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Yesterday i posted this thread. Titled "A reason not to buy from B&H"

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=20292429

Please do NOT NOT NOT respond to it.

I want it to die a slow and horrible death or at least get bumped to the second page. Where it will get lost in the muck that is the DPR archives.

I truely wish i could delete this thread that is why i am posting this thread.

One thing that on the does bother me is that people call me unethical and immoral, scam artist and the like. Not that the words bother be so much. But i am a firm beleiver we need to live by the rules that society set upon us. When in Rome do as the Romans do. And as where the photographic society is concerned i want to live by the general morals that is set upon us as photographers.

An Example

About a year ago I returned an unopened Canon copier ($600) to Office Depot because the next day when at Costco they had the the EXACT same copier for $200 Less.

What i do want to know is why everyone so uniformily dislikes the ability of me as a shopper to be able to return a product within the alloted time period and specifications of the return policy (No phisical signs of use and 200 maximum shutter actuations.. So that i can qualify for a rebate offered by Canon.

Can anyone give me a good reason as to why this is WRONG.
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Click on the "complaint" link and you might be able to get the thread deleted by Phil and at the same time be the first to request your own banning from the forum :-)

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In the case of B&H vs. a local shop, you've planned your fraud in advance. In the case of the copier, it was just one of those things, and if the office store offers a guarantee of satisfaction, you were within your rights to return it, being, of course, not so satisfied with the price. Of course, if you made up some other story to return it, things change.
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IMO returns are not meant for you to shop around and find things cheaper somehwere else.

the fact that you went to the store and bought something means the store had cost dealing with you

even worse of course if the product was opened. In this case the product can not be sold as new anymore and now it also starts costing everybody as the products price has to include the cost of returns

Even worse of course if you deliberately plan on buying and returning/rebuying.

A lot of the stores luckily stop allowing such return and rebuys which i think they should.

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Damkader said:
Can anyone give me a good reason as to why this is WRONG.
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Because you know you will return it before you even buy it.

Return policies are not created to facilitate free renting of equipment. And basically that's what you are doing: You want to rent the merchandise for free while waiting for the price you are willing to pay.

In the meantime your "free rent" results in stricter return policies, which penalize those who have legitimate return reasons, and higher sales rates to everyone so that your free rent can be accommodated.

Beating the system is not free. Beating the system costs everyone more money.

Olga
 
Ok i hit the complain button on myself.

after much thought.

I do think the premedited aspect of the action is wrong. And i freely admit that i am wrong.

The local store that I go to has a similar policy as b&h 2 weeks not signs of use less then 200 actuations. And no restocking fee.

As all of you know with only 200 actuations allowed, all that one could reasonably do is take some test picture (focus accuracy, Hot dead pixel test, handleing) and the like.
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Damkader said:
Yesterday i posted this thread. Titled "A reason not to buy from B&H"
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Oy!

Well, it's a poor title for your previous post, that's for sure. Anyway, I think it's a fair question that you can ask about the receipt, but the real question is why did you post what you did, not whether the responses you got match your values or morals.

Ok, I don't want to hammer you but seriously, let me make sure I have this right; you're whining about trying to pull a fast one and not succeeding, you're whining about posting something pretty dumb (I'm sure we've all wanted to delete posts), and then you're whining because others call you on it? Do I have that right? That's pretty much the way I see it, and it has nothing to do with your right to return an unopened copier.

You go after a respected dealer because you want to bend the rules and then determine it may take some work on your part and theirs. You know it's not what Canon wants you to do, you know it causes B&H more work, you know you're the only that really benefits from your scheme, so why impugn others when you don't get what you want?

Are you unable to wait for two weeks until the rebates become valid or was this all a fictional purchase (as your post suggests) and you just wanted to spin people up and see what would happen? Perhaps if you answer those questions for yourself you'll have a better understanding of what went on here.
 
I bought a $650 Pioneer in dash receiver for my car From Best Buy.

I then decided I liked it and ordered a $450 unit online.

When the online unit arrived...I verified that the UPC codes were identical (they can sometimes change the UPC codes for different retailers) and returned the unopened $400 unit.

I know it was wrong...but at least Best Buy got a unit that they can re-sell as NEW.

I knew the serial numbers may casue a problem one day...so this is my only regret and guilt. I am a bad person I know...thanks for reading...I had to get that off my chest.

Most vendors do not price match with discount houses like Costco or BJ's for example. So getting them to price match would have been out of the question. In your situation...I do not condemn you for your actions...because I probably would have returned it too if I found it cheaper elsewhere...BTW, why did you not return the unopened cheaper unit to the original vendor kinda like what I did? Did you need the money to buy the $400 one?
 
The other day i was reading this post

In this thread: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=20270384


I just ordered a 5D, 35MM F1.4, 85MM F1.2 135Mm F.2 and Pre-Ordered the 50MM F1.2.

I asked the B&H Sales Person if Canon had rebates comming in October, he stated no. Well i know it takes more than one day to publish a magazine.


I was just wondering how my local store would handle the situation.

Basically they would adjust the date of the invoice.

My guess is that with b&h, they would have to receive the product back after i received the product and then reship it back to me.
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If you are you talking about the copier. I returned the copier that i bought from Office Depot back to Office Depot NOT the one that I got from Costco and it was unopened.

Maybe this a a vein attemt to "clear up my name"

But to be honest. I still don't see what the big deal is to have the local store readjust the purchase date so i can qualify for about $700 or so in rebates.

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The definition of an "amoral" person is .... that an amoral person is unaware of or indifferent to questions of right or wrong.

To buy something knowing that you are going to return it is amoral in terms of thought. I guess we cannot instill morals in people who are unaware or indifferent between right and wrong and as a result remain unconvinced their actions are amoral.

However, in this case the OP after many responses admits he was wrong, so I guess he has already learned a great deal today, albeit nothing related to photography.

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picfox said:
Damkarder, don't worry, most of the replies is faked honesty just
to show morality. It's ridiculous
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Oh ouch just read the latest post from the OP.
I take it back. He hasn't learned anything...........
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PC writes:
I can't speak for anyone else but myself so, please take it at that value.

1) I don't return anything I bought unless defective or I received the wrong products. I just bought a 4GB SD from Neweggs.com and I can't get it to work in my 1Ds Mark II and I didn't return it (I am not being stupid but just hate returning non-defective goods) because I know the card is good but my camera can't use it and I did not do enough research before buying it. My fault.

2) If I bought a product from a store and found elsewhere cheaper within the week or two and the difference in price worths the effort then I will ask the store to match the price. Most stores in the US will gladly do that for you. They sure don't want anything returned to them... for whatever reason.

3) I don't want anyone's opened good. When I paid for new camera, I want "new" not "New with 200 actuation". When I buy a new car, I don't want a "New with 500 miles on it". However, if I bought as opened item then I know what I am paying for.

I am not saying anything you did is wrong, but if I were you, instead of returning, I would ask for a price match. Some people are taking advantage of the liberal store policies. One day, we all will lose what we abused.

My personal two cents.

Paul
 
If you think that by buying a 5D and returning said 5D within the parameters of the return policy is "amoral" so one can qualify for a rebate that that the sales person "probably" or might have known about.

Then i qualify as an amoral person by the standard of your definition.
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Rock Lee said:
The word is immoral .
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Acctually in this case i think it would be AMORAL as with regards to this situation anyways, as i truely do not understand what is wrong with returning a product that is unused or used within the parameters of the the return policy, set by the SELLER.

I admit that it would only be returned so as to qualify for a substantial rebate.

Is this so Wrong?
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