pix/20d/
 
Thanks for the link! Very informative even if the shooting isn't as controlled as it could be.

Could someone with an LX1 take a look at the shot of the train station interior (?) here-
http://computers.livedoor.com/series_detail?id=45509&page=4

And tell me if that is typical noise for the LX1 under such conditions? The difference in look between the LX1 and LX2 photo is so strong here, I'm wondering if there is something different in the camera settings. Do you think that the difference is just the Venus III processor? Thanks.
Dan Daniel
 
Well, I don't have the LX1 but am awaiting on the sideline for the LX2.

In regards to the train station, look at the Suica banner sign on the far right hand side (facing you). You will notice not only the LX2 shows the image with better colors, less noise, and sharpness -- it shows better details. Yes, look closely at the banner and you can determine this for yourself. The string that holds the banner shows some wear-and-tear. The LX2 captures this.

LX2



LX1

 
I agree with you. All in all I'm pretty impressed with the LX2 mages. People will find a lot to complain about and they will be right in many ways. But a shot like the train station is along the lines of the types of shots I'd use the camera for, and it looks pretty good to me!

The difference in grain and noise between the LX1 and LX2 is so striking, I'm not certain what I am really looking at here. Either way I'll be waiting for reviews of true production-run models. I notice that the camera shown on the first two pages has a sticker on the bottom (a '7' or a kanji character?), and the paint on the side door and the camera body aren't the best of matches compared to the LX1.

And then comparison shots with other cameras like Canon or Sony or Fuji will be the real decider for me, I imagine.
Dan Daniel
 
I have an LX1 on order... to me both images look pretty cr*p with the lx2 slightly better... I wonder how the iso 80 of the lxi compares to the 100 of the lx2.... seems that the LX1 has the worst image quality of all the Pano range.... I'm so looking forward to my purchase lol

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If I have uploaded an image don't hesitate to de-noise it, correct the WB, clone out dust and dead pixels, saturation, USM, resize, print and send me the result..
Also advice and criticise.

Kind Rgds

Heath

(The Amateur amateur in training)
FZ30
S7000(in sons hands now)
Tcon17
Raynox DCR 150 & DCR 250 Mcon40
Nikon SB24+omnibounce
Tripod
CamCane

 
Why are people calling a few snaps taken down at the local railway station - test photos?
Let's see real photos taken by real photographers.

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lek
 
Hi Danny,

this is a good example... it really shows what Venus III is doing to the image, I took the LX1 shot and applied heavy noise reduction and sharpening in Bibble (just bodged this, I don't usually need to do heavy NR with the LX1) so that you can see the similarity with the LX2...
LX1 with heavy handed Noise Reduction and Sharpening in Bibble Light (also with lens correction)



In the hands of a NR expert, the LX1 will probably look even better than the LX2 shot in the comparison above, but I just wanted to see if I could simulate the plastic smooth, over processed effect the Venus III engine provides! I actually prefer the LX1 shot above with the noise, and think it would print reasonably well - grain can be appreciated on an artistic level!

Once again, I think we'll only really be able to compare the LX1 and LX2 when we have the LX2 in the hands of users capable of RAW processing.

I can't wait!

Kind Regards

Brian

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That original LX1 pic is horrendous... bye the time the noise is taken out you must end up with detail of a 5meg image... why does it look so bad
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If I have uploaded an image don't hesitate to de-noise it, correct the WB, clone out dust and dead pixels, saturation, USM, resize, print and send me the result..
Also advice and criticise.

Kind Rgds

Heath

(The Amateur amateur in training)
FZ30
S7000(in sons hands now)
Tcon17
Raynox DCR 150 & DCR 250 Mcon40
Nikon SB24+omnibounce
Tripod
CamCane

 
Why are people calling a few snaps taken down at the local railway
station - test photos?
wether taken down the pub or in the railway station or even spur of the moment they are still comparing 2 cameras... taking very similar pics..
Let's see real photos taken by real photographers.

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lek
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If I have uploaded an image don't hesitate to de-noise it, correct the WB, clone out dust and dead pixels, saturation, USM, resize, print and send me the result..
Also advice and criticise.

Kind Rgds

Heath

(The Amateur amateur in training)
FZ30
S7000(in sons hands now)
Tcon17
Raynox DCR 150 & DCR 250 Mcon40
Nikon SB24+omnibounce
Tripod
CamCane

 
feeling nervous about buying the LX1... will be here today or tomorrow.
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If I have uploaded an image don't hesitate to de-noise it, correct the WB, clone out dust and dead pixels, saturation, USM, resize, print and send me the result..
Also advice and criticise.

Kind Rgds

Heath

(The Amateur amateur in training)
FZ30
S7000(in sons hands now)
Tcon17
Raynox DCR 150 & DCR 250 Mcon40
Nikon SB24+omnibounce
Tripod
CamCane

 
Don't worry Heath, you made the right choice... how much did you pay for it?

Cheers

Brian
feeling nervous about buying the LX1... will be here today or
tomorrow.
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If I have uploaded an image don't hesitate to de-noise it, correct
the WB, clone out dust and dead pixels, saturation, USM, resize,
print and send me the result..
Also advice and criticise.

Kind Rgds

Heath

(The Amateur amateur in training)
FZ30
S7000(in sons hands now)
Tcon17
Raynox DCR 150 & DCR 250 Mcon40
Nikon SB24+omnibounce
Tripod
CamCane

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