Handling updates I would like to see in the Zf II

[monte12345]

Yeah I'm talking about the next iteration on the next Zf. Because IMO there are some oversights that Nikon made with the current Zf and yes they might add a small bit of cost to the camera. However they are a touch annoying if you have any other Nikon full frame Z cameras.

First up is button placement. That AF/AE button should be in the same position as it is on the Z6, Z7, and the Z8. If you have your camera set up for Back Button Focus that oddball position can be annoying. I would also like to see the position of the Display and Menu buttons reversed because I keep hitting the display button when I actually want the Menu button. BTW, I usually have the rear screen turned in on my Zf and use the EVF for the Menu and I menu functions.

Second, there should be TWO function buttons on the front of the camera. There is plenty of room for a second button and the placement of the second button could duplicate the Preview button on the F2. Heck they could also put an AF-S, AF-C, MF lever around it that matches the mirror lockup lever on the F2.

Third may not be possible considering the reduced volume inside the camera body. However position the I menu button a bit closer to the rear screen and it may be possible to return a joystick to the rear of the Zf.

Yeah it's a short list. Key for me is the button for back button focus, changing between my Z7 II and the Zf has me reaching for the wrong spot on any camera I haven't used recently. As for the added function button, my own use for that would be to change the release mode with a command dial. Truth is the Back Button Focus yields AF-S, AF-C, and MF all depending on how you use the Back Button and Focus ring on the lens.

 

[BBMT]

I agree with most of your suggestions.

My solution for the bbf issue is to use the shutter half-press for af.

This has been surprisingly intuitive for me, even when switching between the Z8 set up for bbf and the Zf set up for shutter af.

It was much more difficult for me to convince my thumb to stretch for bbf on the Zf.

It is now second nature to use the selected af activation on each camera.

Go figure.

 

[msu79gt82]

I thought the primary purpose of the Zf was to create a retro version of their classic film cameras like the FM2 :-|

 

[PLShutterbug]

I thought the primary purpose of the Zf was to create a retro version of their classic film cameras like the FM2 :-|

FE2. The FM was manual exposure - I had one.

 

[BBMT]

I thought the primary purpose of the Zf was to create a retro version of their classic film cameras like the FM2 :-|

I thought the Zf was a retro-inspired modern digital camera.

none of the OP’s suggestions would change that.

 

[AlainCh2]

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First up is button placement. That AF/AE button should be in the same position as it is on the Z6, Z7, and the Z8.
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I would also like to see the position of the Display and Menu buttons reversed because I keep hitting the display button when I actually want the Menu button.
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Second, there should be TWO function buttons on the front of the camera.

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Key for me is the button for back button focus, changing between my Z7 II and the Zf has me reaching for the wrong spot on any camera ....

Yes, I never thought that ... but now that you wrote that I do heartily agree:
the AE BB button is not in a "normal" position!

That's why I miss it several times during a session in both my bodies!!!

OUCH !!!
> I suppose they gave too much room to the designer, instead of the photographers.

2) About the Disp Button ...
Yes, it is a pain! Same reason expressed above :-(
I've set the Disp to MyMenu and solved the "position" issue.
Now I'm missing the Disp that cannot be programmed in the "i" menu.

1 & 3) To partially save me on the AE unknown problem,
I've set the 3d tracking on FN. That solves both the tracking and the AF point.
On the other body, I've set the FN2 as Point Focus Center & Track, leaving AE BB to activate the focus.

It is a sad solution, but while I shoot I don't want finger's confusion.
It should be an automatic process that does not require my attention.

( thanks for pointing that out - you solved a mystery)

 

[CliveTJ]

I’ve stopped using a grip on my Zf and instead use a leather half case. This I find changes what’s a comfortable position for BBF. With a grip I agree the button is too far left due to my hand being pulled further to the front of the camera. Without a grip it works fine for me.

 

[buildingsights]

I thought the primary purpose of the Zf was to create a retro version of their classic film cameras like the FM2 :-|

FE2. The FM was manual exposure - I had one.

Nikon mentions (webpage) that it was inspired by the FM2... (i have both FE and FM2)

 

[MJ_Photo38]

I don't have a Zf, so my "complaint" really only comes form the very short use of it I had in a store, but I would definitely add a thumb rest to this camera. I can deal with a lack of front grip, as long as the thumb is secured, but the Zf has neither.

Also, this applies to teh Zf, but also every other Nikon Z cameras : please take some nots out of Sony's book and implement that tilt + swivel mount for the display !

This is the best of both worlds in terms of handling, the flip out screen is one of the reasons that completely turned me off on the Zf, as I like to shoot from the hip, but doing so with a fully articulated screen is a PITA (yet at the same time, the advantages offred by such a screen are very real : the ability to close it off to protect the screen from marks, as well as the grat articulation for vertical use).

 

[PLShutterbug]

I thought the primary purpose of the Zf was to create a retro version of their classic film cameras like the FM2 :-|

FE2. The FM was manual exposure - I had one.

Nikon mentions (webpage) that it was inspired by the FM2... (i have both FE and FM2)

Thanks. That’s surprising though, since they were very similar. Not enough difference between them that, 40 years later Nikon called out one vs. the other as the inspiration.

 

[Stavrosf]

1. Better support on manual lenses without contacts (I think that can be supported from the current Zf with firmware update). Focus confirmation should be added to every lens.

2. Better thump support (this will make it much better camera to handle)

3. Improve the screen that depicts the aperture (to be able to be viewable even when is a bit darker and maybe with bigger numbers)

4. I would like to see Z9/8 sensor that it will improve handling eg better readout speed - for improved silent mode/replace the shutter speed with a dust cover (and of course offer 45 megapixels)

5. Better viewfinder

6. Improve snapbridge support (having issues with Zf, but not with ZFc using the same mobile)

7. CF Express card support

8. Add AF-on button (one more customizable button if you use manual focus lenses)

9. Add settings banks for each one of the settings dial (camera, B&W, video). I would like to be easy for example to change settings when I use a MF lens vs an AF lens)

 

[MJ_Photo38]

1. Better support on manual lenses without contacts (I think that can be supported from the current Zf with firmware update). Focus confirmation should be added to every lens.

I think this is tied to the distance reading on Nikon lenses.

Can someone confirm that the focus confirmation doesn't work with AF lenses that are not to teh "D" standard?

2. Better thump support (this will make it much better camera to handle)

+1

3. Improve the screen that depicts the aperture (to be able to be viewable even when is a bit darker and maybe with bigger numbers)

I don't get this one, you mean the top display? I'd like for them to use the same OLED screen tech as they used in teh Z6 : backlit, can still read it in sunlight

4. I would like to see Z9/8 sensor that it will improve handling eg better readout speed - for improved silent mode/replace the shutter speed with a dust cover (and of course offer 45 megapixels)

Extremely unlikely to happen : the dust cover stuff means no shutter, which means stacked sensor only.

If you want the Zf to have the sensor of a Z8, you need to be prepared to drop Z8 money for it. And at this point, I'm not sure Nikon would be prepared to make such a product.

They made the Df a high end camera, look what happened.

5. Better viewfinder

I feel like this EVF is already more than good enough. Sure, the Z6III's is better, but the resolution of the ZF's is good, the magnification is good, the refresh rate is okay. Overall it's a really good EVF and some more expensive cameras still have the same or worse, so honestly this isn't something I would change.

6. Improve snapbridge support (having issues with Zf, but not with ZFc using the same mobile)

At this point all brands need to have a better app.

7. CF Express card support

Not compatible with the current battery placement. The were already unable to put a second SD slot and had to settle for a micro SD. CFXB cards are unrealistic in teh Zf's form factor.

8. Add AF-on button (one more customizable button if you use manual focus lenses)

+1, all Nikon bodies should have an AF-ON button, not just the modern looking ones (that's for the Zfc II if such a camera happens one day)

9. Add settings banks for each one of the settings dial (camera, B&W, video). I would like to be easy for example to change settings when I use a MF lens vs an AF lens)

I don't generally use them, but I can see that being pretty useful.

 

[Stavrosf]

1. Better support on manual lenses without contacts (I think that can be supported from the current Zf with firmware update). Focus confirmation should be added to every lens.

I think this is tied to the distance reading on Nikon lenses.

Can someone confirm that the focus confirmation doesn't work with AF lenses that are not to teh "D" standard?

That is not true. Voigtlander Z lenses do not have the distance reading (on the other hand Sony version have it) and the same is true with using a MF with some specific adapters with contacts (Neewer FE to Z AF adapter and TTArtisan 6bit adapter - I own both). They all have focus confirmation. I guess the D part is needed for

2. Better thump support (this will make it much better camera to handle)

+1

3. Improve the screen that depicts the aperture (to be able to be viewable even when is a bit darker and maybe with bigger numbers)

I don't get this one, you mean the top display? I'd like for them to use the same OLED screen tech as they used in teh Z6 : backlit, can still read it in sunlight

Yes, the top plate - it is unreadable for me. Needs to be bigger for sure.

4. I would like to see Z9/8 sensor that it will improve handling eg better readout speed - for improved silent mode/replace the shutter speed with a dust cover (and of course offer 45 megapixels)

Extremely unlikely to happen : the dust cover stuff means no shutter, which means stacked sensor only.

If you want the Zf to have the sensor of a Z8, you need to be prepared to drop Z8 money for it. And at this point, I'm not sure Nikon would be prepared to make such a product.

They made the Df a high end camera, look what happened.

The D500 sensor is now on Z30. It is possible in the future the Z8/Z9 sensor to go down to more affordable bodies.

5. Better viewfinder

I feel like this EVF is already more than good enough. Sure, the Z6III's is better, but the resolution of the ZF's is good, the magnification is good, the refresh rate is okay. Overall it's a really good EVF and some more expensive cameras still have the same or worse, so honestly this isn't something I would change.

The refresh rate is not ok on dark places. It becomes really slow.

6. Improve snapbridge support (having issues with Zf, but not with ZFc using the same mobile)

At this point all brands need to have a better app.

7. CF Express card support

Not compatible with the current battery placement. The were already unable to put a second SD slot and had to settle for a micro SD. CFXB cards are unrealistic in teh Zf's form factor.

It is realistic for me. They need to change their space management maybe.

8. Add AF-on button (one more customizable button if you use manual focus lenses)

+1, all Nikon bodies should have an AF-ON button, not just the modern looking ones (that's for the Zfc II if such a camera happens one day)

9. Add settings banks for each one of the settings dial (camera, B&W, video). I would like to be easy for example to change settings when I use a MF lens vs an AF lens)

I don't generally use them, but I can see that being pretty useful.

I will add another point: more lightweight and maybe a bit smaller.

 

[michaeladawson]

My short comment in response to no one in particular, just the comments I read about improving the Zf (and probably Zfc).

Nikon creates a retro camera inspired by 40+ year old film cameras. Ostensibly in response to perceived demand for such a camera. And when they do, people start asking for this and that to turn this retro camera into a modern high performance digital camera that differs from a Z6 or Z8 in only the shape of the hump and the addition of a shutter speed dial.

I just find that to be quite ironic. Heck, Nikon already stopped making lenses with real aperture rings years ago. And please, I'm well aware of the "control ring". Not the same thing. So sure, Nikon may as well just go ahead and turn it into a Z6 III featured camera.

Without the appropriate lenses I don't see myself ever buying a Zf. Unlike the Df, the Zf doesn't even support the legacy lenses in the way they should. I prefer Fujifilm digital cameras for the retro experience. I also still shoot film quite frequently using a Nikon F2AS, FM3a, Leica M6, Bronica SQa, and Fujifilm GSW680. Also been meaning to get my Kodak Brownie Bullseye back out.

 

[buildingsights]

My short comment in response to no one in particular, just the comments I read about improving the Zf (and probably Zfc).

Nikon creates a retro camera inspired by 40+ year old film cameras. Ostensibly in response to perceived demand for such a camera. And when they do, people start asking for this and that to turn this retro camera into a modern high performance digital camera that differs from a Z6 or Z8 in only the shape of the hump and the addition of a shutter speed dial.

I just find that to be quite ironic. Heck, Nikon already stopped making lenses with real aperture rings years ago. And please, I'm well aware of the "control ring". Not the same thing. So sure, Nikon may as well just go ahead and turn it into a Z6 III featured camera.

Without the appropriate lenses I don't see myself ever buying a Zf. Unlike the Df, the Zf doesn't even support the legacy lenses in the way they should. I prefer Fujifilm digital cameras for the retro experience. I also still shoot film quite frequently using a Nikon F2AS, FM3a, Leica M6, Bronica SQa, and Fujifilm GSW680. Also been meaning to get my Kodak Brownie Bullseye back out.

do you have a site,etc where one can see examples of photos from all these cameras?
thanks!

 

[MJ_Photo38]

1. Better support on manual lenses without contacts (I think that can be supported from the current Zf with firmware update). Focus confirmation should be added to every lens.

I think this is tied to the distance reading on Nikon lenses.

Can someone confirm that the focus confirmation doesn't work with AF lenses that are not to teh "D" standard?

That is not true. Voigtlander Z lenses do not have the distance reading (on the other hand Sony version have it) and the same is true with using a MF with some specific adapters with contacts (Neewer FE to Z AF adapter and TTArtisan 6bit adapter - I own both). They all have focus confirmation. I guess the D part is needed for

2. Better thump support (this will make it much better camera to handle)

+1

3. Improve the screen that depicts the aperture (to be able to be viewable even when is a bit darker and maybe with bigger numbers)

I don't get this one, you mean the top display? I'd like for them to use the same OLED screen tech as they used in teh Z6 : backlit, can still read it in sunlight

Yes, the top plate - it is unreadable for me. Needs to be bigger for sure.

4. I would like to see Z9/8 sensor that it will improve handling eg better readout speed - for improved silent mode/replace the shutter speed with a dust cover (and of course offer 45 megapixels)

Extremely unlikely to happen : the dust cover stuff means no shutter, which means stacked sensor only.

If you want the Zf to have the sensor of a Z8, you need to be prepared to drop Z8 money for it. And at this point, I'm not sure Nikon would be prepared to make such a product.

They made the Df a high end camera, look what happened.

The D500 sensor is now on Z30. It is possible in the future the Z8/Z9 sensor to go down to more affordable bodies.

The D500's sensor is a little bit of a different situation though... it was a sensor that was intended as being multi-platform from the get go, as not even a year later it found its way in the D7500 which was very much just a mid range camera, and then another yer later it was in the entry level Z50.

Completely different from using the top of the line sensor from let's say a D5 or D6 in a D780, which is what a Z8 or Z9 sensor would be. To my knowledge, the only three instances where Nikon used the flagship sensor in a camera that wasn't the flagship were the D700 (using teh D3's sensor because they had no other full frame sensor), the Df (using the D4 sensor) and the Z8 (using the Z9 sensor). All of those cameras ended up at a price point around $4000 USD (counting inflation in).

As much as I would like to see that really nice 45MP stacked sensor to be in more affordable cameras, it is an expensive sensor to make and I think it's unlikely we'll see it come to a mid range camera like the Zf.

IMHO we're much more likely to see either the partially stacked 24MP chip from the Z6III or a 45MP version of that partially stacked design, but not the fully stacked 45MP chip from the Z9.

5. Better viewfinder

I feel like this EVF is already more than good enough. Sure, the Z6III's is better, but the resolution of the ZF's is good, the magnification is good, the refresh rate is okay. Overall it's a really good EVF and some more expensive cameras still have the same or worse, so honestly this isn't something I would change.

The refresh rate is not ok on dark places. It becomes really slow.

That's not because of the EVF, that's because of the sensor that needs to read slower to not become a noisy mess.

You want a faster sensor, not a faster EVF.

6. Improve snapbridge support (having issues with Zf, but not with ZFc using the same mobile)

At this point all brands need to have a better app.

7. CF Express card support

Not compatible with the current battery placement. The were already unable to put a second SD slot and had to settle for a micro SD. CFXB cards are unrealistic in teh Zf's form factor.

It is realistic for me. They need to change their space management maybe.

I think you underestimate just how much space a CFXB slot takes in a camera. Even by changing the space management in the Zf, it's pretty much impossible, unless you use a smaller battery like the EN-EL25. I was a bit worried seeing the Zf being announced, that it would use that battery because of the lack of a grip, but I was relieved to see that they still managed to fit the big EN-EL15. I will take the SD + Micro SD compromise anyday instead of a single CFXB slot, no additional SD slot and an EN-EL25 battery. This doesn't make any sense to me.

In terms of thickness they're at the limit in the Zf. Don't forget you also have to fit the mainboard, the sensor, IBIS, all the daughterboards for the buttons etc. The Zf is a cramped camera, even more than the already very dense Z6II and Z7II bodies

8. Add AF-on button (one more customizable button if you use manual focus lenses)

+1, all Nikon bodies should have an AF-ON button, not just the modern looking ones (that's for the Zfc II if such a camera happens one day)

9. Add settings banks for each one of the settings dial (camera, B&W, video). I would like to be easy for example to change settings when I use a MF lens vs an AF lens)

I don't generally use them, but I can see that being pretty useful.

I will add another point: more lightweight and maybe a bit smaller.

That's incompatible with keeping the larger battery, and also with the CFXB thing.

If you want a smaller / lighter body, then look at the Zfc, since it's basically that. This camera is not as cramped as the Zf, but if you wanted a camera in that kind of format : you either keep the SD + Micro SD slots and need to settle for an EN-EL25 battery, or you fir an EN-EL15 and only have 1 SD slot.

At any case, there is no way a CFXB card is fitting in either configuration, I'm not even sure that fitting an 8 stop full frame IBIS unit as well as the EN-EL15 in that smaller body would be realistic







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[monte12345]

Taking it from a 2000 dollar bargain camera to just another camera a bit beyond the budget of a majority of shooters.

I kept my list as short as I did for a reason. That being the price/performance of the current Zf makes it the best bargain Z camera Nikon has ever offered at this point in time. BTW the next best bargain, and it's a close second, is the 24-120mm f4 S lens.

Yes, I did think about adding the semi stacked sensor of the z6 III to the next generation of the Zf but felt it would add too much cost to the camera. Good news is the Zf will do 14 fps with the mechanical shutter so a semi stacked sensor would be more luxury than need.

 

[michaeladawson]

do you have a site,etc where one can see examples of photos from all these cameras?
thanks!

Yes and no. I have a site. It's in my profile. Unfortunately, the site is poorly organized. I've been meaning to spend some time to get it back up to date for a few years now. And the site as it exists today only has digital images, IIRC.

My site is a Zenfolio site. What matters about that is that if no one looks at images in the various galleries in your site, Zenfolio has an automatic archiving mechanism. So if you were to go to the site today you would find a lot of galleries with no images. If someone visits the galleries Zenfolio will then automatically restore the images. But that takes up to a day.

 

[buildingsights]

do you have a site,etc where one can see examples of photos from all these cameras?
thanks!

Yes and no. I have a site. It's in my profile. Unfortunately, the site is poorly organized. I've been meaning to spend some time to get it back up to date for a few years now. And the site as it exists today only has digital images, IIRC.

My site is a Zenfolio site. What matters about that is that if no one looks at images in the various galleries in your site, Zenfolio has an automatic archiving mechanism. So if you were to go to the site today you would find a lot of galleries with no images. If someone visits the galleries Zenfolio will then automatically restore the images. But that takes up to a day.

thanks anyway!

i went to have a peek, there are some nice fotos there!
shame about the archive thingie at zenfolio... i tried the search for bronica, leica... but no luck...and then went to the guestbook but it seems that is a bit wild!

it seems that many sites, including mine, are always eternally under-construction!

 

[Stavrosf]

1. Better support on manual lenses without contacts (I think that can be supported from the current Zf with firmware update). Focus confirmation should be added to every lens.

I think this is tied to the distance reading on Nikon lenses.

Can someone confirm that the focus confirmation doesn't work with AF lenses that are not to teh "D" standard?

That is not true. Voigtlander Z lenses do not have the distance reading (on the other hand Sony version have it) and the same is true with using a MF with some specific adapters with contacts (Neewer FE to Z AF adapter and TTArtisan 6bit adapter - I own both). They all have focus confirmation. I guess the D part is needed for

2. Better thump support (this will make it much better camera to handle)

+1

3. Improve the screen that depicts the aperture (to be able to be viewable even when is a bit darker and maybe with bigger numbers)

I don't get this one, you mean the top display? I'd like for them to use the same OLED screen tech as they used in teh Z6 : backlit, can still read it in sunlight

Yes, the top plate - it is unreadable for me. Needs to be bigger for sure.

4. I would like to see Z9/8 sensor that it will improve handling eg better readout speed - for improved silent mode/replace the shutter speed with a dust cover (and of course offer 45 megapixels)

Extremely unlikely to happen : the dust cover stuff means no shutter, which means stacked sensor only.

If you want the Zf to have the sensor of a Z8, you need to be prepared to drop Z8 money for it. And at this point, I'm not sure Nikon would be prepared to make such a product.

They made the Df a high end camera, look what happened.

The D500 sensor is now on Z30. It is possible in the future the Z8/Z9 sensor to go down to more affordable bodies.

The D500's sensor is a little bit of a different situation though... it was a sensor that was intended as being multi-platform from the get go, as not even a year later it found its way in the D7500 which was very much just a mid range camera, and then another yer later it was in the entry level Z50.

Completely different from using the top of the line sensor from let's say a D5 or D6 in a D780, which is what a Z8 or Z9 sensor would be. To my knowledge, the only three instances where Nikon used the flagship sensor in a camera that wasn't the flagship were the D700 (using teh D3's sensor because they had no other full frame sensor), the Df (using the D4 sensor) and the Z8 (using the Z9 sensor). All of those cameras ended up at a price point around $4000 USD (counting inflation in).

As much as I would like to see that really nice 45MP stacked sensor to be in more affordable cameras, it is an expensive sensor to make and I think it's unlikely we'll see it come to a mid range camera like the Zf.

IMHO we're much more likely to see either the partially stacked 24MP chip from the Z6III or a 45MP version of that partially stacked design, but not the fully stacked 45MP chip from the Z9.

5. Better viewfinder

I feel like this EVF is already more than good enough. Sure, the Z6III's is better, but the resolution of the ZF's is good, the magnification is good, the refresh rate is okay. Overall it's a really good EVF and some more expensive cameras still have the same or worse, so honestly this isn't something I would change.

The refresh rate is not ok on dark places. It becomes really slow.

That's not because of the EVF, that's because of the sensor that needs to read slower to not become a noisy mess.

You want a faster sensor, not a faster EVF.

6. Improve snapbridge support (having issues with Zf, but not with ZFc using the same mobile)

At this point all brands need to have a better app.

7. CF Express card support

Not compatible with the current battery placement. The were already unable to put a second SD slot and had to settle for a micro SD. CFXB cards are unrealistic in teh Zf's form factor.

It is realistic for me. They need to change their space management maybe.

I think you underestimate just how much space a CFXB slot takes in a camera. Even by changing the space management in the Zf, it's pretty much impossible, unless you use a smaller battery like the EN-EL25. I was a bit worried seeing the Zf being announced, that it would use that battery because of the lack of a grip, but I was relieved to see that they still managed to fit the big EN-EL15. I will take the SD + Micro SD compromise anyday instead of a single CFXB slot, no additional SD slot and an EN-EL25 battery. This doesn't make any sense to me.

In terms of thickness they're at the limit in the Zf. Don't forget you also have to fit the mainboard, the sensor, IBIS, all the daughterboards for the buttons etc. The Zf is a cramped camera, even more than the already very dense Z6II and Z7II bodies

I have a Zf and a ZFc. I had a Z6. I know both. I still own CF express cards and readers. There are smaller FF cameras that have IBIS, boards etc eg the Panasonic S9. Two years ago I would agree that it wasn't feasible, but right now I see that it can be done. For some strange reason I do not have issue with the micro SD card (although I would expect next iteration to be a faster one) - but I prefer the CF express vs the SD.

8. Add AF-on button (one more customizable button if you use manual focus lenses)

+1, all Nikon bodies should have an AF-ON button, not just the modern looking ones (that's for the Zfc II if such a camera happens one day)

9. Add settings banks for each one of the settings dial (camera, B&W, video). I would like to be easy for example to change settings when I use a MF lens vs an AF lens)

I don't generally use them, but I can see that being pretty useful.

I will add another point: more lightweight and maybe a bit smaller.

That's incompatible with keeping the larger battery, and also with the CFXB thing.

If you want a smaller / lighter body, then look at the Zfc, since it's basically that. This camera is not as cramped as the Zf, but if you wanted a camera in that kind of format : you either keep the SD + Micro SD slots and need to settle for an EN-EL25 battery, or you fir an EN-EL15 and only have 1 SD slot.

At any case, there is no way a CFXB card is fitting in either configuration, I'm not even sure that fitting an 8 stop full frame IBIS unit as well as the EN-EL15 in that smaller body would be realistic

I have a ZFc as well. I hava also a Ricoh GR III. The body is much smaller and it has IBIS as well. I am saying that with today technology (from all manufacturers) they can fit all these and make a smaller body as well. I am describing what I would like from the next iteration. I do not believe that it would be too soon, so Nikon has the time to manage all these.

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