In-camera processing vs SPP processing

[Scottelly]

I decided to re-process a photo I had shot, using Forest Green in my camera, just to see what the file looks like. Here it is:


In-camera Forest Green

I re-processed the same raw file in SPP just now. Here is the result (followed by the settings I used):


Raw file processed in SPP, using Forest Green color mode


Settings for image above

EDIT:

After looking at the results of this test using my browser, and zooming in on the two images above, I am surprised. I think I'll be shooting some photos in Forest Green color mode in the future. Here is what I saw:




OOC re-processed Forest Green jpeg




SPP processed Forest Green jpeg



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[xpatUSA]

I decided to re-process a photo I had shot, using Forest Green in my camera, just to see what the file looks like. Here it is:


In-camera Forest Green

I re-processed the same raw file in SPP just now. Here is the result (followed by the settings I used):


Raw file processed in SPP, using Forest Green color mode


Settings for image above

EDIT:

After looking at the results of this test using my browser, and zooming in on the two images above, I am surprised. I think I'll be shooting some photos in Forest Green color mode in the future. Here is what I saw:


OOC re-processed Forest Green jpeg


SPP processed Forest Green jpeg

Is the first image SOOC or is it "re-processed" like it says in the image after the screenshot?

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[xpatUSA]

I decided to re-process a photo I had shot, using Forest Green in my camera, just to see what the file looks like. Here it is:


In-camera Forest Green

No embedded color profile. So, on my screen, the colors are whatever FireFox thinks they are ...

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What you got is not what you saw.

 

[Greg0 N0yl]

What are your conclusions ?

Is your OOC sample a Jpeg, I didn’t get it ?
That first version has a very good rendering of leaves, but is much over contrasted and saturated.

The SPP version doesn’t show the same pulls, but is toned down somehow.


For the settings : I don’t think such a sunny scene needs any positive Fill Light ; then your 2 steps Smoother Detail setting and Sharpness 5 steps down, don’t give chances for much details.
This might explain the differences in color dynamic and sharpness bewteen the two files.

I would have only lowered Contrast and maybe Saturation on the right panel ; and on the left : Chroma (+1), Luminance (-1), and checked Lens Profile correction.

The Forest Green mode seems to maximize Green/Red contrast,with good result for green palette.

 

[xpatUSA]

What are your conclusions ?

Is your OOC sample a Jpeg, I didn’t get it ?

If you download the sample original size you will that it has a .jpg extension.

That first version has a very good rendering of leaves, but is much over contrasted and saturated.

Yes, all the flowers are 100% saturated according to the GIMP.

 

[Scottelly]

I decided to re-process a photo I had shot, using Forest Green in my camera, just to see what the file looks like. Here it is:


In-camera Forest Green

I re-processed the same raw file in SPP just now. Here is the result (followed by the settings I used):


Raw file processed in SPP, using Forest Green color mode


Settings for image above

EDIT:

After looking at the results of this test using my browser, and zooming in on the two images above, I am surprised. I think I'll be shooting some photos in Forest Green color mode in the future. Here is what I saw:


OOC re-processed Forest Green jpeg


SPP processed Forest Green jpeg

Is the first image SOOC or is it "re-processed" like it says in the image after the screenshot?

It's the raw file processed in the camera to the Forest Green color mode Ted. When I shot the photo I had the camera in the Portrait color mode. I wanted to see what the OOC jpeg would have looked like if I had the camera set to Forest Green instead, so I "re-processed" the raw file using the camera Ted.

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Landscape and nature photography, photographic prints by Scott Barton Kennelly, an Australian photographer living in south Florida.

www.bigprintphotos.com

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[Scottelly]

I decided to re-process a photo I had shot, using Forest Green in my camera, just to see what the file looks like. Here it is:


In-camera Forest Green

No embedded color profile. So, on my screen, the colors are whatever FireFox thinks they are ...

Oh, weird. Thanks for the info. Ted.

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Scott Barton Kennelly

Big Print Photos - Photography by Scott Barton Kennelly

Landscape and nature photography, photographic prints by Scott Barton Kennelly, an Australian photographer living in south Florida.

www.bigprintphotos.com

Sigma Photo Pro – The Sigma Photo Pro Raw Processor Resource

https://www.sigmacamerapro.com

 

[Scottelly]

What are your conclusions ?

My conclusion is that I need to re-visit my processing technique, because I like what I got out of the camera more than what I got with SPP. I'm sure SPP is capable of producing an image just as "good" from the raw file, but in this case it didn't happen (as far as my tastes are concerned).

Is your OOC sample a Jpeg, I didn’t get it ?
That first version has a very good rendering of leaves, but is much over contrasted and saturated.

I like the saturation, but that could be the result of viewing it on my notebook computer screen. Your screen might be making this image look overly saturated, which it may well be. The screen on this cheap Dell notebook computer may not be very good at all.

The SPP version doesn’t show the same pulls, but is toned down somehow.

I agree. I reduced Saturation a little, in an effort to reduce the blue warnings (over-saturation), but I may have taken it too far.

For the settings : I don’t think such a sunny scene needs any positive Fill Light

You may be right. Maybe I should not have set any adjustment with X3F Fill Light. It's pretty much automatic to me these days, but that image may look better without using that setting/tool at all.

; then your 2 steps Smoother Detail setting and Sharpness 5 steps down, don’t give chances for much details.

Well normally I'm really happy with -0.5 Sharpness, but in this photo the camera seemed to do a better job (maybe the image is sharper out of the camera). Certainly there seems to be more contrast in the OOC re-processed image vs the SPP version. I like the look of extra saturation the OOC version has.

This might explain the differences in color dynamic and sharpness bewteen the two files.

Maybe you're right about that.

I would have only lowered Contrast and maybe Saturation on the right panel ; and on the left : Chroma (+1), Luminance (-1), and checked Lens Profile correction.

Why would you add Chroma noise reduction? I'm under the impression that isn't necessary at ISO 100, and no Luminance noise reduction is necessary at ISO 100 either, as far as I'm concerned (maybe it would be if I used a higher setting on the crispness scale or more Sharpness).

The Forest Green mode seems to maximize Green/Red contrast,with good result for green palette.

It does indeed. This particular photo looks much more realistic to me, when processed in Forest Green mode.

 

[Scottelly]

What are your conclusions ?

Is your OOC sample a Jpeg, I didn’t get it ?

If you download the sample original size you will that it has a .jpg extension.

That first version has a very good rendering of leaves, but is much over contrasted and saturated.

Yes, all the flowers are 100% saturated according to the GIMP.

Thanks to you two for the info.

 

[Greg0 N0yl]

; then your 2 steps Smoother Detail setting and Sharpness 5 steps down, don’t give chances for much details.

Well normally I'm really happy with -0.5 Sharpness, but in this photo the camera seemed to do a better job (maybe the image is sharper out of the camera). Certainly there seems to be more contrast in the OOC re-processed image vs the SPP version. I like the look of extra saturation the OOC version has.

This might explain the differences in color dynamic and sharpness bewteen the two files.

Maybe you're right about that.

I would have only lowered Contrast and maybe Saturation on the right panel ; and on the left : Chroma (+1), Luminance (-1), and checked Lens Profile correction.

Why would you add Chroma noise reduction? I'm under the impression that isn't necessary at ISO 100, and no Luminance noise reduction is necessary at ISO 100 either, as far as I'm concerned (maybe it would be if I used a higher setting on the crispness scale or more Sharpness).

I would use SPP’s « Noise Reduction » not against the noise (no noticable grain at 100 iso indeed ) but to get more & smoother gradations in color shifts.

In a way, SPP’s Chroma NR might work like the opposite of classical Luminance Level. If raised, that LL starts smoothing small differences in colors. Like with a printer scanner, one often have to lower Luminance level to get any detail at all. Raising SPP’s Chroma NR is like preventing the color areas to be over-smoothed, at time revealing sparse details up to noise, at time revealing better contours.

SPP’s Luminance NR, works a bit like a L. Level and tend to substain color like area’s unity, lowering disturbing details weight. I would lower that filter but not all to the left, to the Mid -1 position (= plot 2).
Might be important to note that the default settings of SPP’s NR plotted sliders is in the middle position (= plot 3). So I think putting them to plot 1, in fact Mid -2, may trigger more NR artefacts than leaving them center.

In fact Scottely, I believe your usual SPP settings are probably best for your main activity as, we should almost tell through their configuration, portraitist.
I remember you published a paper on SPP’s NR uses for different styles of portrait faces, at the time… I learned a lot from it.

 

[Johan Borg]

I decided to re-process a photo I had shot, using Forest Green in my camera, just to see what the file looks like.

If you want the in-camera RAW converter to deliver results closer to SPP, you should always use Sharpness -1.0 for all color modes. I also recommend Contrast -0.4 for all other modes than Portrait.

Give it a try someday!

 

[Scottelly]

I decided to re-process a photo I had shot, using Forest Green in my camera, just to see what the file looks like.

If you want the in-camera RAW converter to deliver results closer to SPP, you should always use Sharpness -1.0 for all color modes. I also recommend Contrast -0.4 for all other modes than Portrait.

Give it a try someday!

Interesting. Thanks!