Explain RX10IV Memory Mode Slots to me

[smorgasbord]

Upgraded from iii to iv and welcoming the new memory modes, but don't know the difference between:

1 2 M1 M2 M3 M4

Why isn't this just 1 2 3 4 5 6, or M1, M2, M3, M4? That makes me think there's something different between the 1 and 2 and the M1-M4.

Furthermore, there seems to be some special interaction if I assign one of these memory modes to a custom button (C1, C2, maybe C3 also) rather than selecting the mode from the MR on the dial.

And given that at least the Shooting Mode can be changed without changing the physical dial (and it seems maybe AF to MF regardless of its dial), how does the inconsistency work in terms of resetting? Like if the dials are P and AF-C and the memory is A and MF, then when I recall I get A and MF. But, if I move the dial to S that would change the shooting mode to Shutter - does that also change the focus back to its dial? And if not then how does resetting everything to reflect the dials (exposure compensation comes to mind as well) work?

TIA

 

[smorgasbord]

OK, I think I figured it out. From the manual:

Memory (Camera Settings1/Camera Settings2)

Allows you to register up to 3 often-used modes or product settings to the product and up to 4 (M1 through M4) to the memory card. You can recall the settings using just the mode dial.

So the 1,2,3 are stored in the camera

The M1, M2, M3, M4 are stored on the current SD card.

 

[Guy Parsons]

OK, I think I figured it out. From the manual:

Memory (Camera Settings1/Camera Settings2)

Allows you to register up to 3 often-used modes or product settings to the product and up to 4 (M1 through M4) to the memory card. You can recall the settings using just the mode dial.

So the 1,2,3 are stored in the camera

The M1, M2, M3, M4 are stored on the current SD card.

Sounds the same as my RX100M6.

To find the card ones here's my SD card folder layout....

Stills in DCIM area, video clips found within PRIVATE area.

The blue highlighted folder is where my M1-M4 settings are. They get wiped with card format so always make sure to copy them to PC to save them for later restore.

 

[smorgasbord]

So, it looks like using a custom button to recall a memory setting means those settings only take effect while the button is held down, which makes it pretty useless for most things I can think of.

Which is too bad, because it'd be great to have C1 bring up Memory Recall 1, C2 bring up Memory Recall 2, etc. But looks like I have to select MR in the Shooting Mode Dial and then choose which of the 7 to recall.

 

[Digital Nigel]

So, it looks like using a custom button to recall a memory setting means those settings only take effect while the button is held down, which makes it pretty useless for most things I can think of.

There was somebody along here recently who wanted exactly that. He said he normally shot in Manual mode, but needed a quick, temporary override button to get auto exposure. This capability lets you set up exactly how you want the override mode to function. For example, you might set it up as your BiF button, to be used if you suddenly spot a bird and want to grab a shot.

Which is too bad, because it'd be great to have C1 bring up Memory Recall 1, C2 bring up Memory Recall 2, etc. But looks like I have to select MR in the Shooting Mode Dial and then choose which of the 7 to recall.

Yes, but it’s not all that much effort.

 

[sherman_levine]

So, it looks like using a custom button to recall a memory setting means those settings only take effect while the button is held down, which makes it pretty useless for most things I can think of.

Which is too bad, because it'd be great to have C1 bring up Memory Recall 1, C2 bring up Memory Recall 2, etc. But looks like I have to select MR in the Shooting Mode Dial and then choose which of the 7 to recall.

The Custom button actions are indeed temporary (which I think is appropriate because they can override physical dial settings). OTOH, you can configure them to closely match your memory settings.

This post has some excellent configuration suggestions https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/64916561

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Sherm

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[smorgasbord]

The Custom button actions are indeed temporary (which I think is appropriate because they can override physical dial settings).

There is precedent for overriding physical controls in both Aperture (Shooting Mode of P ignores it), and also the Exposure Compensation dial ("Exposure Comp" setting in the Camera Settings 1 Menu, page 7 overrides it). But that's moot as there will be no more firmware upgrades for this camers.

OTOH, you can configure them to closely match your memory settings.

Well, I can change Drive Mode to Continuous, but can't change AF to AF-C, so that reduces the usefulness of Memory Recall, even via the Shoot Mode dial, to me.

This post has some excellent configuration suggestions https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/64916561

Thanks for that link. But, I find it too cumbersome to hold down a custom button while shooting. First, it's just cumbersome. Second, you can't tweak anything while holding that custom button down. With Memory Recall, I can tweak most other settings.

I'll use the MR Shoot Mode feature - it's a just a bit more cumbersome than I'd prefer. And, not recalling AF or Aperture makes it all a bit more cumbersome than it needed to be.

 

[smorgasbord]

There was somebody along here recently who wanted exactly that. He said he normally shot in Manual mode, but needed a quick, temporary override button to get auto exposure. This capability lets you set up exactly how you want the override mode to function. For example, you might set it up as your BiF button, to be used if you suddenly spot a bird and want to grab a shot.

I don't see that working for me:

Imagine I'm shooting a landscape. So, f/8 to get a nice depth of field, DMF to focus just where I want and not have it hunt, among other settings. Now I spot a bird and want to grab it as it takes off. No matter how I recall my BIF settings, I can't change Aperture to wide open, nor change auto-focus to Continuous. So, I have to change both of those physical controls before pressing the Custom Button. As well as zooming to where I want to be.

But, even worse, if I'm using a custom button, I have to hold down that button while zooming as well as shooting. And I don't know if the Exposure Compensation dial has to be set while holding down the custom button or not.

Which is too bad, because it'd be great to have C1 bring up Memory Recall 1, C2 bring up Memory Recall 2, etc. But looks like I have to select MR in the Shooting Mode Dial and then choose which of the 7 to recall.

Yes, but it’s not all that much effort.

Yeah, just not ideal.

 

[sherman_levine]

The Custom button actions are indeed temporary (which I think is appropriate because they can override physical dial settings).

There is precedent for overriding physical controls in both Aperture (Shooting Mode of P ignores it), and also the Exposure Compensation dial ("Exposure Comp" setting in the Camera Settings 1 Menu, page 7 overrides it). But that's moot as there will be no more firmware upgrades for this camers.

The first one is of course true. The second is an unanticipated oddity.

OTOH, you can configure them to closely match your memory settings.

Well, I can change Drive Mode to Continuous, but can't change AF to AF-C, so that reduces the usefulness of Memory Recall, even via the Shoot Mode dial, to me.

This post has some excellent configuration suggestions https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/64916561

Thanks for that link. But, I find it too cumbersome to hold down a custom button while shooting. First, it's just cumbersome. Second, you can't tweak anything while holding that custom button down. With Memory Recall, I can tweak most other settings.

I'll use the MR Shoot Mode feature - it's a just a bit more cumbersome than I'd prefer. And, not recalling AF or Aperture makes it all a bit more cumbersome than it needed to be.

It's mostly for unanticipated situations - you're shooting a stationary bird and another one flies overhead. Just hold down the button, shoot overhead, then release.

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[smorgasbord]

It's mostly for unanticipated situations - you're shooting a stationary bird and another one flies overhead. Just hold down the button, shoot overhead, then release.

Except without it changing auto-focus, I'll probably get mostly out of focus shots. Because I'd be shooting a spot focus, perhaps even DMF, on the stationary bird and will want AF-C for in-flight.

 

[sherman_levine]

It's mostly for unanticipated situations - you're shooting a stationary bird and another one flies overhead. Just hold down the button, shoot overhead, then release.

Except without it changing auto-focus, I'll probably get mostly out of focus shots. Because I'd be shooting a spot focus, perhaps even DMF, on the stationary bird and will want AF-C for in-flight.

The button definition has fields which extend beyond the first page - Just keep tapping the down arrow.

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Sherm

Sherms flickr page

P950 album

P900 album RX10iv album
OM1.2 150-600 album

 

[smorgasbord]

It's mostly for unanticipated situations - you're shooting a stationary bird and another one flies overhead. Just hold down the button, shoot overhead, then release.

Except without it changing auto-focus, I'll probably get mostly out of focus shots. Because I'd be shooting a spot focus, perhaps even DMF, on the stationary bird and will want AF-C for in-flight.

The button definition has fields which extend beyond the first page - Just keep tapping the down arrow.

Yes, I'm aware of that, but no page contains anything that will switch from DMF to AF-C. That appears to me to be only from the AF dial on the front left.

I did notice that as part of recalling a setting is that "Reset EV Comp." is available to override or maintain any EV comp you set via the menu setting (not the EV comp dial).

I think the next exploration for me will be to dive into the "Reg Cust Shoot Set." At first glance, it appears that one can actually set the Focus Mode regardless of the AF dial on the front!

 

[sherman_levine]

It's mostly for unanticipated situations - you're shooting a stationary bird and another one flies overhead. Just hold down the button, shoot overhead, then release.

Except without it changing auto-focus, I'll probably get mostly out of focus shots. Because I'd be shooting a spot focus, perhaps even DMF, on the stationary bird and will want AF-C for in-flight.

The button definition has fields which extend beyond the first page - Just keep tapping the down arrow.

Yes, I'm aware of that, but no page contains anything that will switch from DMF to AF-C. That appears to me to be only from the AF dial on the front left.

I did notice that as part of recalling a setting is that "Reset EV Comp." is available to override or maintain any EV comp you set via the menu setting (not the EV comp dial).

I think the next exploration for me will be to dive into the "Reg Cust Shoot Set." At first glance, it appears that one can actually set the Focus Mode regardless of the AF dial on the front!

Right. That's what I was describing. "Cust Shoot Set" refers to the setting combinations which are temporary (while the button is pushed) and can override physical switches. You can create up to three of them, and (separately) assign each set to a button.

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Sherm

Sherms flickr page

P950 album

P900 album RX10iv album
OM1.2 150-600 album

 

[smorgasbord]

I think the next exploration for me will be to dive into the "Reg Cust Shoot Set." At first glance, it appears that one can actually set the Focus Mode regardless of the AF dial on the front!

Right. That's what I was describing. "Cust Shoot Set" refers to the setting combinations which are temporary (while the button is pushed) and can override physical switches. You can create up to three of them, and (separately) assign each set to a button.

I thought we were discussing how the Memory Recalls when applied to a custom button are temporary (in effect only while button depressed), while the Memory Recalls from the "MR" Shooting Mode are held after the selection is made, at least until the Shooting Dial is moved off of the "MR" selection.

The Custom Shooting Sets are different than the Memory Recalls in a few ways, the primary one being that they only cover:

• Shoot Mode
• Shutter Speed
• Drive Mode
• Exposure Comp
• ISO
• Metering Mode
• Focus Mode
• Focus Area
• AF On

while Memory Recalls affect a ton of Settings (but not all) in the Menu.

Another difference is that with Custom Shooting Set you can choose which of that short list above are changed when applied, and which are inherited from your current settings, while Memory Recall recalls all of them all the time.

Yet another difference is that that Memory Recall cannot change Focus Mode whereas a Custom Shooting Set can.

 

[smorgasbord]

BTW, Mark Galen has a few older videos that mostly apply to the RX10M4 as well, even though it's not a camera he covers.

Here's the one on Memory; the Reg Custom Shoot Set starts at 8 minutes in

 

[sherman_levine]

I think the next exploration for me will be to dive into the "Reg Cust Shoot Set." At first glance, it appears that one can actually set the Focus Mode regardless of the AF dial on the front!

Right. That's what I was describing. "Cust Shoot Set" refers to the setting combinations which are temporary (while the button is pushed) and can override physical switches. You can create up to three of them, and (separately) assign each set to a button.

I thought we were discussing how the Memory Recalls when applied to a custom button are temporary (in effect only while button depressed), while the Memory Recalls from the "MR" Shooting Mode are held after the selection is made, at least until the Shooting Dial is moved off of the "MR" selection.



The Custom Shooting Sets are different than the Memory Recalls in

a few ways, the primary one being that they only cover:

• Shoot Mode
• Shutter Speed
• Drive Mode
• Exposure Comp
• ISO
• Metering Mode
• Focus Mode
• Focus Area
• AF On

while Memory Recalls affect a ton of Settings (but not all) in the Menu.

Another difference is that with Custom Shooting Set you can choose which of that short list above are changed when applied, and which are inherited from your current settings, while Memory Recall recalls all of them all the time.

Yet another difference is that that Memory Recall cannot change Focus Mode whereas a Custom Shooting Set can.

If you're planning to use the C1 and C2 buttons for Custom Shooting Set, you might find adding a shutter button such as https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07D8WRHX6 useful.

With the button mounted (no O-Ring) I can press C1 and C2 with my index finder and use the side of my third finger for the shutter.

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Sherm

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