iNova editorials going too far

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okay, it is nice that inova has such nice opinions about every nikon camera and that he wants to put them on his web site, in books, and all over the forums.

but do we really need to see his opinions polluting this site's 'impartial' reviews?

and get announcements whenever he shares his latest nikon-loving opinions on his web site?

why not invite the biggest fan of fuji or canon or kodak to include a 'very special' editorial before other camera reviews? or put up news stories whenever minolta updates its website?

let nikon & inova pay for their own advertising. or just put up a big banner calling this site 'nikon review.com' and end the continued smooching.
 
Of course he's going to say that the new CP995 is a "GREAT" camera, since the CP990 has been discontinued and he needs to sell his book. (I find his “review” very bias because of that)

I trust Phil’s reviews more than any other reviewer online. He proves his points with examples (crops) and compares cameras side-by-side. Of course there is no "perfect" review but I think Phil gets always close to the truth. (That’s why his site is so popular IMO).

He had different opinions about the CP995 (images were soft, etc..) and I will take his word (and research) on it.

Several sites were stating that the Nikon D1x was great, noiseless, etc..... Everything got really confirmed when I read his review. Now I believe the D1X is a great camera. (Even though I still think the D30 has less noise at ISO 100).

One more motive to trust Phil’s D1x review is because he owns a Canon D30 and was very objective on his opinion. We all hope Canon could read what he said and come up with something even better (and fast!)

Best,
FRED
okay, it is nice that inova has such nice opinions about every
nikon camera and that he wants to put them on his web site, in
books, and all over the forums.

but do we really need to see his opinions polluting this site's
'impartial' reviews?
and get announcements whenever he shares his latest nikon-loving
opinions on his web site?

why not invite the biggest fan of fuji or canon or kodak to include
a 'very special' editorial before other camera reviews? or put up
news stories whenever minolta updates its website?

let nikon & inova pay for their own advertising. or just put up a
big banner calling this site 'nikon review.com' and end the
continued smooching.
 
:O)

Frances.

PS: just kidding....
He had different opinions about the CP995 (images were soft, etc..)
and I will take his word (and research) on it.

Several sites were stating that the Nikon D1x was great, noiseless,
etc..... Everything got really confirmed when I read his review.
Now I believe the D1X is a great camera. (Even though I still think
the D30 has less noise at ISO 100).
One more motive to trust Phil’s D1x review is because he owns
a Canon D30 and was very objective on his opinion. We all hope
Canon could read what he said and come up with something even
better (and fast!)

Best,
FRED
okay, it is nice that inova has such nice opinions about every
nikon camera and that he wants to put them on his web site, in
books, and all over the forums.

but do we really need to see his opinions polluting this site's
'impartial' reviews?
and get announcements whenever he shares his latest nikon-loving
opinions on his web site?

why not invite the biggest fan of fuji or canon or kodak to include
a 'very special' editorial before other camera reviews? or put up
news stories whenever minolta updates its website?

let nikon & inova pay for their own advertising. or just put up a
big banner calling this site 'nikon review.com' and end the
continued smooching.
 
Frances,
It seems that everything is a joke to you. Do you have an opinion?

If you do have something to discuss on the matter, I would be more than happy if you could share it with us. In case you do not have an opinion, don't even bother addressing me next time.
FRED

PS: No, I'm not Patrick farber. I have better things to do then logging in as a different user.
Frances.

PS: just kidding....
He had different opinions about the CP995 (images were soft, etc..)
and I will take his word (and research) on it.

Several sites were stating that the Nikon D1x was great, noiseless,
etc..... Everything got really confirmed when I read his review.
Now I believe the D1X is a great camera. (Even though I still think
the D30 has less noise at ISO 100).
One more motive to trust Phil’s D1x review is because he owns
a Canon D30 and was very objective on his opinion. We all hope
Canon could read what he said and come up with something even
better (and fast!)

Best,
FRED
okay, it is nice that inova has such nice opinions about every
nikon camera and that he wants to put them on his web site, in
books, and all over the forums.

but do we really need to see his opinions polluting this site's
'impartial' reviews?
and get announcements whenever he shares his latest nikon-loving
opinions on his web site?

why not invite the biggest fan of fuji or canon or kodak to include
a 'very special' editorial before other camera reviews? or put up
news stories whenever minolta updates its website?

let nikon & inova pay for their own advertising. or just put up a
big banner calling this site 'nikon review.com' and end the
continued smooching.
 
It seems to me that you always have a problem with Peter!
come on give it a break...
I will address you as many times I think is right when you are wrong.

regards.

Frances
PS: No, I'm not Patrick farber. I have better things to do then
logging in as a different user.
Frances.

PS: just kidding....
He had different opinions about the CP995 (images were soft, etc..)
and I will take his word (and research) on it.

Several sites were stating that the Nikon D1x was great, noiseless,
etc..... Everything got really confirmed when I read his review.
Now I believe the D1X is a great camera. (Even though I still think
the D30 has less noise at ISO 100).
One more motive to trust Phil’s D1x review is because he owns
a Canon D30 and was very objective on his opinion. We all hope
Canon could read what he said and come up with something even
better (and fast!)

Best,
FRED
okay, it is nice that inova has such nice opinions about every
nikon camera and that he wants to put them on his web site, in
books, and all over the forums.

but do we really need to see his opinions polluting this site's
'impartial' reviews?
and get announcements whenever he shares his latest nikon-loving
opinions on his web site?

why not invite the biggest fan of fuji or canon or kodak to include
a 'very special' editorial before other camera reviews? or put up
news stories whenever minolta updates its website?

let nikon & inova pay for their own advertising. or just put up a
big banner calling this site 'nikon review.com' and end the
continued smooching.
 
You didn't actually read it now did you??

Shame - that's exactly what he wanted -- me - I won't even load the page.

SeeYa
 
Of course he's going to say that the new CP995 is a "GREAT" camera,
since the CP990 has been discontinued and he needs to sell his
book. (I find his “review” very bias because of that)
I trust Phil’s reviews more than any other reviewer online.
He proves his points with examples (crops) and compares cameras
side-by-side. Of course there is no "perfect" review but I think
Phil gets always close to the truth. (That’s why his site is
so popular IMO).
I put a lot of trust in Phil's reviews. He goes to great trouble to slice and dice the characteristics of each camera he encounters and he often comes up with things that persuade me about the qualities of this or that model. I trust his work implicitly right up to the point of discovering what appears to be empirical evidence in my own lap that contradicts it.

When that happens what would you do? Shut up about it? I don't THINK so. Like you, I don't hold my opinions to myself.

Sometimes you have to touch the real thing and see what's what.

When I encountered the 995, the sample in my hand was created some 15,000 or more units AFTER the early serial numbered sample that Phil was given. If you know manufacturing, you know that you don't simply throw the switch and expect everything to pop off the assembly line perfectly identical. You tweak, adjust, streamline, improve, make more efficient, and refine the line as it settles in. This goes for the manufacture of all the modules that feed the line as well.

One of the very first things I noticed had to do with image sharpness. It was distinctly NOT showing the characteristics that Phil observed. I think the sample Phil received was out of spec.

I was ready to muddle through this model upgrade if indeed it had been as flawed as Phil's review showed, for after all, it did have a lot of other nice features, but to my pleasant surprise, I don't have to. That's the point.

Of course, there is always the off chance that the one I got was somehow accidentally manufactured to better standards than the designers had in mind. Make of it what you will.

The dynamic range of the image was quite demonstrably greater than the same test run on my 990. Get one and try it for yourself. No bias there, just a demonstration of that which is true.

The noise floor of the 995 was quite obviously less, the color depth in shadows was quite obviously greater and the zoom lens was quite self-evidently longer. Both of those first two qualities are just as inherent as the length of the zoom. But you have to LOOK for them to see them.

So where is the review bias for self-serving reasons in those?

I'm not creating this review to be a deep technical analysis, and much of it has to do with the practical, photographer-oriented touch points that this model embodies. It is quite definitely a "Personal Review" that would be difficult to compare to Phil's.

I shoot images for part of my work as Creative Director of Metavision virtually every day. The things I expect from a camera tie directly to my work. I've done large-format moving special effects with the images from my digicams and I need them to insert into a production stream without causing new problems. That's the eye I use to inspect the goods. After I find out the limits or bonuses, I write about them.

But with all the opinion that flowed from the reviewers' 995 samples from this site, Steve's and Imaging-Resource, the air has been thick with people expressing grave doubts that the Camelot of quality inherent in the 990 was somehow lost to the past.

Not so! You can purchase a 995 without the Fear Factor.
He had different opinions about the CP995 (images were soft, etc..)
and I will take his word (and research) on it.
And his review sample was Firmware 1.1 and mine was 1.6. And his lens was showing characteristics mine simply and flatly does NOT. The image side-by-side from both 990 and 995 was at the left extreme edge of both shots made virtually in-register from the same tripod position.

By assuming that Phil's word on this camera was the last word, you would be violating his own attitude on the subject. Phil knows that mid-manufacture samples often show up with early "issues" resolved. He knows others have a different point of view on each model that comes out and he graciously directs our attention to many other reviews so that we all can gain a consensus.

I'm particularly keen to see Phil's retest on the 995. He uses a much-superior dynamic range testing procedure than mine (read the caveats all over that section of my Personal Review). With the diminished noise and greater shadow chroma depth that is so abundantly obvious compared to the 990, I can't wait to see if the more than one-stop results in my test bear out in his procedure.

-iNova
Several sites were stating that the Nikon D1x was great, noiseless,
etc..... Everything got really confirmed when I read his review.
Now I believe the D1X is a great camera. (Even though I still think
the D30 has less noise at ISO 100).
One more motive to trust Phil’s D1x review is because he owns
a Canon D30 and was very objective on his opinion. We all hope
Canon could read what he said and come up with something even
better (and fast!)

Best,
FRED
PS

Patrick Farber has not posted here before. He also posted the same "complaint" in more than one place to stirr up responses. At least, Fred, you have been around here as a frequent contributor and valuable correspondent.
 
I am in the process of updating the review with a full production unti serial number 4005673. Of all the samples I've re-shot so far I don't see any great change.
Of course he's going to say that the new CP995 is a "GREAT" camera,
since the CP990 has been discontinued and he needs to sell his
book. (I find his “review” very bias because of that)
I trust Phil’s reviews more than any other reviewer online.
He proves his points with examples (crops) and compares cameras
side-by-side. Of course there is no "perfect" review but I think
Phil gets always close to the truth. (That’s why his site is
so popular IMO).
I put a lot of trust in Phil's reviews. He goes to great trouble to
slice and dice the characteristics of each camera he encounters and
he often comes up with things that persuade me about the qualities
of this or that model. I trust his work implicitly right up to the
point of discovering what appears to be empirical evidence in my
own lap that contradicts it.

When that happens what would you do? Shut up about it? I don't
THINK so. Like you, I don't hold my opinions to myself.

Sometimes you have to touch the real thing and see what's what.

When I encountered the 995, the sample in my hand was created some
15,000 or more units AFTER the early serial numbered sample that
Phil was given. If you know manufacturing, you know that you don't
simply throw the switch and expect everything to pop off the
assembly line perfectly identical. You tweak, adjust, streamline,
improve, make more efficient, and refine the line as it settles in.
This goes for the manufacture of all the modules that feed the line
as well.

One of the very first things I noticed had to do with image
sharpness. It was distinctly NOT showing the characteristics that
Phil observed. I think the sample Phil received was out of spec.

I was ready to muddle through this model upgrade if indeed it had
been as flawed as Phil's review showed, for after all, it did have
a lot of other nice features, but to my pleasant surprise, I don't
have to. That's the point.

Of course, there is always the off chance that the one I got was
somehow accidentally manufactured to better standards than the
designers had in mind. Make of it what you will.

The dynamic range of the image was quite demonstrably greater than
the same test run on my 990. Get one and try it for yourself. No
bias there, just a demonstration of that which is true.

The noise floor of the 995 was quite obviously less, the color
depth in shadows was quite obviously greater and the zoom lens was
quite self-evidently longer. Both of those first two qualities are
just as inherent as the length of the zoom. But you have to LOOK
for them to see them.

So where is the review bias for self-serving reasons in those?

I'm not creating this review to be a deep technical analysis, and
much of it has to do with the practical, photographer-oriented
touch points that this model embodies. It is quite definitely a
"Personal Review" that would be difficult to compare to Phil's.

I shoot images for part of my work as Creative Director of
Metavision virtually every day. The things I expect from a camera
tie directly to my work. I've done large-format moving special
effects with the images from my digicams and I need them to insert
into a production stream without causing new problems. That's the
eye I use to inspect the goods. After I find out the limits or
bonuses, I write about them.

But with all the opinion that flowed from the reviewers' 995
samples from this site, Steve's and Imaging-Resource, the air has
been thick with people expressing grave doubts that the Camelot of
quality inherent in the 990 was somehow lost to the past.

Not so! You can purchase a 995 without the Fear Factor.
He had different opinions about the CP995 (images were soft, etc..)
and I will take his word (and research) on it.
And his review sample was Firmware 1.1 and mine was 1.6. And his
lens was showing characteristics mine simply and flatly does NOT.
The image side-by-side from both 990 and 995 was at the left
extreme edge of both shots made virtually in-register from the same
tripod position.

By assuming that Phil's word on this camera was the last word, you
would be violating his own attitude on the subject. Phil knows that
mid-manufacture samples often show up with early "issues" resolved.
He knows others have a different point of view on each model that
comes out and he graciously directs our attention to many other
reviews so that we all can gain a consensus.

I'm particularly keen to see Phil's retest on the 995. He uses a
much-superior dynamic range testing procedure than mine (read the
caveats all over that section of my Personal Review). With the
diminished noise and greater shadow chroma depth that is so
abundantly obvious compared to the 990, I can't wait to see if the
more than one-stop results in my test bear out in his procedure.

-iNova
Several sites were stating that the Nikon D1x was great, noiseless,
etc..... Everything got really confirmed when I read his review.
Now I believe the D1X is a great camera. (Even though I still think
the D30 has less noise at ISO 100).
One more motive to trust Phil’s D1x review is because he owns
a Canon D30 and was very objective on his opinion. We all hope
Canon could read what he said and come up with something even
better (and fast!)

Best,
FRED
PS
Patrick Farber has not posted here before. He also posted the same
"complaint" in more than one place to stirr up responses. At least,
Fred, you have been around here as a frequent contributor and
valuable correspondent.
 
And what would be the point of doing that? Has Patrick committed a crime? From what I've read of his posts, he's just voicing his opinion. That's still allowed I hope.

This is not a **** state we're living in, so don't go "crosschecking IP" and doing other unsavory tactics just because you don't like what someone wrote.

sheesh !!
Did you look it up Phil? Crosscheck between IP and poster I mean...
 
In my opinion, when you visit a free site, you shouldn't be allowed to express your opinion. Why should people be given the opportunity to express their thoughts, and make everyone read their opinions! I mean...geese...if this is allowed to continue there will be a forum of people expressing and sharing thoughts, making everyone read their opinion, learning from others, and all kinds of bad things...sorry, kinda hot under the collar, just hope the world isn't dangered by this, this...you know! pollution of opinions!

Just my opinion, have fun people,
StormE
 
Hi Everyone

I enjoyed Peter's review and considered it worthwhile and entertaining, although I still look seriously at other reviews, user opinions and posts, to get a 'real' feel for the subject, the camera in question.

I really do like Peter's journalistic writing style and take offense at the claim that such a review polutes this site.

The review has not meant that I have given up considering an E10, or even a Fuji 6900, but I consider that the different reviews and opions of users, critics, and others all help to enrichen the digital scene.

Look at it for what it is - do you get offended when you read a point of view that's different, or supports a particular product, even if some bias may (perhaps wrongly?) be assumed? I don't!

After all, you don't have to read it, if you don't want to!

George

s and the opinions and views by others
okay, it is nice that inova has such nice opinions about every
nikon camera and that he wants to put them on his web site, in
books, and all over the forums.

but do we really need to see his opinions polluting this site's
'impartial' reviews?
and get announcements whenever he shares his latest nikon-loving
opinions on his web site?

why not invite the biggest fan of fuji or canon or kodak to include
a 'very special' editorial before other camera reviews? or put up
news stories whenever minolta updates its website?

let nikon & inova pay for their own advertising. or just put up a
big banner calling this site 'nikon review.com' and end the
continued smooching.
 
No no... Frances not jealousy.

I'm sure iNova's book is very helpful and he has helped a lot of people on this forum and I also thank him for his effort. Peter has also right to write his personal opinion, but to me his review on 995 is more like ad article promoting how good 995 is and at the end his ebook, not a realistic review.

This is my personal opinion.

Regards,

Martin
 
Hi Everyone

I enjoyed Peter's review and considered it worthwhile and
entertaining, although I still look seriously at other reviews,
user opinions and posts, to get a 'real' feel for the subject, the
camera in question.

I really do like Peter's journalistic writing style and take
offense at the claim that such a review polutes this site.

The review has not meant that I have given up considering an E10,
or even a Fuji 6900, but I consider that the different reviews and
opions of users, critics, and others all help to enrichen the
digital scene.

Look at it for what it is - do you get offended when you read a
point of view that's different, or supports a particular product,
even if some bias may (perhaps wrongly?) be assumed? I don't!

After all, you don't have to read it, if you don't want to!

George
Agree, George. I'm really baffled by the outcry here.

Misha
 
I think the catch is that something that is classified as a review should be just that - a review - pointing out both the good and bad sides of a product and done in a reasonably unbiased manner. This was a sales pitch disguised as a review.
FJ
I enjoyed Peter's review and considered it worthwhile and
entertaining, although I still look seriously at other reviews,
user opinions and posts, to get a 'real' feel for the subject, the
camera in question.

I really do like Peter's journalistic writing style and take
offense at the claim that such a review polutes this site.

The review has not meant that I have given up considering an E10,
or even a Fuji 6900, but I consider that the different reviews and
opions of users, critics, and others all help to enrichen the
digital scene.

Look at it for what it is - do you get offended when you read a
point of view that's different, or supports a particular product,
even if some bias may (perhaps wrongly?) be assumed? I don't!

After all, you don't have to read it, if you don't want to!

George

s and the opinions and views by others
okay, it is nice that inova has such nice opinions about every
nikon camera and that he wants to put them on his web site, in
books, and all over the forums.

but do we really need to see his opinions polluting this site's
'impartial' reviews?
and get announcements whenever he shares his latest nikon-loving
opinions on his web site?

why not invite the biggest fan of fuji or canon or kodak to include
a 'very special' editorial before other camera reviews? or put up
news stories whenever minolta updates its website?

let nikon & inova pay for their own advertising. or just put up a
big banner calling this site 'nikon review.com' and end the
continued smooching.
 
Don't be surprised!

Phil has done it already to me. He has crosschecked my IP for reasons I don't understand and has banned me in the past from participating in the forums WITH NO EXCUSES . At some point he lifted the ban after a private hot discussion but since then I am not always able to login and post messages easily. Lately I cannot post at all with no explanation on his behalf.
He doesn't even answer my complains
This is not a **** state we're living in, so don't go
"crosschecking IP" and doing other unsavory tactics just because
you don't like what someone wrote.

sheesh !!
Did you look it up Phil? Crosscheck between IP and poster I mean...
 

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