If you like DSLR/OVF for fast actions, but also like EVF for other situations

[KLO82]

Why can't the DSLR manufacturers just offer optional detachable EVFs (like the ones offered for Canon M6 II) ? Yes, you will not be able to use external flash and EVF at the same time, but the EVF cannot show exposure preview when using flashes anyway, so that is not a loss. You will be able to use EVF or OVF in different situations according to your preference.

 

[DeathArrow]

Why can't the DSLR manufacturers just offer optional detachable EVFs (like the ones offered for Canon M6 II) ?

Because there's not much to be gained in using an EVF over an OVF. Because Live View in DSLRs is typically much slower than PDAF.

 

[KLO82]

Why can't the DSLR manufacturers just offer optional detachable EVFs (like the ones offered for Canon M6 II) ?

Because there's not much to be gained in using an EVF over an OVF.

Many will disagree.

Because Live View in DSLRs is typically much slower than PDAF.

Typically, yes. But it seems some modern DSLRs have very good live view AF as well. I am thinking about Canon 90D. And the option is or who will use the OVF for fast actions and EVF for many other situations.

 

[Sranang Boi]

I keep reading about fast action and EVF as if there is a crisis. But I haven't had any problems with it. I suspect that many people are using the wrong settings for the EVF when doing fast action shots. The EVF will update at a speed that is normally tied to the shutter speed. So the slower the shutter speed, the slower the update. Then there is post view, which shows the picture taken for a second or more. You can switch that off to get you an uninterrupted view of the scene. I use all of these when taking pictures of BIF, bIF, planes, etc.

 

[DeathArrow]

Why can't the DSLR manufacturers just offer optional detachable EVFs (like the ones offered for Canon M6 II) ?

Because there's not much to be gained in using an EVF over an OVF.

Many will disagree.

Because Live View in DSLRs is typically much slower than PDAF.

Typically, yes. But it seems some modern DSLRs have very good live view AF as well. I am thinking about Canon 90D. And the option is or who will use the OVF for fast actions and EVF for many other situations.

Still, the good live view in D90 would still be much slower than PDAF.

 

[DeathArrow]

Anyway, I someone would feel the need of using an EVF on DSLR, there might be a better approach: a hybrid OVF/EVF. I dont think it would be hard to project an LCD image in the optical view finder. I would find it just about useless, though.

 

[kiwi2]

I keep reading about fast action and EVF as if there is a crisis. But I haven't had any problems with it. I suspect that many people are using the wrong settings for the EVF when doing fast action shots.

No, the people saying there is a problem with EVF have only used modern mirrorless cameras for a couple of minutes while standing in a camera shop.

This is the interweb where BS has a life of its own and usually has very little bearing with reality.

 

[mamallama]

I keep reading about fast action and EVF as if there is a crisis. But I haven't had any problems with it. I suspect that many people are using the wrong settings for the EVF when doing fast action shots. The EVF will update at a speed that is normally tied to the shutter speed. So the slower the shutter speed, the slower the update. Then there is post view, which shows the picture taken for a second or more. You can switch that off to get you an uninterrupted view of the scene. I use all of these when taking pictures of BIF, bIF, planes, etc.

Most EVF bashers like to ignore the Pre-Burst modes that's available on mirrorless cameras and not on DSLRs. They will come back and say but it's at a reduced size to poo-poo it.

 

[mamallama]

Why can't the DSLR manufacturers just offer optional detachable EVFs (like the ones offered for Canon M6 II) ? Yes, you will not be able to use external flash and EVF at the same time, but the EVF cannot show exposure preview when using flashes anyway, so that is not a loss. You will be able to use EVF or OVF in different situations according to your preference.

I makes more sense to use a external wire frame direct view finder for fast action on an MILC with an EVF. That is already a combination used by many EVF camera owners when using the camera for fast action like BIF.

 

[mamallama]

Why can't the DSLR manufacturers just offer optional detachable EVFs (like the ones offered for Canon M6 II) ? Yes, you will not be able to use external flash and EVF at the same time, but the EVF cannot show exposure preview when using flashes anyway, so that is not a loss. You will be able to use EVF or OVF in different situations according to your preference.

That's counterproductive. It does not get rid of the mirror and the prism contraption which is a main reason for going mirrorless which makes the EVF necessary in the first place.

 

[Ron Poelman]

Does your phone have OVF ?

 

[PerL]

Why can't the DSLR manufacturers just offer optional detachable EVFs (like the ones offered for Canon M6 II) ? Yes, you will not be able to use external flash and EVF at the same time, but the EVF cannot show exposure preview when using flashes anyway, so that is not a loss. You will be able to use EVF or OVF in different situations according to your preference.

If you prefer OVFs but needs to shoot video occasionally an external EVF would be useful. There are many times when you work outdoors in sunshine or bright light where the LCD on the back is very hard to see.

 

[bosjohn21]

dslr cameras are a love hate item. the view is lovely but you can see nothing what ever outside the frame and with most modern dslr cameras you can't really see much around the finder. Pros use them for sports because it the only way for them to use the long lenses usually needed for their craft. not the best ever solution but will do till something newer comes along. a wire finder like the old speed graphic is about as good as it gets for absolute clarity as of course there is no glass at all in that kind of finder. In the early days of leica they made a wire type fider the covered three focal lengths if memory serves. but it is not a lot of good for a long lens. I think one of the reason i used to take so many verticals is I can see around the camera when its vertical

 

[Lee Jay]

Why can't the DSLR manufacturers just offer optional detachable EVFs (like the ones offered for Canon M6 II) ?

They do, in two forms - HDMI EVFs and LCD loupes.

Yes, you will not be able to use external flash and EVF at the same time,

I can, using my Hoodman Custom Finder Kit on my 7D Mark II.

 

[Lee Jay]

Why can't the DSLR manufacturers just offer optional detachable EVFs (like the ones offered for Canon M6 II) ?

Because there's not much to be gained in using an EVF over an OVF.

Many will disagree.

Because Live View in DSLRs is typically much slower than PDAF.

Typically, yes. But it seems some modern DSLRs have very good live view AF as well. I am thinking about Canon 90D. And the option is or who will use the OVF for fast actions and EVF for many other situations.

I use the OVF for stills and the EVF (through an LCD loupe) for video.

The only time I find an EVF to be more useful than an OVF for stills is when the camera is mounted to my telescope. That puts any eye-level viewfinder at odd positions so the LCD is vastly superior to an eye-level EVF there.

 

[Lee Jay]

Why can't the DSLR manufacturers just offer optional detachable EVFs (like the ones offered for Canon M6 II) ?

Because there's not much to be gained in using an EVF over an OVF.

Many will disagree.

Because Live View in DSLRs is typically much slower than PDAF.

Typically, yes. But it seems some modern DSLRs have very good live view AF as well. I am thinking about Canon 90D. And the option is or who will use the OVF for fast actions and EVF for many other situations.

Still, the good live view in D90 would still be much slower than PDAF.

The 70D, 80D and 90D all have on-sensor PDAF at ever pixel - called "dual pixel".

 

[tbcass]

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[Lee Jay]

I keep reading about fast action and EVF as if there is a crisis.

Not a crisis, just not as good as doing it without lag.

But I haven't had any problems with it. I suspect that many people are using the wrong settings for the EVF when doing fast action shots. The EVF will update at a speed that is normally tied to the shutter speed.

I've had problems with lag at 1/2000th.

So the slower the shutter speed, the slower the update. Then there is post view

Which I have off, and doesn't matter for tracking anyway, until you shoot.

, which shows the picture taken for a second or more. You can switch that off to get you an uninterrupted view of the scene. I use all of these when taking pictures of BIF, bIF, planes, etc.

If you do okay with an EVF, you'd do better with an OVF because reducing lag will improve performance.

I can do well with an EVF too - I just have to zoom out and crop later. Tight framing with fast moving subjects is really hard with an EVF because of lag.

 

[Lee Jay]

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Actually.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1353034-REG/hoodman_hlvkit_live_view_kit_for.html

 

[tbcass]

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1353036-REG/hoodman_h30mb_hoodloupe_3_0_outdoor_loop.html

Actually.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1353034-REG/hoodman_hlvkit_live_view_kit_for.html

Yes that looks better.